Nathan Bedford Forrest statue causing controversy

[bripat9643]

Constitutional sanction does not (1) make slavery morally acceptable, or (2) prevent slavery from being condemned. As one pro-abolition editor opined, the Constitution was a pact with the devil, until slavery was abolished.

It does make it legal and there is a legislative process.

So...why didn't the South take that process?

You mean, why didn't the North take that process?

 

[bodecea]

during the War Between The States (which is the correct official name for the conflict).

You mean the American Civil War.

I think you both are trying to refer to the War of Northern Aggression and Conquest.

Who shot first?

 

[bodecea]

We were the ones in charge, little one, and your ancestors bowed before mine during and after the Civil War.

So you're an advocate of the "might makes right" school of ethics?

No...we are advocates of the "Don't Start something you can't finish...and then whine about it when you get your butt beat" school of ethics.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You are also welcome to leave my ONE nation.

But for how much longer will it remain united?

Centuries. The few crazy fools on this thread still smarting from the Civil War represent nothing but a tiny, infantile, irrelevant minority.

Lol, yeah, God is going to guide us through the night with a light from above, lololol..

Dude, in 1900 there were many major empires across the globe: Manchus of China, Russia, France, UK, Germany, Italy, the US, Spain, Ethiopia and Portugal.

The only two 'empires' that still have held all their disparate ethnic groups together so far are the Chinese and the US, and forces of factionalism are at work in both countries.

I am sure that the general public in Russia, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Ethiopia and Portugal ten years prior to their dissolution would have said, just like you did, that a break up their nations empires was just the delusions of a 'tiny, infantile, irrelevant minority' as well.

Tidal forces of change can destroy anything if the people leading the nation, state, or other entity are a bunch of ignorant fools full of hubris, who think it cant happen this time around.

When they say it cant happen here this time, you can damn sure bet it most certainly will.

 

[JimBowie1958]

We were the ones in charge, little one, and your ancestors bowed before mine during and after the Civil War.

So you're an advocate of the "might makes right" school of ethics?

No...we are advocates of the "Don't Start something you can't finish...and then whine about it when you get your butt beat" school of ethics.

You mean like at Fredericksburg, Chancelorville, Bull Run 1 and 2?

You mean like when a nation that has ten times as many people took four years, massive casualties and deaths, nabbing immigrants for reinforcements right off the boat, blowing enormous sums of public treasure and still barely were able to win so barely in fact that they literally wept with joy when their opponnent finally surrendered?

That kind of butt beat?

ROFLMAO.

 

[JimBowie1958]

You mean the American Civil War.

I think you both are trying to refer to the War of Northern Aggression and Conquest.

Who shot first?

John Brown.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Yes it did...but the South decided, when Lincoln was elected to withdraw from the U.S. (and its laws)...and then fired on a U.S. installation. They put themselves beyond the law...and then attacked the U.S. It amazes me the # of Southerners who expected the President of the United States to just roll over and take an armed attack on U.S. property. Do they feel the same way today about any attack on U.S. property?

Lol, you apparently dont know jack shit about the way the war started.

By your theory what is the explanation for the Southern states to have seceded in three seperate groups? First the Deep South left, then Texas, and then the middle tier states; why is that?

 

[American Horse]

[...]

You mean bigots like Lincoln who wouldnt touch the skin of a black man, [...]

That kind of bigot?

I had for some time looked upon myself as a man, but now in this multitude of the elite of the land, I felt myself a man among men. I regret to be obliged to say, however, that this comfortable assurance was not of long duration, for on reaching the door, two policemen stationed there took me rudely by the arm and ordered me to stand back, for their directions were to admit no persons of my color. The reader need not be told that this was a disagreeable setback. But once in the battle, I did not think it well to submit to repulse.

I told the officers I was...sure there must be some mistake, for no such order could have emanated from President Lincoln; and if he knew I was at the door he would desire my admission. They then – to put an end to the parley, as I suppose, for we were obstructing the doorway and were not easily pushed aside – assumed an air of politeness, and offered to conduct me in. We followed their lead, and soon found ourselves walking some planks out of a window, which had been arranged as a temporary passage for the exit of visitors. We halted so soon as we saw the trick, and I said to the officers: “You have deceived me. I shall not go out of this building till I see President Lincoln.” At this moment a gentleman who was passing in, recognized me, and I said to him: ‘Be so kind as to say to Mr. Lincoln that Frederick Douglass is detained by officers at the door.”

It was not long before Mrs. Dorsey and I walked into the spacious East Room, amid a scene of elegance such as in this country I had never witnessed before. Like a mountain pine high above all others, Mr. Lincoln stood, in his grand simplicity, and homelike beauty. Recognizing me, even before I reached him, he exclaimed, so that all around could hear him, ‘Here comes my friend Douglass.’ Taking me by the hand, he said, “I am glad to see you.I saw you in the crowd today, listening to my inaugural address; how did you like it?” I said, “Mr. Lincoln, I must not detain you with my poor opinion, when there are thousands waiting to shake hands with you.” “No, no,” he said, “you must stop a little, Douglass; there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it.” I replied, “Mr. Lincoln, that was a sacred effort.” “I am glad you liked it!” he said, and I passed on, feeling that any man, however distinguished, might well regard himself honored by such expressions, from such a man.”

It came out that the officers at the White House had received no orders from Mr. Lincoln, or from anyone else. They were simply complying with an old custom, the outgrowth of slavery, as dogs will sometimes rub their necks, long after their collars are removed, thinking they are still there. My colored friends were well pleased with what had seemed to them a doubtful experiment, and I believe were encouraged by its success to follow my example. I have found in my experience that the way to break down an unreasonable custom is to contradict it in practice.

David W. Blight, Frederick Douglass’ Civil War: Keeping Faith in Jubilee
(Louisiana State University Press, 1999)

 

[bripat9643]

I ask...how could anyone in the South support Lincoln's ideas when no Southern state allowed him on the ballot....and censored any anti- slavery material....it was against the law in the South to have a copy of Uncle Toms Cabin...the were standing arrest orders for people like the Grimke sisters and Sojourner Truth.

That's bullshit. Lincoln didn't even try to get on the ballot in the Southern states. That doesn't mean he wasn't allowed on the ballot.

Your claims about Uncle Toms Cabin are obvious bullshit. Since many Southern authors wrote criticisms of the book. How could they do that if it was illegal for them to posses
a copy?

In short, you're totally full of shit. Like all bloodthirsty carpetbagger whores, everything you know about the Civil War is a myth inspired by Yankee propaganda.

 

[bripat9643]

Btw...the Dred Scott decision blew ALL compromises out of the water.

How do you figure?

 

[JimBowie1958]

[...]

You mean bigots like Lincoln who wouldnt touch the skin of a black man, [...]

That kind of bigot?

I had for some time looked upon myself as a man, but now in this multitude of the elite of the land, I felt myself a man among men. I regret to be obliged to say, however, that this comfortable assurance was not of long duration, for on reaching the door, two policemen stationed there took me rudely by the arm and ordered me to stand back, for their directions were to admit no persons of my color. The reader need not be told that this was a disagreeable setback. But once in the battle, I did not think it well to submit to repulse.

I told the officers I was...sure there must be some mistake, for no such order could have emanated from President Lincoln; and if he knew I was at the door he would desire my admission. They then – to put an end to the parley, as I suppose, for we were obstructing the doorway and were not easily pushed aside – assumed an air of politeness, and offered to conduct me in. We followed their lead, and soon found ourselves walking some planks out of a window, which had been arranged as a temporary passage for the exit of visitors. We halted so soon as we saw the trick, and I said to the officers: “You have deceived me. I shall not go out of this building till I see President Lincoln.” At this moment a gentleman who was passing in, recognized me, and I said to him: ‘Be so kind as to say to Mr. Lincoln that Frederick Douglass is detained by officers at the door.”

It was not long before Mrs. Dorsey and I walked into the spacious East Room, amid a scene of elegance such as in this country I had never witnessed before. Like a mountain pine high above all others, Mr. Lincoln stood, in his grand simplicity, and homelike beauty. Recognizing me, even before I reached him, he exclaimed, so that all around could hear him, ‘Here comes my friend Douglass.’ Taking me by the hand, he said, “I am glad to see you.I saw you in the crowd today, listening to my inaugural address; how did you like it?” I said, “Mr. Lincoln, I must not detain you with my poor opinion, when there are thousands waiting to shake hands with you.” “No, no,” he said, “you must stop a little, Douglass; there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it.” I replied, “Mr. Lincoln, that was a sacred effort.” “I am glad you liked it!” he said, and I passed on, feeling that any man, however distinguished, might well regard himself honored by such expressions, from such a man.”

David W. Blight, Frederick Douglass’ Civil War: Keeping Faith in Jubilee
(Louisiana State University Press, 1999)

Yeah, Douglass was apparently one of the black people that Lincoln did not want to deport to the ex-slave colony of Liberia.

Lincoln was OK with blacks as long as they stayed in 'their place'.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yep, got your southern sorry asses whipped and dominated politically and economically by the North and West until WWII.

All your whining changes nothing.

So you're an advocate of the "might makes right" school of ethics?

No...we are advocates of the "Don't Start something you can't finish...and then whine about it when you get your butt beat" school of ethics.

You mean like at Fredericksburg, Chancelorville, Bull Run 1 and 2?

You mean like when a nation that has ten times as many people took four years, massive casualties and deaths, nabbing immigrants for reinforcements right off the boat, blowing enormous sums of public treasure and still barely were able to win so barely in fact that they literally wept with joy when their opponnent finally surrendered?

That kind of butt beat?

ROFLMAO.

 

[bripat9643]

We follow the Constitution today because the North won.

Some Americans are going to go southern-stupid again, I suspect, and will pay the full price of the law.

We don't follow the Constitution, and the war itself was unconstitutional. What "law" will they pay the price of? Where is it written that a state can't secede?

 

[American Horse]

[...]

You mean bigots like Lincoln who wouldnt touch the skin of a black man, [...]

That kind of bigot?

I had for some time looked upon myself as a man, but now in this multitude of the elite of the land, I felt myself a man among men. I regret to be obliged to say, however, that this comfortable assurance was not of long duration, for on reaching the door, two policemen stationed there took me rudely by the arm and ordered me to stand back, for their directions were to admit no persons of my color. The reader need not be told that this was a disagreeable setback. But once in the battle, I did not think it well to submit to repulse.

I told the officers I was...sure there must be some mistake, for no such order could have emanated from President Lincoln; and if he knew I was at the door he would desire my admission. They then – to put an end to the parley, as I suppose, for we were obstructing the doorway and were not easily pushed aside – assumed an air of politeness, and offered to conduct me in. We followed their lead, and soon found ourselves walking some planks out of a window, which had been arranged as a temporary passage for the exit of visitors. We halted so soon as we saw the trick, and I said to the officers: “You have deceived me. I shall not go out of this building till I see President Lincoln.” At this moment a gentleman who was passing in, recognized me, and I said to him: ‘Be so kind as to say to Mr. Lincoln that Frederick Douglass is detained by officers at the door.”

It was not long before Mrs. Dorsey and I walked into the spacious East Room, amid a scene of elegance such as in this country I had never witnessed before. Like a mountain pine high above all others, Mr. Lincoln stood, in his grand simplicity, and homelike beauty. Recognizing me, even before I reached him, he exclaimed, so that all around could hear him, ‘Here comes my friend Douglass.’ Taking me by the hand, he said, “I am glad to see you.I saw you in the crowd today, listening to my inaugural address; how did you like it?” I said, “Mr. Lincoln, I must not detain you with my poor opinion, when there are thousands waiting to shake hands with you.” “No, no,” he said, “you must stop a little, Douglass; there is no man in the country whose opinion I value more than yours. I want to know what you think of it.” I replied, “Mr. Lincoln, that was a sacred effort.” “I am glad you liked it!” he said, and I passed on, feeling that any man, however distinguished, might well regard himself honored by such expressions, from such a man.”

David W. Blight, Frederick Douglass’ Civil War: Keeping Faith in Jubilee
(Louisiana State University Press, 1999)

Yeah, Douglass was apparently one of the black people that Lincoln did not want to deport to the ex-slave colony of Liberia.

Lincoln was OK with blacks as long as they stayed in 'their place'.

I've read considerably from primary sources on Lincoln's life and never come across any source which supports your notion. Can you provide one?

 

[JakeStarkey]

blahpat9643 goes blah blah blah, but sayings blah.

We follow the Constitution today because the North won.

Some Americans are going to go southern-stupid again, I suspect, and will pay the full price of the law.

We don't follow the Constitution, and the war itself was unconstitutional. What "law" will they pay the price of? Where is it written that a state can't secede?

 

[GuyPinestra]

Yep, got your southern sorry asses whipped and dominated politically and economically by the North and West until WWII.

All your whining changes nothing.

No...we are advocates of the "Don't Start something you can't finish...and then whine about it when you get your butt beat" school of ethics.

You mean like at Fredericksburg, Chancelorville, Bull Run 1 and 2?

You mean like when a nation that has ten times as many people took four years, massive casualties and deaths, nabbing immigrants for reinforcements right off the boat, blowing enormous sums of public treasure and still barely were able to win so barely in fact that they literally wept with joy when their opponnent finally surrendered?

That kind of butt beat?

ROFLMAO.

It's words like these that keep the scab ripped open and the pus still flowing from the infected wound.

You have gotten 'Asshole' down to an art form.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, JimBowie cannot provide any such incident or experience.

 

[bripat9643]

You are more than welcome to document such, but I have yet to have view a credible work that builds an overwhelming colossal brutalization of blacks by Northern troops.

Please provide such a bibliography if you have one.

PoP's<br><b> War Crimes Against Southern Soldiers & Civilians</b>: Yankee Atrocities Against Blacks

The following is a small sample of the atrocities committed by Northern troops against black Southerners during the War of Northern Aggression.

Northern Missouri: On August 13, 1861, Secretary of War Simon Cameron received a letter containing information about United States military forces "committing rapes on the negroes."54

Athens, Alabama: The court-martial record of Lincoln's buddy Turchin dated May 2, 1862, contains information about an attempt to commit "an indecent outrage" on a servant girl. It also notes that a part of the brigade, "quarter[ed] in the negro huts for weeks, debauching the females."55

Woodville, Alabama: The activities of the Third Ohio Cavalry in August of 1862 included this entry: "negro women are debauched." 56

Memphis, Tennessee: The Yankee soldiers had been fed a steady diet of lies about so-called slave breeding plantations and the familiarity of Southern male slave owners with their female slaves. The reality of a black race with high moral standards was incomprehensible to the Yankee invader. Therefore the Yankee ordered much of his conduct to match his preconceived notions of the accepted social relationships down South. This can be seen in this report from Memphis on April 7, 1864: "The [white] cavalry broke en masse in the camps of the colored women and are committing all sorts of outrage."57 General Rufus A. Saxton sent a report to Secretary of War Edwin Stanton on December 30, 1864, in which he described the attitude of the Yankee soldiers: "I found the prejudice of color and race here in full force, and the general feeling of the army of occupation was unfriendly to the blacks. It was manifested in various forms of personal insult and abuse, in depredations on their plantations, stealing and destroying their crops and domestic animals, and robbing them of their money.... The women were held as the legitimate prey of lust...."59

Bayou Grande Cailou, Louisiana: The Sixteenth Indiana Mounted Infantry sent invaders into a civilian area which resulted in the following account: "Mr. Pelton . . . reported that a soldier had shot and killed a little girl and had fired at a negro man on his plantation. I . . . proceeded to the place, where I found a mulatto girl, about twelve or thirteen years old, lying dead in a field. I learned from the negro man . . . that the girl had been shot by a drunken soldier, who had first fired at one of the men ... [who] had witnessed the killing...."59 On November 20, Gen. Robert A. Cameron reported, "I heard by rumor ... one of [Capt. Columbus Moore's] men had attempted to rape a mulatto girl and had shot and killed her for resisting."60

Augusta, Georgia: "The colored citizens wander around at all hours of the night, and many in consequence have been robbed and abused by scoundrels dressed as United States soldiers.... The conduct of the Fourth Iowa Cavalry . . . was such as reflects disgrace on both officers and men.... Firing so as to cause a colored woman to lose her arm; likewise committing robberies."61

Covington, Tennessee:Late in 1862, a campaign was conducted in the vicinity of Covington that produced the following official report: ". . . some of the men [of the Second Illinois Cavalry] behaved more like brigands than soldiers. They robbed an old negro man....

Robertsville, South Carolina: The Yankee did not distinguish between white or black Southerner nor between free black or slave when he released the dogs of war upon our Southern homeland. On January 31, 1865, the following report was issued: "The indiscriminate pillage of houses is disgraceful.... houses in this vicinity, of free negroes even, have been stripped . . . shocking to humanity."63

Hilton Head, South Carolina: Politically correct Yankee propagandists masquerading as historians are quick to boast of the large numbers of Southern blacks who fought for the North during the war. They are also quick to dismiss the contribution to the Confederate war effort made by black Southerners, giving the excuse that Southern blacks were forced to serve the Confederacy. Little attention has been given to the forced conscription of blacks into the service of the United States during the War for Southern Independence. On May 12, 1862, the following report was sent to the United States Secretary of the Treasury concerning the forced induction of black Southerners: "This has been a sad day on these islands.... Some 500 men were ... carried to Hilton Head.... The negroes were sad.... Sometimes whole plantations, learning what was going on, ran off to the woods for refuge. Others, with no means of escape, submitted passively.... This mode of [conscription] is repugnant."64 The next day's report included this comment: "The colored people became suspicious of the presence of the companies of soldiers.... They [the blacks] were taken from the fields without being allowed to go to their houses even to get a jacket.... On some plantations the wailing and screaming were loud and the women threw themselves in despair on the ground. On some plantations the people took to the woods and were hunted up by the soldiers...." 5 A letter about this incident written to the Federal agent stated, "This conscription, . . . has created a suspicion that the Government has not the interest in the negroes that it has professed, and many of them sighed yesterday for the 'old fetters' as being better than the new liberty."66 Old fetters of slavery better than the new liberty of Yankee dominion-what a sad commentary. No wonder Northern propagandists work so hard to keep these facts from becoming public knowledge.

Nashville, Tennessee: "Officers in command of colored troops are in constant habit of pressing all able-bodied slaves into the military service of the United States."67 Notice the complaint is that officers are in "constant habit," not just given to an occasional infraction.

Augusta, Georgia: "The colored citizens wander around at all hours of the night, and many in consequence have been robbed and abused by scoundrels dressed as United States soldiers.... The conduct of the Fourth Iowa Cavalry . . . was such as reflects disgrace on both officers and men.... Firing so as to cause a colored woman to lose her arm; likewise committing robberies."61

Covington, Tennessee:Late in 1862, a campaign was conducted in the vicinity of Covington that produced the following official report: ". . . some of the men [of the Second Illinois Cavalry] behaved more like brigands than soldiers. They robbed an old negro man....

Robertsville, South Carolina: The Yankee did not distinguish between white or black Southerner nor between free black or slave when he released the dogs of war upon our Southern homeland. On January 31, 1865, the following report was issued: "The indiscriminate pillage of houses is disgraceful.... houses in this vicinity, of free negroes even, have been stripped . . . shocking to humanity."63

Hilton Head, South Carolina: Politically correct Yankee propagandists masquerading as historians are quick to boast of the large numbers of Southern blacks who fought for the North during the war. They are also quick to dismiss the contribution to the Confederate war effort made by black Southerners, giving the excuse that Southern blacks were forced to serve the Confederacy. Little attention has been given to the forced conscription of blacks into the service of the United States during the War for Southern Independence. On May 12, 1862, the following report was sent to the United States Secretary of the Treasury concerning the forced induction of black Southerners: "This has been a sad day on these islands.... Some 500 men were ... carried to Hilton Head.... The negroes were sad.... Sometimes whole plantations, learning what was going on, ran off to the woods for refuge. Others, with no means of escape, submitted passively.... This mode of [conscription] is repugnant."64 The next day's report included this comment: "The colored people became suspicious of the presence of the companies of soldiers.... They [the blacks] were taken from the fields without being allowed to go to their houses even to get a jacket.... On some plantations the wailing and screaming were loud and the women threw themselves in despair on the ground. On some plantations the people took to the woods and were hunted up by the soldiers...." 5 A letter about this incident written to the Federal agent stated, "This conscription, . . . has created a suspicion that the Government has not the interest in the negroes that it has professed, and many of them sighed yesterday for the 'old fetters' as being better than the new liberty."66 Old fetters of slavery better than the new liberty of Yankee dominion-what a sad commentary. No wonder Northern propagandists work so hard to keep these facts from becoming public knowledge.

Nashville, Tennessee: "Officers in command of colored troops are in constant habit of pressing all able-bodied slaves into the military service of the United States."67 Notice the complaint is that officers are in "constant habit," not just given to an occasional infraction.

Huntsville, Alabama: General Ulysses Grant received a communiqué on February 26, 1864, informing him that, "A major of colored troops is here with his party capturing negroes, with or without their consent.... They are being conscripted."68 Notice that the term used is "capturing negroes," not enlisting or drafting them.

New Bern, North Carolina: On September 1, 1864, Gen. Innis N. Palmer reported to Gen. Benjamin F. Butler about the difficulty he was having convincing Southern blacks to help in the fight for their liberation. He stated: "The negroes will not go voluntarily, so I am obliged to force them.... The matter of collecting the colored men for laborers has been one of some difficulty but I hope to send up a respectable force.... They will not go willingly.... They must be forced to go.... this may be considered a harsh measure, but . . . we must not stop at trifles"69 What is it called when someone forces another human being to labor against his will-sounds like slavery to us but the Yankees called it "trifles."

Beaulort, South Carolina: General Rufus A. Saxton made the following report to Secretary of War Stanton on December 30 1864: "The recruiting [of former slaves] went on slowly, when the major-general commanding ordered an indiscriminate conscription of every able-bodied colored man in the department. . . . The order spread universal confusion and terror. The negroes fled to the woods and swamps.... They were hunted.... Men have been seized and forced to enlist who had large families.... Three boys, one only fourteen years of age, were seized in a field where they were at work and sent to a regiment . . . without the knowledge of their parents...."70 What happened to the bleeding-heart Abolitionist, crying about black families being broken up and sold to different masters and about children being forcefully separated from their parents? Evidently, such high moral standards were not allowed to stand in the way of the expanding Yankee empire!

Louisville, Kentucky: Major General Innis N. Palmer on February 27, 1865, issued General Order Number 5 confirming the generally accepted theory of the laws pertaining to the enlistment of civilians for military services in an occupied country:

"Officers charged with recruiting colored troops are informed that the use of force or menaces to compel the enlistment of colored men is both unlawful and disgraceful."71

Fort Jackson, Louisiana: On December 9, 1863, a United States officer at Fort Jackson became angry with two black drummers and fell upon them, beating them with a mule whip. The black soldiers were forced to stand in formation and watch as the white officer mercilessly flogged the young drummers. When the formation was dismissed, the black men, all Union soldiers, rushed the fort's armory, seized their weapons, and with cries of "kill all the damn yankees" began to fire their weapons into the air. Two companies of black Union soldiers joined in and a general revolt against Yankee racial bigotry was underway. With great effort, the white officers persuaded the black solders to end their revolt and return to their quarters.72

Craney Island, Virginia: Both black and white Southerners were needlessly subjected to the terror of starvation by terrorist acts of United States troops. From Virginia we find one of many examples of the sufferings borne by black Southerners: ". . . the colored people . . . have been forced to remain all night on the wharf without shelter and without food; . . . one has died, and . . . others are suffering with disease, and . . . your men have turned them out of their houses, which they have built themselves, and have robbed some of them of their money and personal effects."73 This communiqué was sent on November 26, 1862. Some Yankee apologists have claimed that the horror against civilians occurred only after many years of bitter war- though we are curious to know how many years of war are necessary to justify any amount of cruel and inhumane conduct against innocent civilians?

Bisland, Louisiana: During the invasion of Cajun Louisiana, the Yankee targeted slaves as part of the loot to be acquired. "Contraband" was a term used to denote slaves enticed or forced away from their masters' plantations. These poor people very often would end up serving in the Federal army or working on a government plantation. When the Confederate forces recaptured the area around Bisland, Louisiana, they discovered the pathetic condition in which these former slaves were forced to live while enjoying the charity of the United States government. One account states that two thousand of these people perished as a result of following, or being forced to follow, the Federal army in retreat. In view of the shallow graves in which many had been hastily placed, the comment was made, "They have found their freedom." The horror of a local sugar house has been described by at least two separate eyewitnesses who were either Confederate soldiers or masters searching for their former slaves. The small house was filled with dead or dying Negroes. Some were "being eaten by worms before life was extinct." The roads "were lined with Negroes half starved, almost destitute of clothing, sick and unable to help themselves; the only question of the poor wretches, who had been two months experiencing Federal sympathy and charity, was the inquiry if their master was coming after them." The Federal army, in spite of its abundance, did not provide for these people. When their fellow Southerners discovered short on every necessity. With their fellow Southerners discovering their plight, the Confederate army, short on every necessity, assigned transportation and such food and medicine as it had at its disposal to the salvation of these poor, suffering people. Let it be remembered that it was the compassion of their fellow Southerners and the assistance of the Confederate army that saved the lives of these black Southerners.74

 

[bripat9643]

You got it backwards, OODA. Failure of the South to accept the constitutional, electoral process that resulted in their defeat. Secession was neither illegal nor legal, and the force of arms decided that issue for all time.

Not for Lincoln, it didn't.

Precisely. Thus the seccession.

Federal authority failure to respect settled law = no union.

If it wasn't illegal then it was legal, you stupid twit. On the other hand, invading a state of the union was definitely illegal. The constitution defines that as treason.

 

[bripat9643]

"One atrocity does not a massive problem make."

So...you think atrocities are only minor problems? Why then all the outrage about slavery?

According to carpetbagger ethics, it's OK when Yankees rape and murder black people because they are doing it for their own good.