New 'wrikle' to STOP the Keystone Pipeline Project

[tinydancer]

List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tracking Canada s History of Oil Pipeline Spills ActiveHistory.ca

According to the International Energy Agency, U.S. pipelines spilled three times as much crude oil as trains over [an] eight-year period, even though incidents happened much less frequently. And that eight-year period was dominated by large pipeline spill events, including one that saw 800,000 gallons of Canadian tar sands crude spill in and around the Kalamazoo River, and another 63,000 gallon pipeline spill into the Yellowstone River.

Crude Awakening 37 years of oil spills in Alberta Globalnews.ca

And? Pipelines leak. Trains derail. Pick your poison. The crude is moving no matter what.

Key point though you seem to have missed. The Keystone is built. The XL is only an extra line. From Alberta to the Gulf it's transporting crude 24/7.

Pipelines vs. trains: Which is better for moving oil?
With 4 oil-train derailments in North America in past 3 weeks, pipeline-vs.-rail debate resurfaces

When it comes to pipelines versus rail, it's not comparing apples to apples. When a pipeline leaks, more product is spilled, but it's not likely to explode. When a oil car derails, there is a higher chance of loss of life or destruction of property, but the spill is relatively contained. It really depends on what you're worried about — cost, CO2 emissions, safety, or the environment?

"This is a discussion we absolutely need to have," said Michal Moore, director of energy and environmental policy at the University of Calgary.

"It needs to start with safety, but also needs to consider what transfers and stores the highest volume of [oil] material at the lowest possible cost."

Pipelines vs. trains Which is better for moving oil - Business - CBC News

 

[whitehall]

The Indian Nation gave up it's bull shit claim of "sacred land" when they decided to build gambling casinos and lobby to grow and sell marijuana to the paleface.

 

[bripat9643]

The federal government threw those treaties into the waste bin 150 years ago.

Always the "charmer".....and one of the forum's clowns....
Go take a nap.

Truth annoys you, doesn't it?

 

[bripat9643]

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

I'm stating a fact. The Keystone pipeline is complete.

If there's a grown up close by, you can ask that individual how a spill would seep and contaminate the ground water for MILLIONS of acres.

No it wouldn't, numskull. Do you imagine they would just keep pumping oil through the pipeline if they knew there was a leak in it?

 

[nat4900]

Let's say you're a sick, anti-American, lone-wolf terrorist....would you opt to create havoc by blowing up a train carrying tar-sand, OR blowing up sections of a 1200 mile, unguarded pipeline?

 

[nat4900]

Truth annoys you, doesn't it?

How did you find out that among us left wingers we often refer you as the TRUTH bearer?.................LOL

 

[bripat9643]

Let's say you're a sick, anti-American, lone-wolf terrorist....would you opt to create havoc by blowing up a train carrying tar-sand, OR blowing up sections of a 1200 mile, unguarded pipeline?

The pipe line is buried, so that's going to be rather difficult, don't you think?

 

[FA_Q2]

List of pipeline accidents in the United States in the 21st century - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Tracking Canada s History of Oil Pipeline Spills ActiveHistory.ca

According to the International Energy Agency, U.S. pipelines spilled three times as much crude oil as trains over [an] eight-year period, even though incidents happened much less frequently. And that eight-year period was dominated by large pipeline spill events, including one that saw 800,000 gallons of Canadian tar sands crude spill in and around the Kalamazoo River, and another 63,000 gallon pipeline spill into the Yellowstone River.

Crude Awakening 37 years of oil spills in Alberta Globalnews.ca

I notice that you failed to place any kind or ratio in that statement making it rather meaningless.

The amount spilled has no meaning unless paired with the difficulty cleaning it up, environmental damage from the spill and the amount actually spilled versus the amount moved. Without context your statements are utterly meaningless.

 

[FA_Q2]

So it's a bad thing to grow our standing as a major oil supplier to the world?

We are already basically second in the world (almost tied with the Saudis) and only behind Russia.....Canada is 5th and you may have noticed that instead of building a pipeline through their own country to Vancouver's port, Canadians would rather we take the environmental impact after a disaster.

Idiocy.

It has nothing to do with the impact as it has to do with refining capability. You are advocating a position that brings us GRATER environmental impact while receiving LESS economic benefit.

Even worse, you are parroting the same bullshit of 'not in my backyard' that the environmentalists like to cling to lately. If you actually cared about the environmental impacts you would be fighting to get as much production here as humanly possible - production that would be subject to standards from the EPA. Instead, modern environmentalists push production to places like China who don't bother with such trivial things like standards.

 

[FA_Q2]

Let's say you're a sick, anti-American, lone-wolf terrorist....would you opt to create havoc by blowing up a train carrying tar-sand, OR blowing up sections of a 1200 mile, unguarded pipeline?

The pipe line is buried, so that's going to be rather difficult, don't you think?

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