News Flash: We still don't have a Federal Budget!

[francoHFW]

More like their subsidies being cut, poor things...

 

[ScienceRocks]

Over $40 billion in new taxes on the oil and gas industries alone. Residing in Obubba's budget.
Why? Inquiring minds want to know.

If it want to infrastructure, science and tech = good. Agree?

 

[francoHFW]

It can't cost money, according to the Sean Rushbeck etc etc idiot GOP...

 

[Mr. H.]

Over $40 billion in new taxes on the oil and gas industries alone. Residing in Obubba's budget.
Why? Inquiring minds want to know.

If it want to infrastructure, science and tech = good. Agree?

I agree you're a drunken sot.

 

[hortysir]

Over $40 billion in new taxes on the oil and gas industries alone. Residing in Obubba's budget.
Why? Inquiring minds want to know.

If it want to infrastructure, science and tech = good. Agree?

The gov't can divert other funds for that without creating NEW Taxes

 

[g5000]

Article I - The Legislative Branch
Section 7

Clause 1:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Clause 2:

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Nothing in there about a requirement to pass a budget every year.

 

[g5000]

The Constitution grants the "power of the purse" to Congress,1 but does not establish any specific procedure for the consideration of budgetary legislation. Instead, a number of laws and congressional rules contribute to the federal budget process, with two statutes in particular forming the basic framework.

The Budget and Accounting Act of 1921, as codified in Title 31 of the United States Code, established the statutory basis for an executive budget process by requiring the President to submit to Congress annually a proposed budget for the federal government. It also created the Bureau of the Budget (reorganized as the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) in 1970) to assist him in carrying out his responsibilities, and the General Accounting Office (GAO, renamed the Government Accountability Office in 2004) to assist Congress as the principal auditing agency of the federal government.

The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (P.L. 93-344, 88 Stat. 297) established the statutory basis for a congressional budget process, and provided for the annual adoption of a concurrent resolution on the budget as a mechanism for facilitating congressional budgetary decision making. It also established the House and Senate Budget Committees, and created the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) to provide budgetary information to Congress independent of the executive branch.

The annual appropriations process provides funding for discretionary spending programs through regular annual appropriations bills. Congress must enact these measures prior to the beginning of each fiscal year (October 1) or provide interim funding for the affected programs through a "continuing resolution."

The Budget | Budget.House.Gov

 

[Flopper]

Article I - The Legislative Branch
Section 7

Clause 1:

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Clause 2:

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Nothing in there about a requirement to pass a budget every year.

Nope. Apparently the founders either could not imagine a situation where the members of congress would not agree on spending or maybe they felt it wasn't that important. When the constitution was written there weren't that many on going expenses. In 1789, the US operating budget was about 1.25 million dollars. Just the white house budget alone today is over a hundred times the budget for the entire country in 1789.

In the 18th century if congress didn't agree on spending then the army or maybe the president didn't get paid which happened from time to time. You could shut the whole government down for an extended vacation and most people would not even notice.

 

[Care4all]

I thought they were obligated, as per the constitution, to submit a budget each year. I guess rules don't apply when the liberals are in charge. Hey, why don't we all just ignore Obamacare law when they finally impose it on us?

the President is required to present a fiscal budget for the following fiscal year beginning October 1st, to congress by March of each year, which he has done. He is NOT required to sign a budget, but to create a budget.

After that, it is up to congress to create and pass a budget, generally keeping in mind the President's fiscal budget requests.

If congress does not pass a budget, then they pass smaller appropriations bills to 'pay the bills', that can not exceed the budget of the last year congress passed a budget that was signed. Nothing is paid by congress without an appropriations bill passed to pay for it.

so again..... without a passed budget, they can not exceed the spending by Department, for the last Budget passed.....this does not mean that they do not pass appropriation bills each and every year to pay for the gvts spending...because they do.

 

[Flopper]

so again..... without a passed budget, they can not exceed the spending by Department, for the last Budget passed.....this does not mean that they do not pass appropriation bills each and every year to pay for the gvts spending...because they do.

Where does this come from? Article I, section 9, clause 7) states that "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law..." It sounds like the only Constitution limitation is Congress must appropriate the funds. I don't see how Congress is limited in what they appropriate.

 

[Gardener]

Have the House Republicans finally chosen reconciliation members yet?

Have the Senate Republicans stopped filibustering picking of THEIR reconciliation negotiators yet?

Where is the House budget? The Senate passed one.

 

[Gardener]

Obama won't get one his entire presidency...

2010 doesn't count, huh?

 

[hortysir]

Have the House Republicans finally chosen reconciliation members yet?

Have the Senate Republicans stopped filibustering picking of THEIR reconciliation negotiators yet?

Where is the House budget? The Senate passed one.

Selective memory much?

Does "Ryan Plan" ring any bells.
Yea, the Senate finally passed a budget but the House has passed theirs every single year.
Mr Reid has a desk full of things passed by the House that'll never see the light of day

 

[Flopper]

Have the House Republicans finally chosen reconciliation members yet?

Have the Senate Republicans stopped filibustering picking of THEIR reconciliation negotiators yet?

Where is the House budget? The Senate passed one.

The last I heard, they were still working on it.

 

[itfitzme]

Pretty much everybody is aware of how the Democrats in the Senate refused to pass a budget, in defiance of Constitutional requirements, for nearly four long years. Not even one they wrote themselves. And people celebrated several months ago, when the Senate Dems finally passed one. Republicans in the House had passed budgets regularly, every year they had held the majority.

Well, guess what. CONGRESS HAS STILL NEVER PASSED A BUDGET in all that time. And that remains true today.

The Fed Govt only "has a budget" when the House and Senate both agree on the SAME budget, both pass that same budget, and the President signs it. And that still hasn't happened in four years. Republicans point out that the Dems still have no plans to balance the budget EVER, while Republican budgets are projected to balance within 10 years. Not perfect by any means, since debt keeps climbing until that time, but at least they're moving in the right direction.

But if you think the "budget crisis" came to an end when the Democrats at long last finally passed a "budget" in the Senate, think again.

From 2013 United States debt-ceiling debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia :

On March 21st, the house passed a FY 2014 budget that would balance the united states budget in 2023. This was a large improvement over their 2013 budget, which balanced in 2035, and especially over their 2012 budget, which balanced in 2063. It passed the house on a mostly party-line 221-207 vote. However, later that day, the Senate voted 59-40 to reject the house republican budget, so the budget did not become law.[14]

On March 23rd, the senate passed its own 2014 budget on a 50-49 vote. While the senate budget did include deficit reduction, it was projected to never result in a balanced budget, and was therefore criticized by republicans and even a few democrats. The House refused to hold a vote on the Senate Budget, and criticized both it and the president's budget (which was also projected to never result in a balanced budget), released in mid-april and never voted on by either house of congress, for failing to really address America's debt problem.[15]

I think there may be some misunderstanding of how the budgeting process works.

You might look at this

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/137175.pdf

and read up on budget resolutions. If I am understanding it correctly, a general non-binding budget resolution is passed. It serves as a template. Then the control passes individual budget committies that refine the specific details of each budget category. As such, Congress, by law, will never pass the kind off budget that we are thinking of.

Again, read that history. Congress has followed it since it went into law in 1976 when the budget process was changed.

 

[Care4all]

so again..... without a passed budget, they can not exceed the spending by Department, for the last Budget passed.....this does not mean that they do not pass appropriation bills each and every year to pay for the gvts spending...because they do.

Where does this come from? Article I, section 9, clause 7) states that "No money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law..." It sounds like the only Constitution limitation is Congress must appropriate the funds. I don't see how Congress is limited in what they appropriate.

Here Flopper, it's called a "Continuing Resolution" and this explains it better than I did:

Federal budget procedure

The federal government of the United States operates on a budget calendar that runs from October 1 through September 30. Each year, the Congress authorizes each department, agency, or program to spend a specific amount of money, and the President signs the bill into law. This money may not be spent, however, until it has been appropriated for a given purpose. The Department of Justice, for example, is authorized to spend $22.2 billion each year, but may not do so until Congress passes a law that says so. [1]
Because of this system, Congress is required to pass separate spending bills every year to ensure the operation of government. If Congress fails to pass such a bill, or the President fails to sign it into law, non-essential functions of the government will cease, as they are no longer allowed by law to spend money. In order to prevent the interruption of government services, Congress will often pass a continuing resolution. This authorizes government agencies to fund their agencies at the current level until either the resolution expires, or an appropriations bill is passed. A continuing resolution must be passed by both houses of Congress and signed into law by the President.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_resolution