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What gives one group of people the right to rip a trench across the middle of this country. Money? To whom? For What? They say it is for jobs? Fund national parks.
The second time didn't get you any farther did it?
So far the score is even. All you say is, "Let me pump toxic waste across the width of America." I say, "Hell no!" I think my argument wins but you are welcome to keep trying.
A large majority of Americans support the construction of the controversial Keystone XL oil pipeline extension between Canada and the U.S.,*a Washington Post-ABC News poll*has found.*
About 82 percent of Republicans, 65 percent of independents and 51 percent of Democrats said they backed the project. As many as 85 percent said they believe the pipeline will create a significant number of jobs.
A State Department*report*released Jan. 31 found the pipeline will create about 2,000 construction jobs over two years, but only about 50 permanent jobs.*
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The pipeline, which must be approved by President Barack Obama, has been the source of long, fierce debate between environmental advocates and industry groups.*
Opponents say the $5.4 billion pipeline, which would carry heavy crude oil 1,200 miles from the tar sands in Alberta, Canada, to refineries in the American Midwest and Gulf Coast, would contribute to greenhouse gas emissions by enabling mining of the tar-sands, and also make communities vulnerable to oil spills.*
In the poll, 47 percent of those surveyed said Keystone would pose a significant risk to the environment.
To build a pipeline that will create a couple thousand jobs, and only for a short time, to take oil down to Texas so we can sell it to other places, is really shortsighted, Ted Fairbanks, 47, a law student in Santa Cruz, Calif., told the Post. I think we ought to start developing other renewable fuels, particularly biofuels.
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Pipeline supporters, meanwhile, have lobbied heavily for the pipeline, arguing that it would help fuel the American economy and reduce the countrys dependence on oil imported from overseas.*
Im concerned about the environment, but we also use a lot of oil and we need to transport that oil, said*Laura Dabose, 54, a retiree in Palm City, Fla.,*according to the Post. Theres an inevitability in it. Its just a matter of finding the right route, and getting people to go along with it.
The State Departments report from Jan. 31 is undergoing public and federal review. Members of the public had a 30-day period to comment, which ends 11:59 p.m. Friday; federal agencies had a 90-day period.
Shipping by rail.
Well first off someone should check a map to see that the Keystone XL goes to the Gulf of Mexico.
And while you are checking a map of North America if they take a look at the big blue thing between North America and China they will see something called the Pacific Ocean.
Now do you really think the oil producers want to go south to sell to China or go west to ship on a direct route?
Come on now. Oh and we're selling to China no matter what. And we are still selling to the US no matter what.
And I still want to know where the hell everyone was when all these pipelines were being built?
Where were the protests? This is all political theater and it is all bullshit.
One more line we don't need. Very fine argument you make all the same.
Will the Crisis in the Ukraine Result in the Keystone Pipeline being Approved? | UNI Royalties, Ltd.
The oil is coming whether you like it or not. It's coming by rail and truck.
If you want the world off oil and gas, tell you what. You first. Get off your keyboard. Go pump some water with a well pump. Knock yourself out and chop some wood and make some candles. Don't forget to feed your horse.
One more line we don't need. Very fine argument you make all the same.
Will the Crisis in the Ukraine Result in the Keystone Pipeline being Approved? | UNI Royalties, Ltd.
The oil is coming whether you like it or not. It's coming by rail and truck.
If you want the world off oil and gas, tell you what. You first. Get off your keyboard. Go pump some water with a well pump. Knock yourself out and chop some wood and make some candles. Don't forget to feed your horse.
So natural destruction is coming anyway and there is nothing I can do about it. Tell me something I don't know. At least I'm not trying to speed it up. We will probably die choking in a cloud of acidic smog any day now. Can we at least do it without ripping a trench across America in the process? No? Money talks, sucks gasp their dying breath as they fall face first into a stream of toxic waste. Keeps you from getting your shoes dirty so who gives a shit. Right?
Shipping by rail.
The oil is coming whether you like it or not. It's coming by rail and truck.
If you want the world off oil and gas, tell you what. You first. Get off your keyboard. Go pump some water with a well pump. Knock yourself out and chop some wood and make some candles. Don't forget to feed your horse.
So natural destruction is coming anyway and there is nothing I can do about it. Tell me something I don't know. At least I'm not trying to speed it up. We will probably die choking in a cloud of acidic smog any day now. Can we at least do it without ripping a trench across America in the process? No? Money talks, sucks gasp their dying breath as they fall face first into a stream of toxic waste. Keeps you from getting your shoes dirty so who gives a shit. Right?
Hysteria your middle name? yep any day now we are all DOOMED.
Pipelines are the most efficient and safe way to transport fuels,its that simple. If we let people like yourself run things we would still be chasing our food with a sharp stick.
So natural destruction is coming anyway and there is nothing I can do about it. Tell me something I don't know. At least I'm not trying to speed it up. We will probably die choking in a cloud of acidic smog any day now. Can we at least do it without ripping a trench across America in the process? No? Money talks, sucks gasp their dying breath as they fall face first into a stream of toxic waste. Keeps you from getting your shoes dirty so who gives a shit. Right?
Hysteria your middle name? yep any day now we are all DOOMED.
Pipelines are the most efficient and safe way to transport fuels,its that simple. If we let people like yourself run things we would still be chasing our food with a sharp stick.
Throughout history there have been those with foresight and there have been those who risk the survival of the society for short term gains. Which group are you in?
Hysteria your middle name? yep any day now we are all DOOMED.
Pipelines are the most efficient and safe way to transport fuels,its that simple. If we let people like yourself run things we would still be chasing our food with a sharp stick.
Throughout history there have been those with foresight and there have been those who risk the survival of the society for short term gains. Which group are you in?
I am in the reality group,that can't be said for you.
Do you own a car? do you heat your home? do you cook your food? or do you live in a cave,walk every place you go,use no electricity,or and no way shape or form of any hydrocarbon? If you can say no I use non of those,then you would get my respect,but if you like your PC and your car,then your just another typical NOT IN MY BACK YARD clowns.
which group do you fall into?
Throughout history there have been those with foresight and there have been those who risk the survival of the society for short term gains. Which group are you in?
I am in the reality group,that can't be said for you.
Do you own a car? do you heat your home? do you cook your food? or do you live in a cave,walk every place you go,use no electricity,or and no way shape or form of any hydrocarbon? If you can say no I use non of those,then you would get my respect,but if you like your PC and your car,then your just another typical NOT IN MY BACK YARD clowns.
which group do you fall into?
I turn on the lights at night. I also go out and burn tires every morning while I sip my coffee.
Why don't the Canadians build the pipeline to Vancouver? It is closer..and build refineries..
We should listen to them. they knew how to be good stewards of the land as opposed to wringing every red cent out of it for short-term profit to the monied class (the already wealthy) just so the owners can sell/export it to the primary polluters of this great planetThe communist Chinese
On National Mall, Native Americans Protest Keystone XL Pipeline | WAMU 88.5 - American University Radio
"We're trying to save our grandchildren, their grandchildren. This land is not ours. We have borrowed it from future generations," Scott said. "So we need to leave it just as we found it, or as close as we could."
EVEN tinyd can't argue w/ that
Well first off someone should check a map to see that the Keystone XL goes to the Gulf of Mexico.
And while you are checking a map of North America if they take a look at the big blue thing between North America and China they will see something called the Pacific Ocean.
Now do you really think the oil producers want to go south to sell to China or go west to ship on a direct route?
Come on now. Oh and we're selling to China no matter what. And we are still selling to the US no matter what.
And I still want to know where the hell everyone was when all these pipelines were being built?
Where were the protests? This is all political theater and it is all bullshit.
As to the other pipelines, I would wager that most of the ones in the US are NOT tarsands.Haisla, Nak'azdli, Carrier Sekani among nations saying pipeline project threatens their way of life
Oh and where were the tribal leaders just a few years ago? Who's paying them to protest?
It costs more to refine because its sand content & it costs more to ship because of its location. Let the Chinese get their oil from somewhere else.