Nancy Pelosi says, "Quit your job we'll provide healthcare."

[Nova78]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VmL37TcBtpY]Nancy Pelosi says, "Quit your job we'll provide healthcare." - YouTube[/ame]
You do not have to be job locked

 

[eflatminor]

The big government assholes from both parties created the incredibly stupid idea that healthcare should be tied to ones employer...then propose to fix the problems that causes by more big government 'solutions'.

It never ends. Central planners ALWAYS believe they know what's best, even if they caused the problem they're propose to fix.

 

[Pete7469]

I wish she'd quit her job.

 

[RoadVirus]

Is she dispensing more advice that she got from a 5 year old?

 

[Redfish]

Pelosi is mentally incompetent, she should be placed in an institution for the mentally ill.

are the people of SFO really so stupid that they keep electing this moron???

 

[Star]

The big government assholes from both parties created the incredibly stupid idea that healthcare should be tied to ones employer...then propose to fix the problems that causes by more big government 'solutions'.

It never ends. Central planners ALWAYS believe they know what's best, even if they caused the problem they're propose to fix.

Nope, there wasn't any central government plan for employer based health insurance but-----but as employer based insurance evolved, government gave employer based health insurance a tax advantage leading to employer based health insurance becoming the preferred method.


The Baylor hospital started looking for a way to get regular folks in Dallas to pay for health care the same way they paid for lipstick — a tiny bit each month. Hospital officials started small, offering a deal to a group of public school teachers in Dallas. They offered a plan for the teachers to pay 50 cents each month in exchange for Baylor picking up the tab on hospital visits.

When the Great Depression hit, almost every hospital in the country saw its patient load disappear. The Baylor idea became hugely popular. It eventually got a name: Blue Cross.

"When I actually started studying this stuff, I got interested because I wondered why we have an employer-based system," Thomasson says. "It comes right out of Blue Cross." The genius of that approach, she says, was marketing it to groups of workers.

The Modern System Is Born

Soon, Blue Cross coverage was available in almost every state, though not many people bought in. The modern system of getting benefits through a job required another catalyst: World War II. Thomasson says that if the Great Depression inadvertently inspired the spread of employer-based health insurance, World War II accidentally spread the idea everywhere.

"The war economy is an entirely different ballgame," Thomasson says. The government rationed goods even as factories ramped up production and needed to attract workers. Factory owners needed a way to lure employees. She explains that the owners turned to fringe benefits, offering more and more generous health plans.

The next big step in the evolution of health care was also an accident. In 1943, the Internal Revenue Service ruled that employer-based health care should be tax free. A second law, in 1954, made the tax advantages even more attractive.

Thomasson cites the huge impact of those measures on plan participation. "You start from 9 percent of the population in 1940 to 63 percent in 1953," she says. "Everybody starts getting in on it. It just grows by gangbusters. By the 1960s, 70 percent [of the population] is covered by some kind of private, voluntary health insurance plan."

Thus employer-based insurance, which started with Blue Cross selling coverage to Texas teachers and spread because of government price controls and tax breaks, became our system. By the mid-1960s, Thomasson says, Americans started to see that system — in which people with good jobs get health care through work and almost everyone else looks to government — as if it were the natural order of things.

But to Thomasson and other economic historians, there's nothing natural or inevitable about it. Instead, they see it as the profound result of historical accidents.

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[R.C. Christian]

She probably made that statement flying home to commie land in her own personal 747!

 

[Immanuel]

Well, let's see, she has provided healthcare for everyone who prefers to sit around and drink beer all day long on the porch. Thanks to food stamps, they have their food provided already. They've got Obamaphone. Hell, all they need now is free internet and housing and life's essentials will be covered! I think I have read they were working on the free internet.

God Bless Us All and provide Nancy Pelosi with the desire to retire immediately.

Immie

 

[Stephanie]

ah yes, they should quit their jobs and get into living the LIFE OF A JULIA...cradle to grave living off the BACKS OF YOUR FELLOW TAXPAYERS...and they try and say these
Democrats aren't SOCIALIST...they know once they hook you all into government dependence they can RUN EVERYTHING IN YOUR PATHETIC LIVES...they are snakes that smile at you before they bite you...Unfortunately they seem to be winning and we are losing more and more of our freedoms every day because of it


SNIP:
Published on May 14, 2012


The Obama campaign released an interactive piece called "Julia", a cradle-to-grave chronology of all the wonderful things Obama's expanded government will do for women from birth until death. It's a celebration of a how a woman can live her entire life by leaning on government intervention, dependency and other people's money rather than her own initiative or hard work.

[ame=http://youtu.be/ig2KmRI-S4A]Obama's 'Julia' Cradle-to-Grave - YouTube[/ame]

 

[The Rabbi]

Pelosi is mentally incompetent, she should be placed in an institution for the mentally ill.

are the people of SFO really so stupid that they keep electing this moron???

Yes.

 

[francoHFW]

Yup, O-care will give people all kinds of new choices in life, including getting off welfare to get jobs with health care. Sorry, hater dupes, for freedom, fairness, progress, and intelligence.

 

[boedicca]

Nope, there wasn't any central government plan for employer based health insurance but-----but as employer based insurance evolved, government gave employer based health insurance a tax advantage leading to employer based health insurance becoming the preferred method.

Your lack of knowledge of history continues to impress.

The reason we have employer provided health insurance is because FDR put wage controls in place during the Depression. In order to compete for skilled employees, companies started to provide fringe benefits such as health care as a way around the compensation ceilings.

And the entire mess has snowballed ever since.

 

[ScienceRocks]

This isn't a good economic plan...

A good economic plan would be more education, jobs training followed by 1. Infrastructure, 2. manufacturing, 3. science and 4. tech jobs.

 

[Stephanie]

Yup, O-care will give people all kinds of new choices in life, including getting off welfare to get jobs with health care. Sorry, hater dupes, for freedom, fairness, progress, and intelligence.

yeah right, off the backs of others from welfare right back onto their back with ObamaTax..

you want to see a lying hater Socialist dupe, look in a mirror

 

[francoHFW]

btw, everything you know about O-care is total Pubcrappe. LOL

 

[boedicca]

btw, everything you know about O-care is total Pubcrappe. LOL

Here Frankie, have another cup:

 

[Stephanie]

btw, everything you know about O-care is total Pubcrappe. LOL

no, it's the lying Socialist Progressive crap about O-tax that is what you and Democrats is what you wished them to know, just like the wonderful life OF JULIA

 

[francoHFW]

This isn't a good economic plan...

A good economic plan would be more education, jobs training followed by 1. Infrastructure, 2. manufacturing, 3. science and 4. tech jobs.

All blocked by Pubs- good to hear you're a Dem.

 

[francoHFW]

Yup, O-care will give people all kinds of new choices in life, including getting off welfare to get jobs with health care. Sorry, hater dupes, for freedom, fairness, progress, and intelligence.

yeah right, off the backs of others from welfare right back onto their back with ObamaTax..

you want to see a lying hater Socialist dupe, look in a mirror

WTF is Obamatax, brainwashed shyttehead...HINT- doesn't exist.

 

[Stephanie]

Yup, O-care will give people all kinds of new choices in life, including getting off welfare to get jobs with health care. Sorry, hater dupes, for freedom, fairness, progress, and intelligence.

yeah right, off the backs of others from welfare right back onto their back with ObamaTax..

you want to see a lying hater Socialist dupe, look in a mirror

WTF is Obamatax, brainwashed shyttehead...HINT- doesn't exist.

they didn't inform of all the NEW taxes COMING the peoples way...or you just wanted to keep PEOPLE UNINFORMED of it

SNIP:
Comprehensive List of Tax Hikes in Obamacare

Obamacare will tax everyone, even those earning under $250,000 a year.


Next week, the U.S. House of Representatives will be voting on an historic repeal of the Obamacare law. While there are many reasons to oppose this flawed government health insurance law, it is important to remember that Obamacare is also one of the largest tax increases in American history. Below is a comprehensive list of the two dozen new or higher taxes that pay for Obamcare’s expansion of government spending and interference between doctors and patients.

Individual Mandate Excise Tax(Jan 2014): Starting in 2014, anyone not buying “qualifying” health insurance must pay an income surtax according to the higher of the following




1 Adult

2 Adults

3+ Adults


2014

1% AGI/$95

1% AGI/$190

1% AGI/$285


2015

2% AGI/$325

2% AGI/$650

2% AGI/$975


2016 +

2.5% AGI/$695

2.5% AGI/$1390

2.5% AGI/$2085



Exemptions for religious objectors, undocumented immigrants, prisoners, those earning less than the poverty line, members of Indian tribes, and hardship cases (determined by HHS)

Employer Mandate Tax(Jan 2014): If an employer does not offer health coverage, and at least one employee qualifies for a health tax credit, the employer must pay an additional non-deductible tax of $2000 for all full-time employees. This provision applies to all employers with 50 or more employees. If any employee actually receives coverage through the exchange, the penalty on the employer for that employee rises to $3000. If the employer requires a waiting period to enroll in coverage of 30-60 days, there is a $400 tax per employee ($600 if the period is 60 days or longer).

Combined score of individual and employer mandate tax penalty: $65 billion/10 years

Surtax on Investment Income ($123 billion/Jan. 2013): This increase involves the creation of a new, 3.8 percent surtax on investment income earned in households making at least $250,000 ($200,000 single). This would result in the following top tax rates on investment income




Capital Gains

Dividends

Other*


2010-2012

15%

15%

35%


2013+ (current law)

23.8%

43.4%

43.4%


2013+ (Obama budget)

23.8%

23.8%

43.4%


*Other unearned income includes (for surtax purposes) gross income from interest, annuities, royalties, net rents, and passive income in partnerships and Subchapter-S corporations. It does not include municipal bond interest or life insurance proceeds, since those do not add to gross income. It does not include active trade or business income, fair market value sales of ownership in pass-through entities, or distributions from retirement plans. The 3.8% surtax does not apply to non-resident aliens.

Excise Tax on Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans($32 bil/Jan 2018): Starting in 2018, new 40 percent excise tax on “Cadillac” health insurance plans ($10,200 single/$27,500 family). For early retirees and high-risk professions exists a higher threshold ($11,500 single/$29,450 family). CPI +1 percentage point indexed.

Hike in Medicare Payroll Tax($86.8 bil/Jan 2013): Current law and changes:




First $200,000
($250,000 Married)
Employer/Employee

All Remaining Wages
Employer/Employee


Current Law

1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed


Obamacare Tax Hike

1.45%/1.45%
2.9% self-employed

1.45%/2.35%
3.8% self-employed



Medicine Cabinet Tax($5 bil/Jan 2011): Americans no longer able to use health savings account (HSA), flexible spending account (FSA), or health reimbursement (HRA) pre-tax dollars to purchase non-prescription, over-the-counter medicines (except insulin)

HSA Withdrawal Tax Hike($1.4 bil/Jan 2011): Increases additional tax on non-medical early withdrawals from an HSA from 10 to 20 percent, disadvantaging them relative to IRAs and other tax-advantaged accounts, which remain at 10 percent.

Flexible Spending Account Cap – aka“Special Needs Kids Tax”($13 bil/Jan 2013): Imposes cap of $2500 (Indexed to inflation after 2013) on FSAs (now unlimited). . There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C. (National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.

Tax on Medical Device Manufacturers($20 bil/Jan 2013): Medical device manufacturers employ 360,000 people in 6000 plants across the country. This law imposes a new 2.3% excise tax. Exemptions include items retailing for less than $100.

Raise "Haircut" for Medical Itemized Deduction from 7.5% to 10% of AGI($15.2 bil/Jan 2013): Currently, those facing high medical expenses are allowed a deduction for medical expenses to the extent that those expenses exceed 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). The new provision imposes a threshold of 10 percent of AGI; it is waived for 65+ taxpayers in 2013-2016 only.

Tax on Indoor Tanning Services($2.7 billion/July 1, 2010): New 10 percent excise tax on Americans using indoor tanning salons

Elimination of tax deduction for employer-provided retirement Rx drug coverage in coordination with Medicare Part D($4.5 bil/Jan 2013)

Blue Cross/Blue Shield Tax Hike($0.4 bil/Jan 2010): The special tax deduction in current law for Blue Cross/Blue Shield companies would only be allowed if 85 percent or more of premium revenues are spent on clinical services

Excise Tax on Charitable Hospitals(Min$/immediate): $50,000 per hospital if they fail to meet new "community health assessment needs," "financial assistance," and "billing and collection" rules set by HHS

Tax on Innovator Drug Companies($22.2 bil/Jan 2010): $2.3 billion annual tax on the industry imposed relative to share of sales made that year.

Tax on Health Insurers($60.1 bil/Jan 2014): Annual tax on the industry imposed relative to health insurance premiums collected that year. The stipulation phases in gradually until 2018, and is fully-imposed on firms with $50 million in profits.

$500,000 Annual Executive Compensation Limit for Health Insurance Executives($0.6 bil/Jan 2013)

Employer Reporting of Insurance on W-2(Min$/Jan 2011): Preamble to taxing health benefits on individual tax returns.

Corporate 1099-MISC Information Reporting($17.1 bil/Jan 2012): Requires businesses to send 1099-MISC information tax forms to corporations (currently limited to individuals), a huge compliance burden for small employers

“Black liquor” tax hike(Tax hike of $23.6 billion). This is a tax increase on a type of bio-fuel.

Codification of the “economic substance doctrine”(Tax hike of $4.5 billion). This provision allows the IRS to disallow completely-legal tax deductions and other legal tax-minimizing plans just because the IRS deems that the action lacks “substance” and is merely intended to reduce taxes owed.


Read more: Americans for Tax Reform : Comprehensive List of Tax Hikes in Obamacare
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