MW advocates - what are the downsides of minimum wage?

[hadit]

Prove ANY of your claims about the "harm" of raising the minimum wage/ It's been raised many times and none of your claims have happened.

What are my claims that you find so objectionable? Quote them for discussion.

 

[danielpalos]

People for the most part are exactly where they want to be.

Have you ever MET anyone who made minimum wage?

They WANT to be in that position?

How's the air on your planet?

Of course, me. I made MW once upon a time but made sure I didn't stay there. I was glad for a fairly low MW because I was able to get a job and keep it pretty much because I showed up on time and had a good attitude. Had it been the equivalent of $15/hr, it would have been harder to get any job at all because I would have been competing with guys who had a lot more experience.

There is lower unemployment with a higher minimum wage.

Prove that, minus all other factors, raising the MW increases employment. And slogans are not evidence.

San Francisco and Seattle have lower unemployment rates.

 

[danielpalos]

Prove ANY of your claims about the "harm" of raising the minimum wage/ It's been raised many times and none of your claims have happened.

What are my claims that you find so objectionable? Quote them for discussion.

your inflation canard is getting tiresome. nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

 

[hadit]

People for the most part are exactly where they want to be.

Have you ever MET anyone who made minimum wage?

They WANT to be in that position?

How's the air on your planet?

Of course, me. I made MW once upon a time but made sure I didn't stay there. I was glad for a fairly low MW because I was able to get a job and keep it pretty much because I showed up on time and had a good attitude. Had it been the equivalent of $15/hr, it would have been harder to get any job at all because I would have been competing with guys who had a lot more experience.

There is lower unemployment with a higher minimum wage.

Prove that, minus all other factors, raising the MW increases employment. And slogans are not evidence.

San Francisco and Seattle have lower unemployment rates.

I said minus all other factors. Do you really not think there might be other factors involved in those cities?

 

[hadit]

Prove ANY of your claims about the "harm" of raising the minimum wage/ It's been raised many times and none of your claims have happened.

What are my claims that you find so objectionable? Quote them for discussion.

your inflation canard is getting tiresome. nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

I wasn't talking to you, unless you're a sock. Either way, I'm not talking to you now.

 

[danielpalos]

Have you ever MET anyone who made minimum wage?

They WANT to be in that position?

How's the air on your planet?

Of course, me. I made MW once upon a time but made sure I didn't stay there. I was glad for a fairly low MW because I was able to get a job and keep it pretty much because I showed up on time and had a good attitude. Had it been the equivalent of $15/hr, it would have been harder to get any job at all because I would have been competing with guys who had a lot more experience.

There is lower unemployment with a higher minimum wage.

Prove that, minus all other factors, raising the MW increases employment. And slogans are not evidence.

San Francisco and Seattle have lower unemployment rates.

I said minus all other factors. Do you really not think there might be other factors involved in those cities?

besides the higher minimum wage?

capitalism works.

 

[hadit]

Of course, me. I made MW once upon a time but made sure I didn't stay there. I was glad for a fairly low MW because I was able to get a job and keep it pretty much because I showed up on time and had a good attitude. Had it been the equivalent of $15/hr, it would have been harder to get any job at all because I would have been competing with guys who had a lot more experience.

There is lower unemployment with a higher minimum wage.

Prove that, minus all other factors, raising the MW increases employment. And slogans are not evidence.

San Francisco and Seattle have lower unemployment rates.

I said minus all other factors. Do you really not think there might be other factors involved in those cities?

besides the higher minimum wage?

capitalism works.

Try them both being wealthy cities with a high cost of living and the higher MW being a result of that, not a driver. Your slogans are not getting the job done.

 

[dblack]

79 pages of lies and excuses saying basically.."Fuck the Poor" and everyone else who works for wages

How very "conservative"

I realize you want to frame it that way, but that's really not my perspective at all. I've been poor. I could be again. I just don't like BS politics, regardless of which party is slinging it.

 

[Skull Pilot]

People for the most part are exactly where they want to be.

Have you ever MET anyone who made minimum wage?

They WANT to be in that position?

How's the air on your planet?

I worked for MW in high school and within 6 months was making a dollar more an hour.

3% of the workforce makes the federal MW so I really don't see why your panties are in a twist here.

But I'll say it again

If you are stuffing burgers in a bag for MW for years on end then yes you WANT to be there

 

[Lesh]

And what if you're working in a fish plant gutting fish with a sharp knife all day for minimum wage.

Gonna guarantee a raise in six months?

You don't know and don't care?

Oh...

 

[dblack]

3% of the workforce makes the federal MW so I really don't see why your panties are in a twist here.

If they raise the minimum wage to $15/hr, over 40% will be making the same minimum wage. I wonder how they think that will play out?

 

[Mac1958]

3% of the workforce makes the federal MW so I really don't see why your panties are in a twist here.

If they raise the minimum wage to $15/hr, over 40% will be making the same minimum wage. I wonder how they think that will play out?

Wage dominoes. Those above the bottom will need to have increases, too.

#4 in my list of potential problems.
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[hadit]

And what if you're working in a fish plant gutting fish with a sharp knife all day for minimum wage.

Gonna guarantee a raise in six months?

You don't know and don't care?

Oh...

There is no guarantee you'll even see tomorrow. You can come up all kinds of imagined scenarios wherein jobs pay less than you think they should, but the reality remains that you really should not expect to remain at MW for very long. If the job you're in offers no growth at all, you look around the shop to see which ones do, and get into one of them. If you're a valued employee, you'll probably have little trouble getting a better position. The point is, do not stay where you are if you're not happy there.

 

[Lesh]

Median income adjusted for inflation is lower today than it was in 1974. A staggering 40 percent of all Americans now make less than the 1968 minimum wage, adjusted for inflation. Median middle-class wealth is plummeting. It is now 36 percent below what it was in 2000.

There's something wrong with that. It needs to be addressed

 

[Lesh]

When 40% of jobs pay shit...there isn't any thing LIKE the choice available.

People take what work they can get

 

[dblack]

Median income adjusted for inflation is lower today than it was in 1974. A staggering 40 percent of all Americans now make less than the 1968 minimum wage, adjusted for inflation. Median middle-class wealth is plummeting. It is now 36 percent below what it was in 2000.

There's something wrong with that. It needs to be addressed

Ok, but do you have any ideas besides minimum wage laws? Because they won't work like you're thinking. You can't just wave a government wand and make low-wage labor worth more. The market doesn't work that way.

 

[Lesh]

Ok, but do you have any ideas besides minimum wage laws? Because they won't work like you're thinking. You can't just wave a government wand and make low-wage labor worth more. The market doesn't work that way.

You can claim whatever you want. WIthout actual evidence it has no value.

That aside...what's your "solution"? Do we even agree that it's a problem?

 

[dblack]

Ok, but do you have any ideas besides minimum wage laws? Because they won't work like you're thinking. You can't just wave a government wand and make low-wage labor worth more. The market doesn't work that way.

You can claim whatever you want. WIthout actual evidence it has no value.

That aside...what's your "solution"? Do we even agree that it's a problem?

Sure it's a problem. I pointed out some of the obstacles keeping poor people down earlier, and you dismissed them because they don't fit your narrative. If all you're after is getting rid of free markets (freedom), we're not going to find much to agree on.

 

[McRocket]

This thread is addressed to supporters of minimum wage laws. Detractors claim that minimum wage causes unemployment and/or inflation. But most supporters will vigorously deny this. Yet they seem to set their sights pretty low when it comes to setting the level of minimum wage. I assume this is because they believe there is some downside to minimum wage, some reason to not raise it to $200/hr, but it seems they never want to talk about what that reason might be. Hopefully, someone will step up here, and clear the air.

So, what are you saying? No MW AT ALL?

I am against a $15 MW. But no MW is crazy.

All the major/medium corporations/businesses could get together and set their own MW at like $3/hr.. And what could anyone do about it? If they are ALL in cahoots - you could not use economic boycott to force them to raise it.
Lots of seniors depend on that extra income. So now they would not have enough. So are they supposed to starve?

No...you have to have a remotely reasonable MW BUT having it as a 'living wage' is also ridiculous and is not in either the Constitution or the UN Charter.

$9.50/hr with yearly increases for inflation seems fair to me.

BTW, I say $9.50 because if the present $7.25 had been raised each year with inflation after it began...today it would be about $9.50.

 

[Skull Pilot]

And what if you're working in a fish plant gutting fish with a sharp knife all day for minimum wage.

Gonna guarantee a raise in six months?

You don't know and don't care?

Oh...

I don't care.

And no raise is guaranteed you have to EARN IT.

And what's stopping the fish gutter from looking for another job or bucking for a promotion at the job he has?

I'll give you the answer because I don't think you're smart enough to come up with it your self.

NOTHING.