No Cake for You

[Kosh]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

Only until it's something they don't like...like protecting tax paying gay Americans from discrimination in public accommodations.

They're totally cool with religion being protected at the Federal level though...

The bakers found in violation were found in violation of STATE laws.

I know...they're all about states rights until they aren't. And they aren't even TRYING a to attack these laws at the Federal level...because THOSE don't protect gays.

So where is the EO from Obama to protect the "gay" causes on all levels?

 

[koshergrl]

It's not a place of public accommodation. It's a bakery, where they were ordering a cake to be provided to them at a different location.

They were never denied patronage, and they were never told to leave the shop.

 

[Kosh]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

I believe that has been their position, yes.

ORS 659A.403 - Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited - 2013 Oregon Revised Statutes

More far left propaganda where they can not connect their propaganda to reality..

 

[NYcarbineer]

Pike church takes stand against interracial couples Faith Values Kentucky.com

Now if members of that congregation want to extend that RELIGIOUS belief to their businesses?

yes or no?

 

[koshergrl]

"A new YouGov poll finds that two-thirds (65%).... find the bakery's refusal to provide the service acceptable. "

YouGov Public sides with bakery in gay cake row

 

[Seawytch]

Poll shows that 85% of American think photographers, bakers, etc., can refuse blatantly homosexual clients without fear of attacks

Business owners and employees should never be threatened with legal action for abiding by the tenets of their faith.

Poll shows that 85 of American think photographers bakers etc. can refuse blatantly homosexual clients without fear of attacks Fr. Z s Blog

Yours is older than mine. Rasmussen 2013, Pew 2014.

 

[Seawytch]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

Only until it's something they don't like...like protecting tax paying gay Americans from discrimination in public accommodations.

They're totally cool with religion being protected at the Federal level though...

Violates the constitution.

What does?

 

[Kosh]

Pike church takes stand against interracial couples Faith Values Kentucky.com

Now if members of that congregation want to extend that RELIGIOUS belief to their businesses?

yes or no?

Where is the EO from Obama?

 

[Seawytch]

It's not a place of public accommodation. It's a bakery, where they were ordering a cake to be provided to them at a different location.

They were never denied patronage, and they were never told to leave the shop.

A bakery is a place of public accommodation. The couple ordered a cake, just like any couple. It was denied THIS couple. Because they were gay...which violates the state's PA law.

If they had refused to bake a cake for a Jewish wedding, they would be in violation of Federal law. Go after the Federal law first. States Rights!!!!

 

[koshergrl]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

Only until it's something they don't like...like protecting tax paying gay Americans from discrimination in public accommodations.

They're totally cool with religion being protected at the Federal level though...

Violates the constitution.

What does?

Forcing businesses to commit sacrilege in order to stay in business.

 

[koshergrl]

It's not a place of public accommodation. It's a bakery, where they were ordering a cake to be provided to them at a different location.

They were never denied patronage, and they were never told to leave the shop.

A bakery is a place of public accommodation. The couple ordered a cake, just like any couple. It was denied THIS couple. Because they were gay...which violates the state's PA law.

If they had refused to bake a cake for a Jewish wedding, they would be in violation of Federal law. Go after the Federal law first. States Rights!!!!

Don't you have a foodstamp appointment to rush off to? Or some sort of counseling session?
Loudmouthed lezbos are annoying.

 

[koshergrl]

"While finding that Americans narrowly favor allowing gay and lesbian couples to legally marry, a new Associated Press-GfK poll also shows most believe wedding-related businesses should be allowed to deny service to same-sex couples for religious reasons."

News from The Associated Press

 

[Seawytch]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

Only until it's something they don't like...like protecting tax paying gay Americans from discrimination in public accommodations.

They're totally cool with religion being protected at the Federal level though...

Violates the constitution.

What does?

Forcing businesses to commit sacrilege in order to stay in business.

So what court case determined that? You know, the SCOTUS had the opportunity to rule on one of these cases. You'd think they would have taken it up instead of leaving the lower court ruling in place if it's soooooo unconstitutional.

Supreme Court Declines To Hear New Mexico Gay Wedding Photography Case

 

[koshergrl]

"...57 percent of Americans who said wedding-related businesses - such as florists - should be allowed to refuse service if they have an objection rooted in their religion."

News from The Associated Press

 

[koshergrl]

"... About a quarter of those who favor legal same-sex marriage also favor religious exemptions for those who issue marriage licenses, the poll finds, and a third say wedding-related businesses should be allowed to refuse service."

News from The Associated Press

 

[Carla_Danger]

"A new YouGov poll finds that two-thirds (65%).... find the bakery's refusal to provide the service acceptable. "

YouGov Public sides with bakery in gay cake row

That's UK News.

 

[bodecea]

Go ahead and post those polls...

Already did.

Sure you did.

Wowza, it's right above your head.

Says the far left drone!

One of the meanings of "drone" is someone who unthinkingly says the same thing over and over and over again.

 

[koshergrl]

"“The U.S. Supreme Court has never found that sexual orientation is a status equivalent to race. In fact, the high court has twice held that the First Amendment bars the government from relying on sexual orientation nondiscrimination laws to force people or groups to speak messages with which they disagree,” said the ADF statement."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/12/colorado-cake-case-pits-religion-against-tolerance/#ixzz3RebPR3es

 

[Ravi]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

Only until it's something they don't like...like protecting tax paying gay Americans from discrimination in public accommodations.

They're totally cool with religion being protected at the Federal level though...

Violates the constitution.

What does?

Forcing businesses to commit sacrilege in order to stay in business.

A cake isn't a sacred object.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Wasn't the old position of most conservatives that these matters should be left up to the states?

Only until it's something they don't like...like protecting tax paying gay Americans from discrimination in public accommodations.

They're totally cool with religion being protected at the Federal level though...

Violates the constitution.

What does?

Forcing businesses to commit sacrilege in order to stay in business.

Don't go into business where the law requires you to commit sacrilege.

Muslim cab drivers in St. Paul, MN refused to take fares if they were carrying alcohol. They lost in court.