Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[danielpalos]

special pleading and claiming you are right is not a valid argument.

...which is exactly what you do EVERY FUCKING TIME.

using the term socialism merely to appeal to emotion instead of discussing the actual issues is nothing but right wing bigotry. rejection is not refutation. you need a superior argument for that.

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is where business and industry is owned (communism) or regulated by the community...

"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

 

[danielpalos]

lol. public policy is socialism private policy is capitalism.

Says who?

your money versus the Other Peoples' money.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is where business and industry is owned (communism) or regulated by the community...

"We are all socialists now!"--Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

the Right Wing doesn't Care. they merely use the Term for dramatic effect and appeals to emotion.

 

[francoHFW]

The point is to let Mueller finish quietly without spilling the whole apple cart.
The last thing Congress needs is another full-blown Clinton scandal....it would hurt everyone not only Dems.

There is no Clinton scandal as always, just garbage Republican propaganda. We don't know what Mueller has on Trump yet, but there are six of his closest advisers from the campaign going to jail.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The point is to let Mueller finish quietly without spilling the whole apple cart.
The last thing Congress needs is another full-blown Clinton scandal....it would hurt everyone not only Dems.

There is no Clinton scandal as always, just garbage Republican propaganda. We don't know what Mueller has on Trump yet, but there are six of his closest advisers from the campaign going to jail.

There is no Clinton scandal as always,

Poor Bill and Hillary, victims of that vast right wing conspiracy, eh?

 

[Ame®icano]

If Russia is so bad why did Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Barak Obama and John McCain sell them our Uranium and why did Clinton and Obama ask Putin to help them defeat Donald J Trump by paying $14 Million for a Dirty Dossier full of LIES? Why did Obama give Putin a wink and a tug and let him invade Crimea?

Russia at this point is a corrupt oligarchy close to dictatorship, and Putin is a scumbag. Is also socialist barely because socialism is democratic at this point-- communism isn't.

There is no evidence the clintons asked Putin for help, and the uranium never left our control. Stupid phony scandal super duper.

It was Republican competitors with Trump in the Republican primaries that started that dossier. Clinton just took it over when Trump won.

You actually believe that.

It's amazing how much you GOP dupes don't know... By the way, this is just typical politics these days, the only difference being what a wild man Trump is LOL
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAJegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3Qga0x_6q31p5EU_U3w0e3

Where'd it come from?
During the 2016 Republican presidential primaries, the leaders of the conservative news outlet Washington Free Beacon hired a private intelligence company, Fusion GPS, to conduct research into the candidates, including Trump. Early in the year, the Free Beacon's interest in the work lapsed. So by "early March," Fusion GPS approached the law firm Perkins Coie, which represents the Democratic National Committee, offering to continue its investigations into Trump. In April, the law firm agreed, and it began to underwrite the investigation

Your claim is that dossier was ordered by Republicans. According to your last post, your own claim is not truth.

Fusion GPS did opo research on Trump, there was no dossier at the time. If there was, wouldn't Republicans used it? Dossier is another hoax started by Democrats in order to get FISA warrant to spy on Trump's campaign. You know it, and you're still keep pushing the same bullshit.

 

[Ame®icano]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
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To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

The problem is, it was Socialism that caused the 1930s. Everything you posted, was the result of socialism.

our First World economy is the result of FDR's form of socialism.

Fucking communist.

 

[Ame®icano]

we delegated Powers to Congress; that is a One Way street. Is that a simple enough explanation?

Umm....no it is NOT!!!

Our founders believed this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Declaration of Independence
The Declaration of Independence: Full text

You're fucking wrong, dan.

.

no, i am not.

our form of social-ism enumerates a Ninth Amendment.

Ninth Amendment protects people rights, not government.

Congress is delegated the Power to Tax to solve the problems of our republic.

Taxing solve problems?

 

[Ame®icano]

Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror fit that description.

No, they don't, unless you are arguing that government is controlling the means of production on drugs. Then, yes. I will agree with you on that. It is socialism and it needs to end.

End all of those wars. I am with you on that. No disagreement.

Our welfare clause is General, not limited to right wing bigotry.

More Deep Thoughts, by Dan Palos:
"I bet for an Indian, shooting an old, fat pioneer woman in the back with an arrow, and she fires her shotgun into the ground as she falls over, is like the top thing you can do."


Deep Thoughts: Being an Indian

Law enforcement enforces our social laws not our capital laws.

What that has to do with anything?

taxes and the Other Peoples' tax money.

What law enforcement has to do with taxes and other people money?

 

[francoHFW]

If Russia is so bad why did Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Barak Obama and John McCain sell them our Uranium and why did Clinton and Obama ask Putin to help them defeat Donald J Trump by paying $14 Million for a Dirty Dossier full of LIES? Why did Obama give Putin a wink and a tug and let him invade Crimea?

There is no evidence the clintons asked Putin for help, and the uranium never left our control. Stupid phony scandal super duper.

It was Republican competitors with Trump in the Republican primaries that started that dossier. Clinton just took it over when Trump won.

You actually believe that.

It's amazing how much you GOP dupes don't know... By the way, this is just typical politics these days, the only difference being what a wild man Trump is LOL
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAJegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3Qga0x_6q31p5EU_U3w0e3

Where'd it come from?
During the 2016 Republican presidential primaries, the leaders of the conservative news outlet Washington Free Beacon hired a private intelligence company, Fusion GPS, to conduct research into the candidates, including Trump. Early in the year, the Free Beacon's interest in the work lapsed. So by "early March," Fusion GPS approached the law firm Perkins Coie, which represents the Democratic National Committee, offering to continue its investigations into Trump. In April, the law firm agreed, and it began to underwrite the investigation

Your claim is that dossier was ordered by Republicans. According to your last post, your own claim is not truth.

Fusion GPS did opo research on Trump, there was no dossier at the time. If there was, wouldn't Republicans used it? Dossier is another hoax started by Democrats in order to get FISA warrant to spy on Trump's campaign. You know it, and you're still keep pushing the same bullshit.

It is all just typical politics nowadays, super duper. For whoever was running against Trump and nobody used it. Hillary was going to win anyway LOL, nobody understood the power of propaganda yet.

 

[francoHFW]

The point is to let Mueller finish quietly without spilling the whole apple cart.
The last thing Congress needs is another full-blown Clinton scandal....it would hurt everyone not only Dems.

There is no Clinton scandal as always, just garbage Republican propaganda. We don't know what Mueller has on Trump yet, but there are six of his closest advisers from the campaign going to jail.

There is no Clinton scandal as always,

Poor Bill and Hillary, victims of that vast right wing conspiracy, eh?

everything they've done the last 25 years has been investigated and there is nothing there but a BJ and a gigantic title Wave of GOP lies...
Big mouth James Comey did her in...

 

[danielpalos]

If Russia is so bad why did Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Barak Obama and John McCain sell them our Uranium and why did Clinton and Obama ask Putin to help them defeat Donald J Trump by paying $14 Million for a Dirty Dossier full of LIES? Why did Obama give Putin a wink and a tug and let him invade Crimea?

There is no evidence the clintons asked Putin for help, and the uranium never left our control. Stupid phony scandal super duper.

It was Republican competitors with Trump in the Republican primaries that started that dossier. Clinton just took it over when Trump won.

You actually believe that.

It's amazing how much you GOP dupes don't know... By the way, this is just typical politics these days, the only difference being what a wild man Trump is LOL
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjAJegQICRAB&usg=AOvVaw3Qga0x_6q31p5EU_U3w0e3

Where'd it come from?
During the 2016 Republican presidential primaries, the leaders of the conservative news outlet Washington Free Beacon hired a private intelligence company, Fusion GPS, to conduct research into the candidates, including Trump. Early in the year, the Free Beacon's interest in the work lapsed. So by "early March," Fusion GPS approached the law firm Perkins Coie, which represents the Democratic National Committee, offering to continue its investigations into Trump. In April, the law firm agreed, and it began to underwrite the investigation

Your claim is that dossier was ordered by Republicans. According to your last post, your own claim is not truth.

Fusion GPS did opo research on Trump, there was no dossier at the time. If there was, wouldn't Republicans used it? Dossier is another hoax started by Democrats in order to get FISA warrant to spy on Trump's campaign. You know it, and you're still keep pushing the same bullshit.

You right wingers insisted we needed more national security and to check on who is being Patriotic in their Acts or not.

Your guys got caught in Your Own devices. Who's fault is that, Right Wingers.

 

[danielpalos]

Ask them how well capitalism was doing in 1929.
View attachment 245504 View attachment 245506 View attachment 245505

To the extent that capitalism’s problems – inequality, instability (cycles/crises), etc. – stem in part from its production relationships, reforms focused exclusively on regulating or supplanting markets will not succeed in solving them. For example, Keynesian monetary policies (focused on raising or lowering the quantity of money in circulation and, correspondingly, interest rates) do not touch the employer-employee relationship, however much their variations redistribute wealth, regulate markets, or displace markets in favor of state-administered investment decisions. Likewise, Keynesian fiscal policies (raising or lowering taxes and government spending) do not address the employer-employee relationship.

Keynesian policies also never ended the cyclical instability of capitalism. The New Deal and European social democracy left capitalism in place in both state and private units (enterprises) of production notwithstanding their massive reform agendas and programs. They thereby left capitalist employers facing the incentives and receiving the resources (profits) to evade, weaken and eventually dissolve most of those programs.

It is far better not to distribute wealth unequally in the first place than to re-distribute it after to undo the inequality. For example, FDR proposed in 1944 that the government establish a maximum income alongside a minimum wage; that is one among the various ways inequality could be limited and thereby redistribution avoided. Efforts to redistribute encounter evasions, oppositions, and failures that compound the effects of unequal distribution itself. Social peace and cohesion are the victims of redistribution sooner or later. Reforming markets while leaving the relations/organization of capitalist production unchanged is like redistribution. Just as redistribution schemes fail to solve the problems rooted in distribution, market-focused reforms fail to solve the problems rooted in production.

Since 2008, capitalism has showed us all yet again its deep and unsolved problems of cyclical instability, deepening inequality and the injustices they both entail. Their persistence mirrors that of the capitalist organization of production. To successfully confront and solve the problems of economic cycles, income and wealth inequality, and so on, we need to go beyond the capitalist employer-employee system of production. The democratization of enterprises – transitioning from employer-employee hierarchies to worker cooperatives – is a key way available here and now to realize the change we need.

Worker coops democratically decide the distribution of income (wages, bonuses, benefits, profit shares, etc.) among their members. No small group of owners and the boards of directors they choose would, as in capitalist corporations, make such decisions. Thus, for example, it would be far less likely that a few individuals in a worker coop would earn millions while most others could not afford to send children to college. A democratic worker coop decision on the distribution of enterprise income would be far less unequal than what typifies capitalist enterprises. A socialism for the 21st century could and should include the transition from a capitalist to a worker-coop-based economic system as central to its commitments to less inequality and less social conflict over redistribution.

Capitalism Is Not the “Market System”

The problem is, it was Socialism that caused the 1930s. Everything you posted, was the result of socialism.

our First World economy is the result of FDR's form of socialism.

Fucking communist.

right wing gibberish is not a valid argument.

 

[danielpalos]

we delegated Powers to Congress; that is a One Way street. Is that a simple enough explanation?

Umm....no it is NOT!!!

Our founders believed this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Declaration of Independence
The Declaration of Independence: Full text

You're fucking wrong, dan.

.

no, i am not.

our form of social-ism enumerates a Ninth Amendment.

Ninth Amendment protects people rights, not government.

Congress is delegated the Power to Tax to solve the problems of our republic.

Taxing solve problems?

Why bother delegating the Power, otherwise, right wingers.

 

[danielpalos]

Our alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror fit that description.

No, they don't, unless you are arguing that government is controlling the means of production on drugs. Then, yes. I will agree with you on that. It is socialism and it needs to end.

End all of those wars. I am with you on that. No disagreement.

Our welfare clause is General, not limited to right wing bigotry.

More Deep Thoughts, by Dan Palos:
"I bet for an Indian, shooting an old, fat pioneer woman in the back with an arrow, and she fires her shotgun into the ground as she falls over, is like the top thing you can do."


Deep Thoughts: Being an Indian

Law enforcement enforces our social laws not our capital laws.

What that has to do with anything?

taxes and the Other Peoples' tax money.

What law enforcement has to do with taxes and other people money?

Public social (law) policy.

 

[danielpalos]

The point is to let Mueller finish quietly without spilling the whole apple cart.
The last thing Congress needs is another full-blown Clinton scandal....it would hurt everyone not only Dems.

There is no Clinton scandal as always, just garbage Republican propaganda. We don't know what Mueller has on Trump yet, but there are six of his closest advisers from the campaign going to jail.

There is no Clinton scandal as always,

Poor Bill and Hillary, victims of that vast right wing conspiracy, eh?

everything they've done the last 25 years has been investigated and there is nothing there but a BJ and a gigantic title Wave of GOP lies...
Big mouth James Comey did her in...

diversity and stress management in a team oriented environment should be considered necessary and proper in modern times.

 

[TNHarley]

So your argument is a picture of a book you never read which is probably Rockefeller or Carnegie propaganda
. Congratulations.

I've read both it and the sources cited in its end notes.

But you feel free to move the fuck to Cuba, tovarich.

Cuba is communist.

No they arent. You dont know what communism is but you want to act like you actually know what socialism is? While calling cuba communist?

 

[francoHFW]

So your argument is a picture of a book you never read which is probably Rockefeller or Carnegie propaganda
. Congratulations.

I've read both it and the sources cited in its end notes.

But you feel free to move the fuck to Cuba, tovarich.

Cuba is communist.

No they arent. You dont know what communism is but you want to act like you actually know what socialism is? While calling cuba communist?

Where is communist then? you have your own special theory....

 

[SmokeALib]

So your argument is a picture of a book you never read which is probably Rockefeller or Carnegie propaganda
. Congratulations.

I've read both it and the sources cited in its end notes.

But you feel free to move the fuck to Cuba, tovarich.

Cuba is communist.

So are you.