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Oh and where were the tribal leaders just a few years ago? Who's paying them to protest?
thats an excellent jpg. It shows one of the main aquifers in the midwest/west. If that aquifier gets compromised/polluted, its game over ESPECIALLY for farmers AND ranchers like bundy
has it ever occurred to you that the Canadians will decide to scrap the tarsands extractionIt costs more to refine because its sand content & it costs more to ship because of its location. Let the Chinese get their oil from somewhere else.
has it ever occurred to you that the Canadians will decide to scrap the tarsands extraction
That doesn't matter. It's more important to pretend to care more than anyone else. This kind of hysteria has kept the US from being energy independent in the first place. We have to defeat these morons, you cannot reason with them.Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
Don't we all agree that pipelines are safer and more economical than shipping crude oil by oil tanker ships? The democrat party's attitude about energy is about as incoherent as their brain damaged V.P. on his worst day. How the fuk did we ever get to the point where a US president would be stupid enough to claim that his administration would "wean Americans off fossil fuel" when the world runs on fossil fuel. Did some drug induced dream cause him to visualize a world of windmills and electric cars while the Mid-East controls energy production and the freaking real world runs on oil? Maybe the democrat agenda is really to cripple the US economy and create a monarchy.
has it ever occurred to you that the Canadians will decide to scrap the tarsands extraction
No they won't. They will still do it the way it has always been done, which is more expensive.
The oil will go international not just China.
Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
That doesn't matter. It's more important to pretend to care more than anyone else. This kind of hysteria has kept the US from being energy independent in the first place. We have to defeat these morons, you cannot reason with them.Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
You're funny 
What gives one group of people the right to rip a trench across the middle of this country. Money? To whom? For What? They say it is for jobs? Fund national parks.
For the same reasons the highway system was built,the same reasons the power grid was built,the same reasons the railroads were built.
Now ask the same question again.
What gives one group of people the right to rip a trench across the middle of this country. Money? To whom? For What? They say it is for jobs? Fund national parks.
has it ever occurred to you that the Canadians will decide to scrap the tarsands extraction
No they won't. They will still do it the way it has always been done, which is more expensive.
The oil will go international not just China.
Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
crude is different from tarsands. Had you taken the 10 seconds to read my reply to tinyd you might haved gleaned that kernal of knowledge. Partisan much?
oh! And link to all of those *cough* "facts" you just posted?
That doesn't matter. It's more important to pretend to care more than anyone else. This kind of hysteria has kept the US from being energy independent in the first place. We have to defeat these morons, you cannot reason with them.Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
Since you are apparently so well-informed on the topic, can you tell us the sum total of crudes and crude blends that will enter the entire length of the Keystone project before reaching Gulf refineries?That doesn't matter. It's more important to pretend to care more than anyone else. This kind of hysteria has kept the US from being energy independent in the first place. We have to defeat these morons, you cannot reason with them.Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
Once AGAIN .... this pipeline has Zero to do with "the US being energy independent". The product in the pipeline has nothing to do with us. It has to do with making supply lines easier for Big Oil to make its profits, which in the current lay of the land means the product ends up in Asia. The international market as a whole really, which in turn means Asia because that's where the demand is. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with US energy independence.
Get the US off its addiction to oil (the most honest thing GWB ever said in a speech) and THEN we can talk energy independence. But all this thing does is make it easier for the oil industry -- which as a for-profit business is beholden to stockholders, not countries -- to make its profits. Our part in this is to basically hold the bucket while Big Oil plays the slot machine, so that they have a handy way to carry it out of the casino.
For that, some people are pouring their passions. Which in a world of corporatocracy and its apologists, says a lot in itself.
Since you are apparently so well-informed on the topic, can you tell us the sum total of crudes and crude blends that will enter the entire length of the Keystone project before reaching Gulf refineries?That doesn't matter. It's more important to pretend to care more than anyone else. This kind of hysteria has kept the US from being energy independent in the first place. We have to defeat these morons, you cannot reason with them.
Once AGAIN .... this pipeline has Zero to do with "the US being energy independent". The product in the pipeline has nothing to do with us. It has to do with making supply lines easier for Big Oil to make its profits, which in the current lay of the land means the product ends up in Asia. The international market as a whole really, which in turn means Asia because that's where the demand is. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with US energy independence.
Get the US off its addiction to oil (the most honest thing GWB ever said in a speech) and THEN we can talk energy independence. But all this thing does is make it easier for the oil industry -- which as a for-profit business is beholden to stockholders, not countries -- to make its profits. Our part in this is to basically hold the bucket while Big Oil plays the slot machine, so that they have a handy way to carry it out of the casino.
For that, some people are pouring their passions. Which in a world of corporatocracy and its apologists, says a lot in itself.
Who are the producers of those crudes?
What percentage of Canadian-originated crudes will ultimately be exported as crude?
Same question for percentage of refined Canadian-originated crudes.
What effect on domestic U.S. production will the XL portion have?
Thanking you in advance. Some supportive links would also be appreciated.
One more line we don't need. Very fine argument you make all the same.
We don't need it why? our old and decrepit pipeline system needs upgrading,many line are 30-40-60 years old.
? Are you so out of lame excuses that counts as one now? Face it. Money is the only argument you will ever need. Until America takes back America.
Perhaps some of the Natives are afraid they will get fewer freebies from the government due to jobs being more plentiful and their being expected to get a job.
I'm part Cherokee by the way.
That doesn't matter. It's more important to pretend to care more than anyone else. This kind of hysteria has kept the US from being energy independent in the first place. We have to defeat these morons, you cannot reason with them.Did you know that thousands of miles of existing pipelines carrying crude oil and refined liquid hydrocarbons have crossed over the Ogallala Aquifer for years, in southeast Wyoming, eastern Colorado and New Mexico, western Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas and has never contaminated the aquifer?
Once AGAIN .... this pipeline has Zero to do with "the US being energy independent". The product in the pipeline has nothing to do with us. It has to do with making supply lines easier for Big Oil to make its profits, which in the current lay of the land means the product ends up in Asia. The international market as a whole really, which in turn means Asia because that's where the demand is. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with US energy independence.
Get the US off its addiction to oil (the most honest thing GWB ever said in a speech) and THEN we can talk energy independence. But all Keystone does is make it easier for the oil industry -- which as a for-profit business is beholden to stockholders, not countries -- to make its profits. Our part in this is to basically hold the bucket while Big Oil plays the slot machine, so that they have a handy way to carry it out of the casino.
For that, some people are pouring their passions. Which in a world of corporatocracy and its apologists, says a lot in itself.
Since you are apparently so well-informed on the topic, can you tell us the sum total of crudes and crude blends that will enter the entire length of the Keystone project before reaching Gulf refineries?Once AGAIN .... this pipeline has Zero to do with "the US being energy independent". The product in the pipeline has nothing to do with us. It has to do with making supply lines easier for Big Oil to make its profits, which in the current lay of the land means the product ends up in Asia. The international market as a whole really, which in turn means Asia because that's where the demand is. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with US energy independence.
Get the US off its addiction to oil (the most honest thing GWB ever said in a speech) and THEN we can talk energy independence. But all this thing does is make it easier for the oil industry -- which as a for-profit business is beholden to stockholders, not countries -- to make its profits. Our part in this is to basically hold the bucket while Big Oil plays the slot machine, so that they have a handy way to carry it out of the casino.
For that, some people are pouring their passions. Which in a world of corporatocracy and its apologists, says a lot in itself.
Who are the producers of those crudes?
What percentage of Canadian-originated crudes will ultimately be exported as crude?
Same question for percentage of refined Canadian-originated crudes.
What effect on domestic U.S. production will the XL portion have?
Thanking you in advance. Some supportive links would also be appreciated.
"How much" is irrelevant, since the point is it's not going here. What I'm describing is the pathway; the original point was that Keystone makes or helps make the US "energy independent". My post was to explain why that's not at all the case.
I'll resist answering "What effect on domestic U.S. production will the XL portion have?" unless we can define what the question means. If we mean literally the product that is produced in the US, that's one thing, but the fact that product X is made (refined) here still has no bearing at all on this country's energy supply, because production and importation are different things. The fact that a refinery is physically within the United States doesn't in any way imply that the United States is where its product is going. And that's the point. Would that it were that simple, but it's not.
So the qualified answer: US production would be affected insofar as raw material, but since refineries operate near full capacity anyway the volume would be unchanged ---- but production is not the point. Accessibility is.
But say H, IIRC you're in the industry ... can you tell us what the benefit of Keystone is, other than greasing the corporate wheels? In other words -- what's in it for us?
Since you are apparently so well-informed on the topic, can you tell us the sum total of crudes and crude blends that will enter the entire length of the Keystone project before reaching Gulf refineries?
Who are the producers of those crudes?
What percentage of Canadian-originated crudes will ultimately be exported as crude?
Same question for percentage of refined Canadian-originated crudes.
What effect on domestic U.S. production will the XL portion have?
Thanking you in advance. Some supportive links would also be appreciated.
"How much" is irrelevant, since the point is it's not going here. What I'm describing is the pathway; the original point was that Keystone makes or helps make the US "energy independent". My post was to explain why that's not at all the case.
I'll resist answering "What effect on domestic U.S. production will the XL portion have?" unless we can define what the question means. If we mean literally the product that is produced in the US, that's one thing, but the fact that product X is made (refined) here still has no bearing at all on this country's energy supply, because production and importation are different things. The fact that a refinery is physically within the United States doesn't in any way imply that the United States is where its product is going. And that's the point. Would that it were that simple, but it's not.
So the qualified answer: US production would be affected insofar as raw material, but since refineries operate near full capacity anyway the volume would be unchanged ---- but production is not the point. Accessibility is.
But say H, IIRC you're in the industry ... can you tell us what the benefit of Keystone is, other than greasing the corporate wheels? In other words -- what's in it for us?
I could tell what I understand to be fact, but with 37 years in the industry I'm just looked upon as a shill and a mouthpiece.
I won't get into tiit for tat talk (and not via tapatalk) so all I'd like to suggest to anyone is to search out many sources- even those you wouldn't view as "credible". My choices (of course) would be industry journals and publications, of which I'm an avid reader. A few:
RIGZONE, World Oil, Oil and Gas Investor, Oil and Gas Journal, American Oil and Gas Reporter (which has actually quoted me LOL), Midstream... those are some of the biggies.
Home - IPAA will give you a straight-forward view of industry issues from industry's perspective (of course).
The answers to the questions that I posited can be found among these publications.
The EIA is also a good source for what I consider pragmatic and non-partisan statistics regarding the industry.
This I know as fact- the XL portion of this project will serve as a conduit, allowing inventories of domestic crudes to reach U.S. refineries in a much more efficient fashion thereby reducing bottlenecks and bloated inventories.
And yes- this will lead to an increase in localized pricing of domestic crudes, and most likely an ultimate increase in the price of gasolines.
Butt (and that's a big butt), you should also consider that domestic crude prices (WTI), have historically lagged world crude prices (Brent) because of these bottlenecks and bloated inventories.
I know this is a bit long-winded, but I figured that I should afford you what you've afforded me... a courteous and well-thought reply.
Besides, it beats what I really want to say... FUCK YOU ASSHOLE.
