Next time you hear someone criticizing socialism...

[dblack]

And you think that even more government control of the economy/monetary ownership is the answer?

Always. Resistance is futile.

 

[francoHFW]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Our government is an institution that operates at the behest of the ruling class. The idea is to take it back.

There is no ruling class at least in one party. Representative democracy is a republic and I believe especially after 250 years. The pure crap GOP propaganda machine is one of its worst challenges ever- half of you people are nuts...

 

[Tehon]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

 

[Tehon]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Our government is an institution that operates at the behest of the ruling class. The idea is to take it back.

There is no ruling class at least in one party. Representative democracy is a republic and I believe especially after 250 years. The pure crap GOP propaganda machine is one of its worst challenges ever- half of you people are nuts...

Of course there is a ruling class. Take off the blinders.

 

[Markle]

I’m good with AOC being the voice of socialism.

Me too! Plus Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and a few others. I want them out there, sucking up the oxygen from any legitimate contender.

Today they cheered Amazon from opening a main office in New York. Imagine the great ads they are creating for Republicans. They cheered and celebrated the loss of up to 25,000 good paying jobs. Local residents are STEAMED!

 

[dblack]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

 

[Ame®icano]

The socialism of Government doesn't work that way, for a Constitutional and legal reason.

 

[danielpalos]

natural rights cannot be irrelevant in any State of our Union.

we should hold our representatives to government accountable at every opportunity.

Piss off troll.

upset, bro?

Piss off troll.

why no argument; just the fallacy of an ad hominem?

Piss off troll.

in an alternate universe, Trump was a left wing president with Clinton for vice president;

in that universe;

he would be proclaiming,

Only lousy capitalists lose money on public policy with a Commerce Clause and a welfare clause General.

 

[McRocket]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

Are you for the Fed?

 

[danielpalos]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

We have a Constitution, troll.

 

[Tehon]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

Are you for the Fed?

No.

I am a Marxist. I am for a system of production that is absent capital.

 

[dblack]

They are not saying that they want government to control society or the economy.

Yes, they are:

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically

Doesn’t socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?

Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.

Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.

I love this answer. It's classic bullshit. Notice what they're saying, and what they're not. Notice that their answer to the question "Doesn’t socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?" isn't "No". It's "Yes" with an explanation of why they think it's necessary.

 

[Thinker101]

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

We have a Constitution, troll.

You mean that document you loons keep trying to shred?

 

[Tehon]

If you want my opinion as to which economic institution needs to be democratically controlled by we the people, I would say the bank.

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

Again, that is not a fair characterization of their beliefs.

 

[dblack]

Do you mean "controlled by the people", or "controlled by the government"? They're not the same thing.

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

We have a Constitution, troll.

Piss off troll.

 

[francoHFW]

They are not saying that they want government to control society or the economy.

Yes, they are:

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically

Doesn’t socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?

Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.

Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.

I love this answer. It's classic bullshit. Notice what they're saying, and what they're not. Notice that their answer to the question "Doesn’t socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?" isn't "No". It's "Yes" with an explanation of why they think it's necessary.

Bologna, super duper. Communism means owning everything and can only be put in by violent revolution and everyone knows it's a failure now. Now socialism means well regulated always democratic capitalism with a good safety net.
Ask any socialist in the modern world.
"We're all socialists now" --Finland prime minister when ACA passed....

 

[dblack]

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

Again, that is not a fair characterization of their beliefs.

It's their own words. How is it not a fair characterization of their beliefs? Are you saying the are sabotaging themselves? Deliberately misleading???

 

[danielpalos]

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

We have a Constitution, troll.

You mean that document you loons keep trying to shred?

not me; i am a federalist. our Constitution contains our "holy grail" and supreme law of the land.

 

[danielpalos]

I said controlled by we the people. That is what I meant.

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

We have a Constitution, troll.

Piss off troll.

should I practice arguing with Ogres, just for fun and practice with trolls?

 

[Thinker101]

Yes. And what DID you mean? I assume you meant, "controlled by a majority of the people via government". If you didn't, please elaborate (but kindly avoid all the marxist equivocation).

Yes, there would have to be a governing body. Not necessarily on a national scale.

The question is the scope of the governing body's power. The Democratic Socialists say that government should run society. (and the economy, but that seems to be encompassed by "society").

We have a Constitution, troll.

You mean that document you loons keep trying to shred?

not me; i am a federalist. our Constitution contains our "holy grail" and supreme law of the land.

Sure, I call BS.