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[sealybobo]

Also a good villain. His flying karate kick to Wally's face



But seriously, Bowen is top five defensive perimeter player of all-time. He was a revolutionary force. Wing defensive players weren't such a valued commodity before him.

Bowen is top 5 but he wasnt revolutionary. Pippen was revolutionary and thats why Bowen was valued. Everyone wanted a Pippen clone.

I miss the great D. Bad boys spurs bulls. They rarely scored over 100. Today teams score over 100 too much. No great D's. Miami wasn't great at D. Was Kobe's Lakers or Dirk's mavs good defensive teams?

Are the Warriors or clippers or atlant or cavs great defensive teams? Remember how "dirty" the bad boys were? Loved it.

Remember someone always fouled out of a game or at least came close? I dont see that anymore.

Stern changed the rules specifically for Jordan (or he never would have gotten those three peats). The Bad Boys and early 90's Knicks teams were bad ass.

Can't believe Ewing never won a ring. Or Reggie miller,.morning,. Barkley, Carl Malone, Gary Payton.

I know mourning won but he was a bench player then with shaq and wade.

Jordan ruined a lot of legacies and I dont think stern gave the bulls all those rings. It would have done the ratings good if Jordan had a rival.

Its not a rivalry if Jordan wins every time.

Agreed; except Payton did get a cheapie with the Heat. I think in a fairly officiated league, most or all of those players would have gotten rings. But MJ was a ratings blitz for the league and they had every incentive to cater to him and keep the rings rolling in. People forget that there were a lot of teams that were just better than those Bulls teams that won in those 90's. Six rings defied logic/math. Stern was always aiding and abetting. Only the Jordan jockers deny that.

Though, a quick note on Barkley; he could've won rings had he committed more to fitness. In 92, it is widely acknowledged that Barkley was the most dominant force on the Dream Team.

Now I'm rooting for Atlanta v warriors but if what you say is true it will be cave v warriors. Curry v Lebron

I say the league needs a rivalry so no incentive to stop curry from spanking lebron like dirk and Duncan did.

I dont see the incentive to give mj 3 in a row 2 times. It got really old. The best would have been Utah wins the rematch and mj wins the 3rd meeting.

If what you say is true magic would have always beat Larry. Lol. But Larry was good for bringing in white viewers.

I think you are a mj hater.

I asked my 13 year old if he knew how good pippen was and he said "he'll always live in mj's shadow. Told you so. From the mouths of babes.

 

[Asclepias]

Yea with magic worthy and Kareem or with Kobe and shaq.

God magic was great though. Showtime.

Magic was the Bob Gibson of basketball.

Magic made me start playing basketball. I owe him alot.

I was a great assist point guard. Wasn't a great shot so took a lot of pride in setting people up. I owe it to magic. He made assists cool. Being the fascillitator. Actually a couple years ago I played a pick up game. Me and 4 13 year olds vs 5 15 year olds and we won. I only made 1 basket but set those kids up with perfect passes so they had wide open shots.

I know there are other better assist men but magic made it cool. Looking one way then passing to a guy the other way.

Only magic wasn't doing it because he was a bad shot. I'd rather people high five me for the great pass and not be mad at me for missing a shot I should have taken. Lol

I started off a PG then became a combo guard. I loved assisting more than scoring though. Watching Magic work his wizardry gave me an appreciation for assist before I ever played a game. it came in handy because I was only allowed to play with adults that only wanted to shoot. So I concentrated on assists, dribbling and defense.

 

[sealybobo]

Most likely, Bird told Pippen he was going to hit the shot in his face. The only question is whether he called out the spot too like he did with X-Man.

Why you think Jordan talked so much? He wanted to be like Larry. He probably ripped his like Mike campaign from that.

MJ didnt talk because he wanted to be like Larry. Larry talked because he was emulating the Black players. Thats what Black players do to gain a mental advantage.

MJ actually recruited LB (offered a ton of money) to be a part of the like Mike campaign. It was easy money; and LB turned it down. LB talked because he knew he was the man, PERIOD.

Emulating black players....

Yes he was emulating Black players. I have met very few white guys that talk trash on the court. All of them learned it from Black guys.

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

 

[sealybobo]

Yea with magic worthy and Kareem or with Kobe and shaq.

God magic was great though. Showtime.

Magic was the Bob Gibson of basketball.

Magic made me start playing basketball. I owe him alot.

I was a great assist point guard. Wasn't a great shot so took a lot of pride in setting people up. I owe it to magic. He made assists cool. Being the fascillitator. Actually a couple years ago I played a pick up game. Me and 4 13 year olds vs 5 15 year olds and we won. I only made 1 basket but set those kids up with perfect passes so they had wide open shots.

I know there are other better assist men but magic made it cool. Looking one way then passing to a guy the other way.

Only magic wasn't doing it because he was a bad shot. I'd rather people high five me for the great pass and not be mad at me for missing a shot I should have taken. Lol

I started off a PG then became a combo guard. I loved assisting more than scoring though. Watching Magic work his wizardry gave me an appreciation for assist before I ever played a game. it came in handy because I was only allowed to play with adults that only wanted to shoot. So I concentrated on assists, dribbling and defense.

I love driving hard and going up to shoot but last second dumping it off to someone wide open because 2 guys collapse on me. Secret is? Just let me shoot. I'll probably miss. Argh! I appreciate their skills. Except Dwight Howard. He sucks. Should be ashamed of himself can't shoot a fucking free throw. I never got him or shaq or Ben wallace. Practice every day retards!

But I was wrong about cabs and I said warriors were going to fold after game 1 and I thought clippers would advance.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why you think Jordan talked so much? He wanted to be like Larry. He probably ripped his like Mike campaign from that.

MJ didnt talk because he wanted to be like Larry. Larry talked because he was emulating the Black players. Thats what Black players do to gain a mental advantage.

MJ actually recruited LB (offered a ton of money) to be a part of the like Mike campaign. It was easy money; and LB turned it down. LB talked because he knew he was the man, PERIOD.

Emulating black players....

Yes he was emulating Black players. I have met very few white guys that talk trash on the court. All of them learned it from Black guys.

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

 

[sealybobo]

MJ didnt talk because he wanted to be like Larry. Larry talked because he was emulating the Black players. Thats what Black players do to gain a mental advantage.

MJ actually recruited LB (offered a ton of money) to be a part of the like Mike campaign. It was easy money; and LB turned it down. LB talked because he knew he was the man, PERIOD.

Emulating black players....

Yes he was emulating Black players. I have met very few white guys that talk trash on the court. All of them learned it from Black guys.

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

MJ actually recruited LB (offered a ton of money) to be a part of the like Mike campaign. It was easy money; and LB turned it down. LB talked because he knew he was the man, PERIOD.

Emulating black players....

Yes he was emulating Black players. I have met very few white guys that talk trash on the court. All of them learned it from Black guys.

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

 

[Asclepias]

Yes he was emulating Black players. I have met very few white guys that talk trash on the court. All of them learned it from Black guys.

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I dont see the incentive to give mj 3 in a row 2 times. It got really old

Go back and look at the ratings and you'll have your answer. The only ratings on par with the Bulls finals were Celts/Lakers. Even Shaq/Kobe was only like 70 percent of the MJ finals. The Spurs/Nets and Spurs/Pistons were like 35 percent of an MJ Finals. That's a lot of money left on the table when the 'wrong' team makes it to the finals. Once you get that, all the subtle missed calls and who they go for or don't go for will make a lot more sense.

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. Genetics don't lie. I'll take Jason Kidd on in a fight any day. I have no love for wife beaters.

I think the reason you don't see more Euro stars is two fold:

1. Much stronger soccer culture.
2. There attitudes are too passive. They stand in awe of individual talent too much. They're great system players; but they need to butch up.

 

[Asclepias]

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. Genetics don't lie. I'll take Jason Kidd on in a fight any day. I have no love for wife beaters.

I think the reason you don't see more Euro stars is two fold:

1. Much stronger soccer culture.
2. There attitudes are too passive. They stand in awe of individual talent too much. They're great system players; but they need to butch up.

Actually it does matter what they consider themselves. They only count as white in your mind. In their mind, actions, culture, genetics etc they are Black. Every single one of the guys you listed.

No you wouldnt take Kidd on in a fight but you get an a for effort at attempting to appear convincing.

There are more white euro stars than white american ones

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. Genetics don't lie. I'll take Jason Kidd on in a fight any day. I have no love for wife beaters.

I think the reason you don't see more Euro stars is two fold:

1. Much stronger soccer culture.
2. There attitudes are too passive. They stand in awe of individual talent too much. They're great system players; but they need to butch up.

Actually it does matter what they consider themselves. They only count as white in your mind. In their mind, actions, culture, genetics etc they are Black. Every single one of the guys you listed.

No you wouldnt take Kidd on in a fight but you get an a for effort at attempting to appear convincing.

There are more white euro stars than white american ones

First off, it very much matters from a genetical p.o.v. Second off, I'd argue that you're hyping the 'embrace' angle. For instance, Michayl Thompson has been very outspoken about insisting that his son Klay appreciate both sides of his genetic base. He's talked about it on his radio show too many times to count.

 

[sealybobo]

Black guys maybe talk the most trash on the court; but they hardly invented it.

But I do wish more white guys would talk. I think some of them would be better for it. Some of them are too nice for their own good. They fail to realize that talking gets the competitive juices flowing and gets into their opponent's head, which is why LB talked; not because he had some desire to 'act black.'

Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

I heard as more and more blacks make it out of poverty, less of them go into sports.

I dont know if there's any truth to it but I notice lass blacks in baseball and more poor hispanics.

 

[sealybobo]

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I dont see the incentive to give mj 3 in a row 2 times. It got really old

Go back and look at the ratings and you'll have your answer. The only ratings on par with the Bulls finals were Celts/Lakers. Even Shaq/Kobe was only like 70 percent of the MJ finals. The Spurs/Nets and Spurs/Pistons were like 35 percent of an MJ Finals. That's a lot of money left on the table when the 'wrong' team makes it to the finals. Once you get that, all the subtle missed calls and who they go for or don't go for will make a lot more sense.

Oh I've seen it. 2005 they gave it to the spurs.

But OK let mj make the finals but why cheat so he wins? They already have the ratings. What benefit is there to him winning everytime?

This reminds me of WWF. They always let hulk hogan win. There must have been a financial benefit but as a viewer I never got it. It was the same thing every week for years.

 

[sealybobo]

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. Genetics don't lie. I'll take Jason Kidd on in a fight any day. I have no love for wife beaters.

I think the reason you don't see more Euro stars is two fold:

1. Much stronger soccer culture.
2. There attitudes are too passive. They stand in awe of individual talent too much. They're great system players; but they need to butch up.

Actually it does matter what they consider themselves. They only count as white in your mind. In their mind, actions, culture, genetics etc they are Black. Every single one of the guys you listed.

No you wouldnt take Kidd on in a fight but you get an a for effort at attempting to appear convincing.

There are more white euro stars than white american ones

If they are half black they are black. I didn't ask who the greatest half blacks were.

Jason Kidd can't be tough. Is he? Those point guards look small but in person you realize they are huge.

 

[Asclepias]

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. Genetics don't lie. I'll take Jason Kidd on in a fight any day. I have no love for wife beaters.

I think the reason you don't see more Euro stars is two fold:

1. Much stronger soccer culture.
2. There attitudes are too passive. They stand in awe of individual talent too much. They're great system players; but they need to butch up.

Actually it does matter what they consider themselves. They only count as white in your mind. In their mind, actions, culture, genetics etc they are Black. Every single one of the guys you listed.

No you wouldnt take Kidd on in a fight but you get an a for effort at attempting to appear convincing.

There are more white euro stars than white american ones

First off, it very much matters from a genetical p.o.v. Second off, I'd argue that you're hyping the 'embrace' angle. For instance, Michayl Thompson has been very outspoken about insisting that his son Klay appreciate both sides of his genetic base. He's talked about it on his radio show too many times to count.

No it doesnt matter at all. You forget white people made up these categories and have no clue what Black is anyway. I dont subscribe to categories designed by white people and neither do most Black people. Halle Berry for instance has a daughter with a white guy and she says her daughter is Black. Just because Thompson is outspoken his son embrace both sides doesnt make Klay white. My oldest is half white and I do the same thing but make no mistake about it she is a Black woman.

 

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Gwat? Greatest white of all time? Dirk? I mean besides bird. Stockton? And I mean since bird. I dont care about before bird. I mean since. Bill lambeer. Walton? I'm thinking of all the great teams and players on those teams and I'm having a hard time thinking of white superstars or legends.

Jerry West, John Havlicek, Pete Maravich, Rick Barry, Dave Cowens, George Mikan, Bob Cousy.

All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

I heard as more and more blacks make it out of poverty, less of them go into sports.

I dont know if there's any truth to it but I notice lass blacks in baseball and more poor hispanics.

For a long time the easiest way to achieve success was through sports. Actually it still is for most in the ghettos but for those that are raised in the suburbs its just another option.

There are less american Blacks but if you look at the Hispanics most of them are of African descent.

 

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All before bird. Its like us Greeks who brag about inventing democracy. Yea but what have we done since or lately. Who are the greats today?

Jason Kidd and Blake Griffin are both half white; and Stephen Curry is one quarter white, I believe. Klay Thompson is half white as well. Just throwing that out there. Steve Nash just won a couple MVPs not that long ago. Manu Ginobili is considerably white; just not in the Northwestern Euro mold. People been throwing out MJ love. He's not getting those last three rings without Toni Kukoc. Not to mention Steve Kerr and John Paxson both iced championships for him. White Chocolate (Jason Williams) is arguably the most entertaining player to play in the NBA. Though, the Kings traded him for the half white Mike Bibby to get them over the top. Kevin Love is over-rated, imo; but pulling down 20-20's night in and night out when he was in Minnesota is something. The Gasol brothers have been top centers in the league for like a decade now. JMO, but I think AMMO (Adam Morrison) was going to come on strong and play like he did in college before he blew out his knee in the preseason of year 2. He takes a lot of heat for being a bust; but knee injuries often do players in.Frankly, there have been a lot of good white players; but yea, there's been a shortage in white all-stars at times....and someone already mentioned Dirk.

All those guys you listed consider themselves Black. I know JKidd personally and he would beat you up if you called him white! Curry is not white at all. Both his parents are Black not biracial. John Stockton was the last white american guy to start an all star game. The problem is not with being white. Its the socialization of the american masses into believing basketball is a Black mans game. American whites simply need to believe. European players ball hard.

It doesn't matter what they consider themselves. Genetics don't lie. I'll take Jason Kidd on in a fight any day. I have no love for wife beaters.

I think the reason you don't see more Euro stars is two fold:

1. Much stronger soccer culture.
2. There attitudes are too passive. They stand in awe of individual talent too much. They're great system players; but they need to butch up.

Actually it does matter what they consider themselves. They only count as white in your mind. In their mind, actions, culture, genetics etc they are Black. Every single one of the guys you listed.

No you wouldnt take Kidd on in a fight but you get an a for effort at attempting to appear convincing.

There are more white euro stars than white american ones

If they are half black they are black. I didn't ask who the greatest half blacks were.

Jason Kidd can't be tough. Is he? Those point guards look small but in person you realize they are huge.

JKidd is '6"4, strong as a bull, and built like a tank. Gat wouldnt want any parts of him.

 

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There is one guy I would put up their with Duncan as the GOAT at PF. Kevin Garnett. He didnt have as much success as Duncan but he was a force and with the right team would have had more success.

 

[sealybobo]

Simple test. Ask someone in the kkk if they are white.

But then would a greek like me even be white enough? They mean Aryan.