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How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic.I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
So says Junior who would indeed force his lifestyle and religion on others.
No kidding. This is incredibly ignorant and hypocritical, even for Junior.
IMO, all groups of people should have equal protection under the law. Further, businesses should not forced to serve one group but be allowed to discriminate against another.
All the baker had to do was say they couldn't handle the order. Who made being gay a divisive issue?Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?
Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it
Who says these people were in their right minds? Oh maybe you do when you postulate that they had a political agenda.
Liberals? there you go again... You have no idea what Dante would have done. I support the law. I think people should choose their battles. I also think the cake bakery started trouble thinking they were in the right. All they had to do was say they were busy. In order to say they were discriminating you'd have to have more than a few cases where they treated gay couples differently
Dante didn't notice that kaz's question was actually for Clayton, kaz didn't say what Dante would do. kaz replied to Clayton who actually expressed his view it's legitimate use of government guns to force it's citizens to bake cakes. That is idiotic.
kaz doesn't understand Dante's statement though that when the gays cried discrimination, it was the bakery who made it a political issue. They could have gone to any of the endless bakeries who don't care who they sleep with.
kaz likes the competitors of his business to discriminate, it's more work for kaz's business.
Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
Really? They ask the state for a license to operate, to sell cakes to the public. Bakers could refuse orders. Bakers cannot discriminate in public the way you would want...Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic.I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
So says Junior who would indeed force his lifestyle and religion on others.
No kidding. This is incredibly ignorant and hypocritical, even for Junior.
IMO, all groups of people should have equal protection under the law. Further, businesses should not forced to serve one group but be allowed to discriminate against another.
Homosexual bakers should have every right to not bake a cake for heterosexual weddings.
Failing to find someone to bake your cake for you does not destroy your life nor your beliefs.
If it does, it says more about you and less about the baker.
No one has to pretend. It is all public knowledge. :rol:Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
I won't pretend to know their beliefs, unlike some.
No one has to pretend. It is all public knowledge. :rol:Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
I won't pretend to know their beliefs, unlike some.
All the baker had to do was say they couldn't handle the order. Who made being gay a divisive issue?
If the couple targeted the bakery, that is no crime. It's political. Is KAZ saying there isn't political issues in America surrounding people being gay?
Really? They ask the state for a license to operate, to sell cakes to the public. Bakers could refuse orders. Bakers cannot discriminate in public the way you would want...Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic.I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
So says Junior who would indeed force his lifestyle and religion on others.
No kidding. This is incredibly ignorant and hypocritical, even for Junior.
IMO, all groups of people should have equal protection under the law. Further, businesses should not forced to serve one group but be allowed to discriminate against another.
Homosexual bakers should have every right to not bake a cake for heterosexual weddings.
Failing to find someone to bake your cake for you does not destroy your life nor your beliefs.
If it does, it says more about you and less about the baker.
We are a nation of laws. If you follow the link below, you will be educated on what you are talking about
What is a Public Accommodation?
Federal and state laws prohibit discrimination against certain protected groups in businesses and places that are considered "public accommodations." The definition of a "public accommodation" may vary depending upon the law at issue (i.e. federal or state), and the type of discrimination involved (i.e. race discrimination or disability discrimination). Generally speaking, it may help to think of public accommodations as most (but not all) businesses or buildings that are open to (or offer services to) the general public. More specifically, the definition of a "public accommodation" can be broken down into two types of businesses / facilities:
- See more at: Discrimination in Public Accommodations - FindLaw
- Government-owned/operated facilities, services, and buildings
- Privately-owned/operated businesses, services, and buildings
really? Wow!Really? They ask the state for a license to operate, to sell cakes to the public. Bakers could refuse orders. Bakers cannot discriminate in public the way you would want...Call me a homophobe, a bigot, ignorant, stupid, misguided or whatever you like, but that is my observation on this topic.I don't hate gay people, but I don't like the ones who would force other people to accept their lifestyle. I mean, if the act of forcing your religious beliefs on others is wrong, just imagine how they feel when the same is done to them! Behavior like such is only self serving and only widens the chasm between supporters and opposition. It breeds more hatred than understanding. If respect and acceptance is the goal, then one must strive to show it also. The double edged sword sitting next to me would agree.
So says Junior who would indeed force his lifestyle and religion on others.
No kidding. This is incredibly ignorant and hypocritical, even for Junior.
IMO, all groups of people should have equal protection under the law. Further, businesses should not forced to serve one group but be allowed to discriminate against another.
Homosexual bakers should have every right to not bake a cake for heterosexual weddings.
Failing to find someone to bake your cake for you does not destroy your life nor your beliefs.
If it does, it says more about you and less about the baker.
We are a nation of laws. If you follow the link below, you will be educated on what you are talking about
What is a Public Accommodation?
Federal and state laws prohibit discrimination against certain protected groups in businesses and places that are considered "public accommodations." The definition of a "public accommodation" may vary depending upon the law at issue (i.e. federal or state), and the type of discrimination involved (i.e. race discrimination or disability discrimination). Generally speaking, it may help to think of public accommodations as most (but not all) businesses or buildings that are open to (or offer services to) the general public. More specifically, the definition of a "public accommodation" can be broken down into two types of businesses / facilities:
- See more at: Discrimination in Public Accommodations - FindLaw
- Government-owned/operated facilities, services, and buildings
- Privately-owned/operated businesses, services, and buildings
The answer to my post is the first word of yours.
Really
Either stupid or people deciding to exercise their rights under the laws of the land.All the baker had to do was say they couldn't handle the order. Who made being gay a divisive issue?
Both of them. The baker was being an ass by saying that, no doubt. But the couple by not walking out of the bakery, saying what a dick, and walking across the street to another baker who doesn't give a shit who they sleep with clearly were doing it for divisive politics, they wanted to force the prick to bake a cake. That's just stupid.
If the couple targeted the bakery, that is no crime. It's political. Is KAZ saying there isn't political issues in America surrounding people being gay?
No, how does oppose government using force to compel it's citizens to bake each other cakes remotely imply that?
Any religion that has a rule against baking a cake for a gay couple must be a very new religionNo one has to pretend. It is all public knowledge. :rol:Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
I won't pretend to know their beliefs, unlike some.
Your last question proves you to be a liar, you think you know what their "religion states" and your opinion means nothing, their opinion is the only one that counts.
Any religion that has a rule against baking a cake for a gay couple must be a very new religionNo one has to pretend. It is all public knowledge. :rol:Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
I won't pretend to know their beliefs, unlike some.
Your last question proves you to be a liar, you think you know what their "religion states" and your opinion means nothing, their opinion is the only one that counts.
Why would anyone in his right mind request such a cake in the first place.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
Why would anyone in their right mind force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding when there is a phone book full of people who would gladly bake it for them?
Liberals are so full of intolerance yet you grasp none of it
The bakers were the ones being intolerant, and it just so happens, people don't have to tolerate intolerance. And in Oregon, its against the law to discriminate. So sad.
What's sad is someone using Carla Danger as their user name. I guess you are really into weiner aren't you? You into Barney Franks and Lyndon Johnson too? What about I hate "the N word?" You'd bake that too?
So if you owned a bakery and you were asked to make a cake that said "Death To Muslims" or "Liberals are Vermin" or "Hitler Lives" or "Jews are Dogs" you'd bake it and shut up?
Government is there to protect us. Only an oppressive governments use force to compel it's citizens to do do what government decides they should do. But you are an authoritarian leftist, not a liberal. I am a libertarian, I'm a true liberal.
How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
I won't pretend to know their beliefs, unlike some.
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Every business owner has their own beliefs, their own convictions, and suddenly they have to sacrifice them just to run a business in compliance with the law, and yes, sacrifices must be made. But here's the catch: that's wrong. There is something woefully wrong. Yes, the law is important, and rules are rules; don't misunderstand me here.
How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.I wonder if I go to a gay bakery and want a cake with "Gays shall die with fire aids"on it. Do you think the gay owners will bake it for me and deliver it to the Anti-gay marriage meeting I am hosting? I think not.
It depends, did they offer 'We will Print your Homophobic Cake" as a service that they offer? then probably not.
these bakers said they provide wedding cakes. It's a very specific service. Not "We'll provide Wedding Cakes, just not to you because we are selectively reading a bible".
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
Why don't you idiots ever read the link in the OP?
Sweet Cakes Bakery agreed to make an out of wedlock baby cake, a stem-cell success cake, and a "divorce party" cake, which is a violation of their stated religious beliefs. Hypocrite much?
Their religion states they cannot make cakes for gay weddings?How would you know a bakery is 'gay.'BS it has all ready happened. They cant have their cake and eat it too. If I want to target a gay bakery that makes any kind of cake and have a Christian message on it, they must bake it for me or get sued.
And a 'gay baker' is likely Christian as well, and would have no problem writing a 'Christian message' on a cake.
It's amusing and telling that you and many other rightists perceive gay Americans as being 'anti-Christian,' when in fact the vast majority of gay Americans are Christian. This fact also calls into question the validity that to accommodate gay patrons is a 'sin' when so many gay Americans are in fact Christian.
Consequently, for a Christian baker to refuse to accommodate a gay patron has nothing to do with 'religious liberty' and everything to do with an unwarranted fear and hatred of gays and a desire to discriminate against gay Americans motivated solely by that ignorance and hate, rendering public accommodations laws prohibiting such discrimination necessary and proper.
What a crock of crap, you pretend to know the hearts of people you've never met, your opinions are not facts, just your opinions.
You say you're all about case law, yet when the supreme court says closely held companies can't be required to abandon their religious beliefs you ignore it. Hypocrite much?
I won't pretend to know their beliefs, unlike some.
Then maybe you could point out where in "any" Christian Bible it says it's a sin to bake a cake for a gay wedding.
