Mother of Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone'

[Conservative65]

So much for the love you said you have for her.

Arguing with her on how her son died the same day he died? Who would that serve? She's not in her right mind. She wouldn't accept the evidence. As she's working on pure emotion.

When she's had some time to process it, to work through some of the grief.....she'll likely come to the truth on her own. If she doesn't, we'll guide her there.

Again, expecting a grieving mother to act as if she's not grieving is unrealistic.

It doesn't have to be argumentative.

Expecting an adult to act like an adult isn't unrealistic

When the standards of 'adult' are rationality and logic......yes it is unrealistic when they've just lost a child.

Grieving people aren't in their right mind. You're expecting them to act as if they are. That's not how it works.

The standard for being an adult is being able to act that way even when things don't work in your favor.

Losing a child isn't losing a job or not getting the pony you wanted for your birthday. Its about as significant a loss as we people can endure. Its unnatural in the intensity of its grief, as we're not meant to bury children. But parents.

It will literally drive a rational person more than a little crazy for weeks at a time. And I don't mean that metaphorically. They aren't well. They don't respond like sane people. The grief is that intense, that unrelenting.

And having witnessed it twice for weeks at a time, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Or blame anyone for stupid gaffes or acts of denial while in its grips.

I expect people to act as adults.

You're expecting grieving parents not to act like grieving parents. And that's unrealistic.

I've witnessed just the opposite in similar situations. You make it out as if every situation is the same.

 

[Tilly]

Who goes out in a suicide belt if they don't mean to kill anybody?
Who goes out in a suicide belt because they are 'stressed'?
Good God, I've heard it all now.

 

[Neser Boha]

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Do you know what being in shock is like? Do you know what empathy is? Can you ever put yourself in the shoes of another person? Have you ever read about family members of serial killers that had absolutely no inkling about their family member doing such unspeakable acts?

This all seems to be way over your head ...

 

[pwjohn]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Mother of Paris bomber says her son did 'not mean to kill anyone'

nov 17 2015 The mother of a Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone' - and claims he may have blown himself up because of stress, while a third son said his family were 'thinking of the victims'.

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31, launched a solo attack outside the cafe Comptoir Voltaire, close to the scene of the Bataclan concert hall massacre on Friday night.

Today Ibrahim's mother suggested his suicide jacket may have gone off by accident and said he could have carried out the attack because he was 'stressed'.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

I hope the idiots that give her a pass aren't arguing that she didn't have any idea how bad of a person he really was.

That goofball mother knows way more than you think. Unfortunately, knowing it, and proving it, are two entirely different things..

 

[pwjohn]

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Do you know what being in shock is like? Do you know what empathy is? Can you ever put yourself in the shoes of another person? Have you ever read about family members of serial killers that had absolutely no inkling about their family member doing such unspeakable acts?

This all seems to be way over your head ...

You're comparing apples to oranges. Serial killers are nothing at all like arab muslim terrorists. A whole different animal. A better comparison might be gang bangers in Chicago, or Philadelphia. Baltimore and so on.

 

[Conservative65]

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Do you know what being in shock is like? Do you know what empathy is? Can you ever put yourself in the shoes of another person? Have you ever read about family members of serial killers that had absolutely no inkling about their family member doing such unspeakable acts?

This all seems to be way over your head ...

Your statement of "they had absolutely no inkling . . " reminds me of something that happened several years ago when I was coaching youth league ball. A mother showed up during the middle of practice one day. She stormed onto the field an went straight to her son. She was crawling his ass about something. Being the coach, I felt the need to find out what was happening. Apparently, this boy had been vandalizing mailboxes in the neighborhood AGAIN based on what I heard the mother say. Seems the police had been to the house just prior to her coming to the practice field. I heard enough of the conversation to gather that the boy had and emphasized again above because it wasn't the first time it had happened. I heard her say "I told you what was going to happen the next time YOU GOT CAUGHT doing this". Sounds to me as if her problem wasn't with him doing it but the police came by.

 

[Neser Boha]

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Do you know what being in shock is like? Do you know what empathy is? Can you ever put yourself in the shoes of another person? Have you ever read about family members of serial killers that had absolutely no inkling about their family member doing such unspeakable acts?

This all seems to be way over your head ...

You're comparing apples to oranges. Serial killers are nothing at all like arab muslim terrorists. A whole different animal. A better comparison might be gang bangers in Chicago, or Philadelphia. Baltimore and so on.

I'm not comparing terrorists with serial killers. Go back and re read what I reacted to ...

 

[Neser Boha]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Mother of Paris bomber says her son did 'not mean to kill anyone'

nov 17 2015 The mother of a Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone' - and claims he may have blown himself up because of stress, while a third son said his family were 'thinking of the victims'.

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31, launched a solo attack outside the cafe Comptoir Voltaire, close to the scene of the Bataclan concert hall massacre on Friday night.

Today Ibrahim's mother suggested his suicide jacket may have gone off by accident and said he could have carried out the attack because he was 'stressed'.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

I hope the idiots that give her a pass aren't arguing that she didn't have any idea how bad of a person he really was.

That goofball mother knows way more than you think. Unfortunately, knowing it, and proving it, are two entirely different things..

You can't make such a claim. You have no idea.

 

[Neser Boha]

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Do you know what being in shock is like? Do you know what empathy is? Can you ever put yourself in the shoes of another person? Have you ever read about family members of serial killers that had absolutely no inkling about their family member doing such unspeakable acts?

This all seems to be way over your head ...

Your statement of "they had absolutely no inkling . . " reminds me of something that happened several years ago when I was coaching youth league ball. A mother showed up during the middle of practice one day. She stormed onto the field an went straight to her son. She was crawling his ass about something. Being the coach, I felt the need to find out what was happening. Apparently, this boy had been vandalizing mailboxes in the neighborhood AGAIN based on what I heard the mother say. Seems the police had been to the house just prior to her coming to the practice field. I heard enough of the conversation to gather that the boy had and emphasized again above because it wasn't the first time it had happened. I heard her say "I told you what was going to happen the next time YOU GOT CAUGHT doing this". Sounds to me as if her problem wasn't with him doing it but the police came by.

Ok, so just because one mother knew, they all automatically do? Ain't that a bit of a stretch?

 

[Conservative65]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

I hope the idiots that give her a pass aren't arguing that she didn't have any idea how bad of a person he really was.

That goofball mother knows way more than you think. Unfortunately, knowing it, and proving it, are two entirely different things..

You can't make such a claim. You have no idea.

If she didn't, she's a dumbass.

 

[Conservative65]

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Do you know what being in shock is like? Do you know what empathy is? Can you ever put yourself in the shoes of another person? Have you ever read about family members of serial killers that had absolutely no inkling about their family member doing such unspeakable acts?

This all seems to be way over your head ...

Your statement of "they had absolutely no inkling . . " reminds me of something that happened several years ago when I was coaching youth league ball. A mother showed up during the middle of practice one day. She stormed onto the field an went straight to her son. She was crawling his ass about something. Being the coach, I felt the need to find out what was happening. Apparently, this boy had been vandalizing mailboxes in the neighborhood AGAIN based on what I heard the mother say. Seems the police had been to the house just prior to her coming to the practice field. I heard enough of the conversation to gather that the boy had and emphasized again above because it wasn't the first time it had happened. I heard her say "I told you what was going to happen the next time YOU GOT CAUGHT doing this". Sounds to me as if her problem wasn't with him doing it but the police came by.

Ok, so just because one mother knew, they all automatically do? Ain't that a bit of a stretch?

I didn't say it was automatic. I said what you seem to think can't happen can.

 

[Neser Boha]

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

I hope the idiots that give her a pass aren't arguing that she didn't have any idea how bad of a person he really was.

That goofball mother knows way more than you think. Unfortunately, knowing it, and proving it, are two entirely different things..

You can't make such a claim. You have no idea.

If she didn't, she's a dumbass.

Well, there are tons of dumbasses around the world. And yes, she *might* be one of them. There are also lots of very good liars and pretenders that would have anyone fooled ...

 

[Tilly]

I wonder why the fact her murdering son went to war torn Syria didn't make her a teensy weensy bit 'suspicious'?

 

[Conservative65]

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

I hope the idiots that give her a pass aren't arguing that she didn't have any idea how bad of a person he really was.

That goofball mother knows way more than you think. Unfortunately, knowing it, and proving it, are two entirely different things..

You can't make such a claim. You have no idea.

If she didn't, she's a dumbass.

Well, there are tons of dumbasses around the world. And yes, she *might* be one of them. There are also lots of very good liars and pretenders that would have anyone fooled ...

Since the intensity for the belief it would take for someone to what this person did couldn't be hidden that well. I'll stick with her being a dumbass.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Mother of Paris bomber says her son did 'not mean to kill anyone'

nov 17 2015 The mother of a Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone' - and claims he may have blown himself up because of stress, while a third son said his family were 'thinking of the victims'.

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31, launched a solo attack outside the cafe Comptoir Voltaire, close to the scene of the Bataclan concert hall massacre on Friday night.

Today Ibrahim's mother suggested his suicide jacket may have gone off by accident and said he could have carried out the attack because he was 'stressed'.

"It is not upon the parents’ souls that their child is rightly guided. This is because ultimately, the heart if the child is the child’s own and outside the parents’ control.

Allah says to his Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him): “Surely you cannot guide whom you love, but Allah guides whom He pleases.” [Sûrah al-Qasus: 56]

Nevertheless, as responsible parents, they have to exert their utmost efforts to teach their child and raise that child upon righteousness. After that, the matter of the child’s guidance is up to Allah.

If the parents exerted their efforts in raising the child and teaching the child right from wrong, then they have fulfilled their obligation. Their reward is with Allah even if their child chooses misguidance.

They will not be punished for what their child decides of his or her own free will. Allah says: “No soul shall bear the burdens of another.” [Sûrah al-An`âm: 164]

Had parents any power over their children’s will, the son of Prophet Noah (peace be upon him) would not have been misguided, and the father of Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) would not have been misguided either.

It should be noted that if the parents were negligent in their efforts and did not achieve the desired result, then they will be held accounted for their negligence.

And Allah knows best."
Parents not responsible for the sins of their grown children | IslamToday - English

I'd argue then parents of terrorists were negligent in raising their kids right and should bear the punishment for their terrorist children's actions.

 

[BULLDOG]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Mother of Paris bomber says her son did 'not mean to kill anyone'

nov 17 2015 The mother of a Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone' - and claims he may have blown himself up because of stress, while a third son said his family were 'thinking of the victims'.

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31, launched a solo attack outside the cafe Comptoir Voltaire, close to the scene of the Bataclan concert hall massacre on Friday night.

Today Ibrahim's mother suggested his suicide jacket may have gone off by accident and said he could have carried out the attack because he was 'stressed'.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

Which part of the article led you to believe that? I read the article twice, and can't find that.

 

[Conservative65]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Mother of Paris bomber says her son did 'not mean to kill anyone'

nov 17 2015 The mother of a Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone' - and claims he may have blown himself up because of stress, while a third son said his family were 'thinking of the victims'.

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31, launched a solo attack outside the cafe Comptoir Voltaire, close to the scene of the Bataclan concert hall massacre on Friday night.

Today Ibrahim's mother suggested his suicide jacket may have gone off by accident and said he could have carried out the attack because he was 'stressed'.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

Which part of the article led you to believe that? I read the article twice, and can't find that.

Or don't want to believe it is more likely on your part.

 

[BULLDOG]

White christians look at kids that way but not muslims or minorities. To them kids are just objects to be molested or a way to boost their welfare check.

I really hope your kids one day get to read everything you wrote on here so that they can proceed to never ever speak to you again ... gross.

I've comforted two moms through the loss of their child. Its a brutal, cruel process that involves unmanageable periods of naked grief. Worse, my cousin was killed last night. In a few hours I'll be heading up the hill to offer the same time and consideration for my aunt.

And I won't hold any stupid shit she might say against her. She just lost her oldest son.

Sorry about your cousin.

Did your cousin die as a result of strapping a bomb to his back? It makes a difference.

Not in terms of irrationality, denial and predictable grief for the mother and siblings he left behind.

Grieving is hard. Especially for a child. And its usually unmanageable for a while. As Paint said, this woman probably isn't in her right mind. And frankly, shouldn't be. She just lost her son.

That her son is a mass murderer only makes it worse. As she has both the shock of his death and the horrible acts he committed to deal with. Denial is pretty predictable, at least in the short term.

And thanks about my cousin. It doesn't effect me personally, as we weren't that close. But its going to hollow out my aunt. And we are close.

It does make a difference. If you cousin died due to no action of his own, it's expected. This woman's son died because of his own stupid actions and she wants to make excuses for him.

As a volunteer at the local fire department in my community, I run lots of traffic accidents. I can't count the number of times I've seen drunk drivers wrap themselves and their car around a tree killing them While it's my responsibility to lessen the situation and incident control, I don't feel sorry for any of them. As for their family that had nothing to do with it, sympathy is extended to the point that they start making excuses.

Cold hearted.

Maybe you missed the part about how the only person that was killed was the DRUNK DRIVER. If the person CHOOSES to drive drunk, it's their fault.[/QUOTE]


Of course a drunk driver is responsible for what happens to himself. That's not what you said. You said if a grieving family member tried to come up with some excuse you had no sympathy for their loss. Again, that's cold hearted.

 

[BULLDOG]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Mother of Paris bomber says her son did 'not mean to kill anyone'

nov 17 2015 The mother of a Paris suicide bomber says her son 'did not mean to kill anyone' - and claims he may have blown himself up because of stress, while a third son said his family were 'thinking of the victims'.

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31, launched a solo attack outside the cafe Comptoir Voltaire, close to the scene of the Bataclan concert hall massacre on Friday night.

Today Ibrahim's mother suggested his suicide jacket may have gone off by accident and said he could have carried out the attack because he was 'stressed'.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

Which part of the article led you to believe that? I read the article twice, and can't find that.

Or don't want to believe it is more likely on your part.

That's why I asked. If you can't point out why you believe that, then obviously the reason is because you want to.

 

[Conservative65]

Are there any intelligent muslims in this world.? Hang them all.

Of course she said that. She is a mother whose child just died. Very few mothers are capable of seeing their children as anything but basically good people no matter how terrible they really are.

This particular mother is probably a fan of terrorism. If the article is accurate, statements made by her suggests that she is familiar with both terrorist tactics and the weapons they rely on during an attack

Which part of the article led you to believe that? I read the article twice, and can't find that.

Or don't want to believe it is more likely on your part.

That's why I asked. If you can't point out why you believe that, then obviously the reason is because you want to.

The person stated that statements by her suggests she was familiar. You said you read it twice and couldn't find it. Obviously you don't find it because you don't want to.