Nationalism vs. globalism

[toobfreak]

Globalism is really just an economic thing. If people are so worried about it they should stop buying all that Chinese made shit .

Poor Timmy, if globalism is really just an economic thing, THEN SO IS NATIONALISM! Thank You Timmy for pointing out the clear fact that Trump is just trying to do what's right for America, and he isn't a "Nazi" or "KKK." Unfortunately, putting your country first is a bit more than just your simplistic idea, but sometimes you have to buy Chinese stuff because that is all that either can be found or it is all that stores put on the shelves.

 

[Votto]

Globalism is really just an economic thing. If people are so worried about it they should stop buying all that Chinese made shit .

Poor Timmy, if globalism is really just an economic thing, THEN SO IS NATIONALISM! Thank You Timmy for pointing out the clear fact that Trump is just trying to do what's right for America, and he isn't a "Nazi" or "KKK." Unfortunately, putting your country first is a bit more than just your simplistic idea, but sometimes you have to buy Chinese stuff because that is all that either can be found or it is all that stores put on the shelves.

Trump is driving them all insane talking about national tariffs and border walls, etc.

I won't go into whether these things are good or bad, all I will say is that the conflict with the globalist narrative.

 

[koshergrl]

*Nationalism* as the nazis viewed it included a vision where the entire world was under nazi rule. Globalism likewise sees the entire world under a single rule..a marxist rule.

Well the Nazis were globalists, they just fell short of their mark in conquering the world.

Yes that's my point.

 

[FA_Q2]

We have been provided with false propaganda.

Here is what we have all been taught.

When it is more like this.

I would take issue with anarchy, however. For it is anarchy that leads to tyranny in pretty much every case.

Both are utterly incorrect. Fascism does not exist as a singular concept on the left or right - it ,can exist on either side of this particular spectrum as anarchy does as well. Anarchy is the stated goal of Marxist socialism yet also fits in with libertarian ideals as well. Clearly the above charts are totally false.

The grid is MUCH more accurate as it separates government control from economic goals. There you have true polar opposites - fascism/anarchy and socialism/free markets.

 

[Kondor3]

...If perverts bothered you so much you wouldn’t vote for Trump .

Good thing for me that I didn't then, eh?

 

[Kondor3]

...As a citizen, I will yell from the highest roof tops that sexual deviancy is not a good thing, whether it is an adulterous relationship or trying to screw the neighborhood dog. I will also plea with them to adhere to what I view as the source of all moral conduct and submit themselves to it, but I cannot and should not force them.

This is all well said...

To avoid a slide into degeneracy, however, some red lines need to be drawn in the sand, and enforced. Where to draw such lines?

 

[candycorn]

Globalism is really just an economic thing .

If people are so worried about it they should stop buying all that Chinese made shit .

No, it's a political thingy as well.

Anytime you have money involved, you have politics involved because money and power is all politicians care about.

Correct; monetary policy is made by the central banks.

 

[candycorn]

Globalism is really just an economic thing .

If people are so worried about it they should stop buying all that Chinese made shit .

There is MUCH more too it than that. Resistance to western capitalism doesn't come from their hatred of federal reserve notes with pictures of dead Presidents on them...
Their discomfort comes from
Their food being replaced with Taco Bell
Their kids dressing in Levi's and GAP clothing instead of traditional garb...
Music of locals being usurped by people like Arianna Grande.

And--to your point--you also have the natural competition that comes from the local hotel mogul having his wealth (and power that goes with it) supplanted by Marriott, the local plantation owner having his wealth (and power that goes with it) being assailed by fast food from KFC that is cheaper and easier to access. And you have the local theater chain being replaced by AMC, Cinemark, etc...

When you have financial displacement, the cultural displacement goes along with it. What is largely unseen and harder to quantify is the neighborhoods in __________ that are ripped up by developers and shopping malls take their place. On a micro scale, you see it in America (how's the song go..."Pave Paradise, put up a parking lot....".

 

[whitehall]

It's more like common sense vs hypocrites. Hard core globalists are one thing and they are few and far between but the garden variety globalists are mostly hypocrites. They appreciate a booming economy like normal people and they even hate paying taxes but they hate the president who's agenda made it possible. The same hypocrites who worship the presidency of FDR with it's off the charts nationalism are now criticizing the current president for standing during the National Anthem.

 

[beagle9]

Many believe that nationalism and globalism are natural adversaries. However, I believe that nationalism at one time was a globalist tool. It was used in the US to shift power from the states to the Federal government. However, now that power has been centralized in the US federal government via the Progressive era, nationalism ironically is now no longer a collectivist tool, rather, it is a collectivist obstacle that impedes globalism. Now the US has been centralized enough through nationalism, it is now ripe to embrace globalism. But without the first step of nationalism, globalism would have been virtually impossible for America to embrace.

It is akin to unwelcomed immigration in America in the 1600's. At first, white Europeans came over by the droves as Indians tried to fight them off. Brown colored skin was seen as inferior as Indians were seen as barbarians. These Indians were made up of decentralized tribes that gave way to a more "progressive" centralized European style governments that united America into one government. Then power shifted from the states to the federal government through the more "progressive" nationalism.

However, now that collectivists have successfully centralized power in the US, they now ready themselves for more "progressive" globalism. Now instead of favoring white colored skin over dark, they favor dark colored skin over white. Now it is the white man who is the barbarian that needs to submit to his darker skinned counterparts. Now national borders must come down as globalism takes over and as national sovereignty becomes a thing of the past for the on coming globalist government to put us all under one banner. Now it's time to destroy and overwhelm sovereign nations so that the crumbling nations can be convinced to look for a global salvation.

So as we see, racism against white colored people and dark colored people are mere tools of the globalist/collectivist., as was nationalism.

Ironically though, it is only the adversaries of such progressives that are painted as "racists" as they try to hold onto nationalism in order to fight globalism and the destruction of their national sovereignty, much like the tribal Indians who tried to fight off the European invaders. It reminds me of the saying, "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty", which is often attributed to the Nazi propaganda administer Goebbels.

So even though there are racist nationalists, just remember, not all are. In addition, these constructs were created by globalists to begin with.

Revelations is telling us or tells us alot about these things in which are written within the Bibles books on the subjects. Makes one wonder where it all is now, and how much longer the world has to go before the sequence of events we are told about in the book are to be fulfilled ??

Revelations talks about the mark and how everyone will need to have it in order to buy and sell.

That sounds like a centralized global system to me.

Sadly, it is not that far fetched. Having a world government mark us would be ideal and something they long to do and we have the technology to do it. In fact, many are doing it right now for various reasons.

Think of it. If this mark was used to identify you and track you and to use as a credit card, then it would solve a whole slew of problems, such as missing persons, running from the law, cheating on taxes, filing taxes, using it as a health data base so that when you find someone unconscious you just scan their information and you know all about them and how to treat them, etc.

There is no doubt about it. Marking people would be highly efficient and probably be promoted once the world economic system fails.

Just looking at government spending around the globe, it's almost as if they are wanting this to happen sooner than latter.

The problem however, and why it is a bad thing in my understanding, is because if we have a world promoting evil at the top, and it uses the mark as a way to destroy those who are good over time, then such a mark would identify those who are good, and then slate them for destruction eventually.

 

[beagle9]

It's more like common sense vs hypocrites. Hard core globalists are one thing and they are few and far between but the garden variety globalists are mostly hypocrites. They appreciate a booming economy like normal people and they even hate paying taxes but they hate the president who's agenda made it possible. The same hypocrites who worship the presidency of FDR with it's off the charts nationalism are now criticizing the current president for standing during the National Anthem.

And that's because it's evil verses good as well as common sense verses hipocrites.

 

[Votto]

We have been provided with false propaganda.

Here is what we have all been taught.

When it is more like this.

I would take issue with anarchy, however. For it is anarchy that leads to tyranny in pretty much every case.

How is the far right “total freedom” ? That’s a joke .

Take gay marriage . You have to admit that being able to marry any gender is more freedom that being able to only marry the opposite gender . Yet the far right is against gay marriage.

And the "far Left" is against polygamy.

So who the hell cares?

 

[harmonica]

Speaking of racism as a globalist construct, this article about Lebron comes to mind.

Analysis | LeBron James ‘would never sit across from’ Donald Trump, who he says is using sports to sow division

So basically globalists/Left wingers are free to do anything despicable that they want. However, if anyone calls them out on it, that person becomes divisive or a racist.

Case in point, NFL players who kneel for a national anthem. Naturally, people view this as disrespecting the flag and nation, something that can be seen as despicable. However, once Trump calls them out on it, all of a sudden he is the racist divisive one.

Well it if racist when you hate people for protesting police brutality against minorities. Are you for police brutality?

1. there is not a major, chronic problem of police brutality--I've been through this many times in other threads
2. you don't have the right to protest on your job
3. people don't pay $$$$ for political crap at a sports game--they pay to watch sports and you should complain if you are not getting what you paid for
4. it's NOT racist.....same thing if white players started giving the nazi/etc salute and people called them out
5. it's NOT hate
6. it IS stupid/nonsensical to make the police bad guys and jackass, resisting CRIMINALS the good guys
etc

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Indeed, I've said before that the Capitalist elite used racism as a pretext to enslave Blacks for cheap labor profits to dehumanize them to justify it, now the Capitalist elite uses anti-racism as a pretext to hire Mexican illegals for cheap labor profits to justify their immigration.

It's all about the elites, and there goes Republicans thinking the elite need tax cuts, but Joe Smo who needs healthcare shouldn't get it, but instead should die.

Tell me something I don't know?
The Western European elite is very wicked, and the Western European masses are very stupid.

 

[Votto]

We have been provided with false propaganda.

Here is what we have all been taught.

When it is more like this.

I would take issue with anarchy, however. For it is anarchy that leads to tyranny in pretty much every case.

Both are utterly incorrect. Fascism does not exist as a singular concept on the left or right - it ,can exist on either side of this particular spectrum as anarchy does as well. Anarchy is the stated goal of Marxist socialism yet also fits in with libertarian ideals as well. Clearly the above charts are totally false.

The grid is MUCH more accurate as it separates government control from economic goals. There you have true polar opposites - fascism/anarchy and socialism/free markets.

Anarchy is a goal but only to bring a police state to subdue it.

The police state is the goal.

 

[fncceo]

Yet the far right is against gay marriage.

The 'far right' in that spectrum is Anarchy .... where the state has no concern with marriage, same-sex, polygamous, bestial, incestual, or any other way.

 

[fncceo]

The police state is the goal.

Gaol is the goal?

 

[beagle9]

We have been provided with false propaganda.

Here is what we have all been taught.

When it is more like this.

I would take issue with anarchy, however. For it is anarchy that leads to tyranny in pretty much every case.

Both are utterly incorrect. Fascism does not exist as a singular concept on the left or right - it ,can exist on either side of this particular spectrum as anarchy does as well. Anarchy is the stated goal of Marxist socialism yet also fits in with libertarian ideals as well. Clearly the above charts are totally false.

The grid is MUCH more accurate as it separates government control from economic goals. There you have true polar opposites - fascism/anarchy and socialism/free markets.

Anarchy is a goal but only to bring a police state to subdue it.

The police state is the goal.

A goal brought about by what ???????? Understanding fully that piece of the huge puzzel is key to everything we see today.

 

[Rustic]

Many believe that nationalism and globalism are natural adversaries. However, I believe that nationalism at one time was a globalist tool. It was used in the US to shift power from the states to the Federal government. However, now that power has been centralized in the US federal government via the Progressive era, nationalism ironically is now no longer a collectivist tool, rather, it is a collectivist obstacle that impedes globalism. Now the US has been centralized enough through nationalism, it is now ripe to embrace globalism. But without the first step of nationalism, globalism would have been virtually impossible for America to embrace.

It is akin to unwelcomed immigration in America in the 1600's. At first, white Europeans came over by the droves as Indians tried to fight them off. Brown colored skin was seen as inferior as Indians were seen as barbarians. These Indians were made up of decentralized tribes that gave way to a more "progressive" centralized European style governments that united America into one government. Then power shifted from the states to the federal government through the more "progressive" nationalism.

However, now that collectivists have successfully centralized power in the US, they now ready themselves for more "progressive" globalism. Now instead of favoring white colored skin over dark, they favor dark colored skin over white. Now it is the white man who is the barbarian that needs to submit to his darker skinned counterparts. Now national borders must come down as globalism takes over and as national sovereignty becomes a thing of the past for the on coming globalist government to put us all under one banner. Now it's time to destroy and overwhelm sovereign nations so that the crumbling nations can be convinced to look for a global salvation.

So as we see, racism against white colored people and dark colored people are mere tools of the globalist/collectivist., as was nationalism.

Ironically though, it is only the adversaries of such progressives that are painted as "racists" as they try to hold onto nationalism in order to fight globalism and the destruction of their national sovereignty, much like the tribal Indians who tried to fight off the European invaders. It reminds me of the saying, "accuse the other side of that which you are guilty", which is often attributed to the Nazi propaganda administer Goebbels.

So even though there are racist nationalists, just remember, not all are. In addition, these constructs were created by globalists to begin with.

The only thing worse than nationalism... is globalism...

 

[fncceo]

Capitalist elite used racism as a pretext to enslave Blacks for cheap labor profits to dehumanize them to justify it, now the Capitalist elite uses anti-racism as a pretext to hire Mexican illegals for cheap labor profits to justify their immigration.

I have never enslaved, de-humanized, or exploited any person for profit.

Mostly, I just do it for kicks.