No Cake for You

[NYcarbineer]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.

these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".

BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.

You can't go into MacDonald's and order a kosher hamburger and sue them if they won't provide it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.

these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".

BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.

How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'

And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.

It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.

Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.

 

[NLT]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.

these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".

BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.

I'm kind of curious where the Bible says ""Gays shall die with fire aids".

It doesn't as far as I know, I am not a Christian. But I do see gays going targeting Christian business's

 

[NLT]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

In any event, this completely misses the point. The issue has nothing to do with what's written on a cake, the issue concerns business owners refusing to accommodate gay patrons based solely on the patrons' sexual orientation, where public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination in no way 'violate' religious liberty.

Business owners who sell to the general public are subject to all manner of necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory policies that don't 'violate' religious liberty, public accommodations laws are no different.

So If I am a Christian and go to a gay bakery, do they have to bake and deliver a cake to my church?

 

[squeeze berry]

The bakers, AS CHRISTIANS, should have sold the gay couple their cake, and done so graciously...THAT was their duty and this is what Christ taught.... over and over and over again....it was the outcasts, the sinners that Jesus spent His time with... The very people the Pharisees, the supposed religious rejected...the tax collector sinners, the adulterous, the Samaritans etc....and through His love and graciousness, He won them over....

No. They believe it's a sin to participate in a gay wedding, which makes it is a sin for them.

Romans 14

"12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves.

23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin."

Yeah, well, these people believe a certain other form of marriage is a sin:

Pike church takes stand against interracial couples

Pike church takes stand against interracial couples Faith Values Kentucky.com

Make the argument that the business owner/operator members of this congregation should be able to discriminate against interracial couples because its their religious belief.

Let's hear it.

Anyone? Anything other than stunned silence from you experts on what is or isn't allowable discrimination?

affirmative action

 

[NLT]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.

these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".

BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.

How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'

And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.

It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.

Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.

How would I know a gay bakery?the same way gays figure out a Christian bakery to target.

 

[JoeB131]

It doesn't as far as I know, I am not a Christian. But I do see gays going targeting Christian business's

You mean making them obey the laws that are on the books is targeting them.

Here's a way the Christians get around that. "We will bake your Gay wedding cake, and all proceeds will be donated to Gay Conversion Therapy". That way, they aren't breaking the law and they are putting the gays in the position of supporting causes they hate.

Problem. Solved.

 

[JoeB131]

So If I am a Christian and go to a gay bakery, do they have to bake and deliver a cake to my church?

If their services included baking cakes and delivering them- yes.

 

[MaxGrit]

The bakers, AS CHRISTIANS, should have sold the gay couple their cake, and done so graciously...THAT was their duty and this is what Christ taught.... over and over and over again....it was the outcasts, the sinners that Jesus spent His time with... The very people the Pharisees, the supposed religious rejected...the tax collector sinners, the adulterous, the Samaritans etc....and through His love and graciousness, He won them over....

Colossians 4:5-6, Proper conduct towards unbelievers
by Matt Slick
"Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone," Col. 4:5-6(NIV)

How do you behave with and toward unbelievers? Do you like them? Do you hate them? Do you tolerate them? Are you concerned about their salvation? Do you act like them when you aren't in Christian company? Do you snub them if they aren't holy? Some Christians think that being kind to unbelievers is like throwing pearls before swine. Then there are Christians who stand on street corners, in malls, and in front of abortion clinics to witness to unbelievers. Others just don't care one way or another. Where do you fit in? Do you share your faith using hugs or headlocks? Honey or a hammer? Or do you even share your faith at all?

The Word of God is very specific about how you as a Christian are to conduct yourself toward the non-Christian. Turn with me to Col. 4:5-6 and we will read together what God wants you, as a Christian, to do.

The literal translation of Col. 4:5-6 is

In wisdom, walk toward the ones outside, redeeming the time. Let your word be always in grace, having been seasoned with salt, to know how it is necessary for each one of you to answer.

1. God wants you to conduct yourselves with wisdom toward unbelievers, v. 5
   1. First of all, before anything else is said, we need to focus on something very important: the cross of Christ.
      1. It is because of the cross and our redemption found there that we are able to seek to be wise and good towards unbelievers.
      2. The sacrifice of Christ has cleansed us from our sins, forgiven us our trespasses, and enabled us to be gracious and kind by changing us. As we were once against God in our unbelief, God was gracious and kind to us. Because of Jesus we are to be kind to others.
   2. Literally the Greek says to "walk in wisdom toward outsiders."
      1. To the Jew every non-Jew was an outsider. To the Christian, every non Christian is an outsider; that is, outside the church. Outside of a relationship with the Lord Jesus.
      2. The context of the church: "In the days of the early church believers were often slandered by these outsiders. Christians were called atheists because they served no visible gods, unpatriotic because they did not burn incense before the image of the emperor, and immoral because, of necessity, they would often meet behind locked doors."
      3. Today there is still an attack on the church. Christians are called bigots because they condemn homosexuality, intolerant because they oppose abortion, religious extremists because they condemn sin, and narrow-minded because they believe there is one "one faith, one Lord, and one baptism" (Eph. 4:5).
      4. Yet, in spite of these attacks we are to remain humble, loving, caring, kind, and gentle. If we are not, if we do not show love and forbearance in the face of cruelty, insult, intolerance, and ridicule, then you are not showing the world that we know Jesus?
   3. That is why it is so important to have wise conduct before unbelievers.
      1. One reason is so you aren't made a fool.
      2. The reputation of the gospel depends on you.
      3. The world judges Christianity by what it sees in you.
         1. 1. Are you representing it well with kindness, holiness, consistent reverence to the Lord?
      4. Also, unfortunately, the world judges Christianity by what it sees on television where lies about Christians and Christianity are broadcast as the pagans version of the "gospel truth." All the more reason to live holy lives.
         1. 1. I remember years ago watching Miami vice. It opened with two Christians preaching. There was this bad guy who tripped and fell at the feet of two "Christians" who had Bibles and had been preaching. When the bad guy fell at their feet, the Christians started hitting him with their Bibles, kicking him, and yelling mean things at him.
            2. On another show, "Renegade" there was coffee house scene where a Christian couple behaved rudely, bigoted, cowardly, and stupid.
      5. Nevertheless, in spite of the insults, you are to be wise.
   4. God wants your conduct to be with wisdom. This conduct is your manner of behavior. This means you are to be
      1. sympathetic (this could be in counseling, listening, etc.)
      2. compassionate and humble (1 Pet. 3:8).
         1. "To sum up, let all be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit;"
      3. loving
         1. "Don't repay evil for evil, or insult with insult, but with blessing repay the evil cast at you" (1 Pet. 3:9).
      4. patient - you are to be considerate and lonsuffering with the unbeliever.
      5. know when not to speak
         1. That is often one of the hardest things to do. It is so often the best thing to simply listen to a person and wait for a better opportunity.
      6. If your conduct is indeed with wisdom, then the name of Christ will not be maligned.
         1. The unbeliever will have no basis to mock Christ, His church, or His people.
         2. And, he may be brought into the fold of Christ.
2. God wants you to make the most of the opportunity with unbelievers, v. 5
   1. Literally the Greek says "redeeming the time," or "buying up the opportunity." The sense then would be "Do not just sit there and wait for opportunity to fall into your lap, but go after it. Yes, buy it."
   2. There is definitely a time to be aggressive in your relationship with an unbeliever.
   3. I would hope that as Christians you would not become complacent about evangelism. God uses the Gospel to call His people out of the world.
   4. The time is short and the world is evil: Ephesians 5:15-17 says, "Be very careful, then, how you live -- not as unwise but as wise, 16making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is."
3. God wants you to let your speech to always be gracious with unbelievers, v. 6
   1. Paul is asking the Colossians to be careful with their tongues.
      1. Careful when they speak in public and private, no gossip.
      2. Careful when they speak to an equal or someone in power, no slander.
      3. Careful when they speak to the poor and the rich, no favoritism.
      4. Careful not only when speaking of the gospel but also when speaking of the weather, the economy, politicians, the authorities.
         1. In all your conversation be good.
   2. Gracious: God wants you to be careful, gracious, kind in your speech.
      1. Grace is getting what you do not deserve. Give them kindness, love, compassion, and patience.
   3. And note the word "always."
      1. In all situations at all times.
         1. playing a sport, watching a movie, driving, shopping, business, in church, out of church, at work....
   4. Being gracious means to be kind, gentle, positive, helpful, and insightful.
   5. A further description of this kind of gracious speech is: seasoned with salt, v. 6.
      1. Those whom the Lord calls "the salt of the earth" (Matt. 5:13) must not be tasteless.
      2. I work at a place where all the people around me are unbelievers. Their conversations are often vile, crass, filled with not so clean jokes. All to get that sense of belonging and being "in" with the rest of the group..
      3. Don't be like the ungodly around you.
      4. Salt prevents corruption.
         1. Elsewhere Paul said, "Do not let any corrupt talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen" (Eph. 4:29).
4. God wants you to know how to answer everyone, v. 6.
   1. Speak the right word and the right time to the right person.
      1. 1 Pet. 3:15 says, "But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect."
   2. Part of having answers means being wise.
      1. Proverbs, as well as the rest of Scripture, is the only source of true wisdom. With wisdom you will be properly be able to answer in times of counseling and heartache, joy and sorrow, and in times when morality is an issue.
   3. Part of having answers means knowing doctrine.
      1. The Catechisms are excellent teachers of doctrine.
      2. Know the doctrine of the Trinity, the deity of Christ and of the Holy Spirit, the gospel message, the resurrection, the return of Christ, and the rest of what the Bible teaches.
   4. Part of having answers means studying difficult issues.
      1. Study evolution, cults, and other religions.
      2. You don't have to master them, just be familiar with them.
5. And don't forget, in your wisdom and grace toward them, pray for them.
   1. They need to be granted the faith that God gives (John 6:28ff)
   2. They need to be granted the repentance that God gives (2 Tim. 2:25).
   3. They need to be granted the belief that God gives (Phil. 1:29).
   4. You can make a difference in your prayers (James 5:16).
      1. A...The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much."

Conclusion

So what difference do these verses make in your lives? Plenty. Your conduct and speech before an unbeliever is vitally important. Your conduct should be with wisdom, your speech with grace.

I know a Christian who years ago worked with an unbeliever. For two years, this Christian answered the unbelievers questions; he was gentle and kind in his conduct in all situations and always tried to point his friend to Christ. He sought to be wise and gracious. Today that unbeliever has become a pastor. The Lord used that Christian, his wise conduct, his gracious speech, to help bring another into His kingdom. To Jesus be the glory. Amen.

Funny, you quote the bible, but do nothing it says. Nothing.

Distorting the meaning of God's Word is an old trick from the devil's sinbook.

Matthew 4 (ESV)

1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And after fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 And the tempter came and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But he answered, “It is written,

“‘Man shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.’”

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6 and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’
and
“‘On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’” 8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory. 9 And he said to him, “All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him, “Be gone, Satan! For it is written,

“‘You shall worship the Lord your God
and him only shall you serve.’”

11 Then the devil left him, and behold, angels came and were ministering to him.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If your sole purpose is to destroy a business instead of giving them business, then you are taking place in militant activism. You are purposefully targeting someone in order to expose and destroy them because of a difference in beliefs. You have crossed the line from holding a mere opinion to using that opinion to inflict damage on other individuals. I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one moment those two ladies had any intention of buying a cake. The law is clear, but the intent was not commercial.

Intent of a law? Would you free all the criminals sent to jail because laws used against them violated the intent of the law? start with gangs and mafias and the RICO act.

you're parading your ignorance around is getting to be boring. The embarrassment felt for you has worn it's way...

 

[Ravi]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

In any event, this completely misses the point. The issue has nothing to do with what's written on a cake, the issue concerns business owners refusing to accommodate gay patrons based solely on the patrons' sexual orientation, where public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination in no way 'violate' religious liberty.

Business owners who sell to the general public are subject to all manner of necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory policies that don't 'violate' religious liberty, public accommodations laws are no different.

So If I am a Christian and go to a gay bakery, do they have to bake and deliver a cake to my church?

No. But the reason they refuse you can't be because you are Christian.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

In any event, this completely misses the point. The issue has nothing to do with what's written on a cake, the issue concerns business owners refusing to accommodate gay patrons based solely on the patrons' sexual orientation, where public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination in no way 'violate' religious liberty.

Business owners who sell to the general public are subject to all manner of necessary, proper, and Constitutional regulatory policies that don't 'violate' religious liberty, public accommodations laws are no different.

So If I am a Christian and go to a gay bakery, do they have to bake and deliver a cake to my church?

No. But the reason they refuse you can't be because you are Christian.

they could say they are too busy to take your order.

It appears it was the bakery that made it a political and legal issue.

 

[MaxGrit]

The bakers, AS CHRISTIANS, should have sold the gay couple their cake, and done so graciously...THAT was their duty and this is what Christ taught.... over and over and over again....it was the outcasts, the sinners that Jesus spent His time with... The very people the Pharisees, the supposed religious rejected...the tax collector sinners, the adulterous, the Samaritans etc....and through His love and graciousness, He won them over....

No. They believe it's a sin to participate in a gay wedding, which makes it is a sin for them.

Romans 14

"12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.

14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves.

23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin."

I disagree that this passage means what you seem to think it does. The lesson in these passages is quite the OPPOSITE of what you contend....

and Baking a cake for a wedding RECEPTION is NOT participating or agreeing with this wedding of the gay couple.... this Bakery couple can still hold their beliefs that marriage is between a man and a woman....it would not be a sin for them to bake a cake.....

Distorting the meaning of God's Word is an old trick from the devil's sinbook.

I quoted an example of the trick used by Care4All.

More examples of the trick used by Satan:

Matthew 4 (ESV)

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and set him on the pinnacle of the temple 6 and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written,

“‘He will command his angels concerning you,’
and
“‘On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.’”

7 Jesus said to him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.’”

Genesis 3 (ESV)

Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’”

But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

 

[kaz]

If you could, you people would put cameras in people's bedrooms.

What an idiot, and you probably actually believe that don't you?

 

[kaz]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?

Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it

 

[Carla_Danger]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?

Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it

The bakers were the ones being intolerant, and it just so happens, people don't have to tolerate intolerance. And in Oregon, its against the law to discriminate. So sad.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?

Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it

Who says these people were in their right minds? Oh maybe you do when you postulate that they had a political agenda.

Liberals? there you go again... You have no idea what Dante would have done. I support the law. I think people should choose their battles. I also think the cake bakery started trouble thinking they were in the right. All they had to do was say they were busy. In order to say they were discriminating you'd have to have more than a few cases where they treated gay couples differently

 

[kaz]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?

Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it

The bakers were the ones being intolerant, and it just so happens, people don't have to tolerate intolerance. And in Oregon, its against the law to discriminate. So sad.

What's sad is someone using Carla Danger as their user name. I guess you are really into weiner aren't you? You into Barney Franks and Lyndon Johnson too? What about I hate "the N word?" You'd bake that too?

So if you owned a bakery and you were asked to make a cake that said "Death To Muslims" or "Liberals are Vermin" or "Hitler Lives" or "Jews are Dogs" you'd bake it and shut up?

Government is there to protect us. Only an oppressive governments use force to compel it's citizens to do do what government decides they should do. But you are an authoritarian leftist, not a liberal. I am a libertarian, I'm a true liberal.

 

[kaz]

I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.

Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.

Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?

Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it

Who says these people were in their right minds? Oh maybe you do when you postulate that they had a political agenda.

Liberals? there you go again... You have no idea what Dante would have done. I support the law. I think people should choose their battles. I also think the cake bakery started trouble thinking they were in the right. All they had to do was say they were busy. In order to say they were discriminating you'd have to have more than a few cases where they treated gay couples differently

Dante didn't notice that kaz's question was actually for Clayton, kaz didn't say what Dante would do. kaz replied to Clayton who actually expressed his view it's legitimate use of government guns to force it's citizens to bake cakes. That is idiotic.

kaz doesn't understand Dante's statement though that when the gays cried discrimination, it was the bakery who made it a political issue. They could have gone to any of the endless bakeries who don't care who they sleep with.

kaz likes the competitors of his business to discriminate, it's more work for kaz's business.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

MAXGRIT SAID:

“Distorting the meaning of God's Word is an old trick from the devil's sinbook.”

You've got to be kidding.

This illustrates why subjective religious dogma is legally irrelevant, and thankfully so.