"No Longer Unthinkable: Should US Ready For ‘Limited’ Nuclear War?"

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"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
 
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"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Limited nuclear war????? ........................... How can that be possible? Exactly how can any nuclear war be "LIMITED" unless everyone runs out of nuclear weapons?
 
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"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Limited nuclear war????? ........................... How can that be possible? Exactly how can any nuclear war be "LIMITED" unless everyone runs out of nuclear weapons?

Excellent point. The only possible way there could be a "limited" action would be if a country (not previously accounted for) suddenly developed a device (as in Iran) and was able to somehow detonate it (most likely with Russia's help) in a country (Israel for example) and the rest of the world simply stood and watched - as in Obama.

This is precisely the scenario I am expecting.
 
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No Longer Unthinkable Should US Ready For Limited Nuclear War Breaking Defense - Defense industry news analysis and commentary













"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Limited nuclear war????? ........................... How can that be possible? Exactly how can any nuclear war be "LIMITED" unless everyone runs out of nuclear weapons?

Excellent point. The only possible way there could be a "limited" action would be if a country (not previously accounted for) suddenly developed a device (as in Iran) and was able to somehow detonate it (most likely with Russia's help) in a country (Israel for example) and the rest of the world simply stood and watched - as in Obama.

This is precisely the scenario I am expecting.
That's very possibly Obama's reaction. I wouldn't doubt it at all.
 
lefties will be annoyed while many righties will be expecting the possibility of nuke war !!
 
If anyone nuked Israel, Israel'd retaliate in-kind. What the US does is moot.

So I take it that you would be in favor of a "limited" nuclear war between Israel and Iran? Sounds like you.

I once stood on the Plains of Meggido and looked out across the country. Might I suggest you read the book of Revelations? You would be doing yourself a great favor. it is all laid out in front of you. And it is getting ready to come to fruition.

You think you'll be safe here in the US? Silly, silly boy......
 
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If anyone nuked Israel, Israel'd retaliate in-kind. What the US does is moot.

So I take it that you would be in favor of a "limited" nuclear war between Israel and Iran? Sounds like you.

I once stood on the Plains of Meggido and looked out across the country. Might I suggest you read the book or Revelations? You would be doing yourself a great favor. it is all laid out in front of you. And it is getting ready to come to fruition.

You think you'll be safe here in the US? Silly, silly boy......

Don't support using nuclear weapons at all, not even in retaliation. Bad enough one atmospheric detonation occured, not helping anyone downwind by retaliating. Should be enough to know Israel could very easily lay waste to all of Iran that they don't then need to. Iran would be the new DPRK completely cut-off from the rest of the world. Even her allies today would distance themselves. More gained by absorbing the hit and retaliating conventionally than via nuclear retaliation.
 
Actually I take that back. I support using nuclear weapons for planetary defense. But not against people. Big rocks yes.
 
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No Longer Unthinkable Should US Ready For Limited Nuclear War Breaking Defense - Defense industry news analysis and commentary













"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Wow, this article is astoundingly uninformed. U.S. forces aren't prepared for asymmetrical war (i.e., guerilla/terrorist warfare)? Utter hogwash. Our entire military strategy for the past 14 years has been to fight asymmetrically. Moreover this nonsense that we aren't somehow capable of countering the nukes of other countries is also, well, nonsense. Tactical nukes? Old hat. We invented them. This article reads like a propagandists ploy to frighten people into asking Congress to give more funding to the Military/Industrial complex.
 
Disturbing content follows. If one of the 'ignorance is bliss' people don't continue reading.

No Longer Unthinkable Should US Ready For Limited Nuclear War Breaking Defense - Defense industry news analysis and commentary













"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Wow, this article is astoundingly uninformed. U.S. forces aren't prepared for asymmetrical war (i.e., guerilla/terrorist warfare)? Utter hogwash. Our entire military strategy for the past 14 years has been to fight asymmetrically. Moreover this nonsense that we aren't somehow capable of countering the nukes of other countries is also, well, nonsense. Tactical nukes? Old hat. We invented them. This article reads like a propagandists ploy to frighten people into asking Congress to give more funding to the Military/Industrial complex.


You understand we lost in Iraq and Afganistan right?
 
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No Longer Unthinkable Should US Ready For Limited Nuclear War Breaking Defense - Defense industry news analysis and commentary













"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Wow, this article is astoundingly uninformed. U.S. forces aren't prepared for asymmetrical war (i.e., guerilla/terrorist warfare)? Utter hogwash. Our entire military strategy for the past 14 years has been to fight asymmetrically. Moreover this nonsense that we aren't somehow capable of countering the nukes of other countries is also, well, nonsense. Tactical nukes? Old hat. We invented them. This article reads like a propagandists ploy to frighten people into asking Congress to give more funding to the Military/Industrial complex.


You understand we lost in Iraq and Afganistan right?

What did we lose in either country? Both governments are still standing.
 
Limited nuclear war????? ........................... How can that be possible? Exactly how can any nuclear war be "LIMITED" unless everyone runs out of nuclear weapons?
North Korea launches 5 nuclear tipped ICBM at the US. We shoot down 4; one destroys most of Seattle.
We launch 5 nuclear-tipped cruise missiles at North Korea; we destroy North Korea.
Limited nuclear war.
 
well , the CIC has got to shoot back but would the current 'cic' shoot back M14??
 
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No Longer Unthinkable Should US Ready For Limited Nuclear War Breaking Defense - Defense industry news analysis and commentary













"Outside the US, both established and emerging nuclear powers increasingly see nuclear weapons as weapons that can be used in a controlled, limited, and strategically useful fashion, said Barry Watts, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, arguably the Pentagon’s favorite thinktank. The Cold War “firebreaks” between conventional and nuclear conflict are breaking down, he wrote in a recent report. Russia has not only developed new, relatively low-yield tactical nukes but also routinely wargamed their use to stop both NATO and Chinese conventional forces should they overrun Moscow’s feeble post-Soviet military, Watts said this morning at the headquarters of the Air Force Association. Pakistan is likewise developing tactical nukes to stop India’s much larger military. Iran seeks nuclear weapons not only to offset Israel’s but to deter and, in the last resort, fend off an American attempt to perform “regime change” in Tehran the way we did in Baghdad. The US Air Force and Navy concept of “AirSea Battle” in the Western Pacific could entail strikes on the Chinese mainland that might provoke a nuclear response.

It’s precisely because US conventional power is so overwhelming that the temptation to turn to nuclear weapons to redress the balance is so irresistible. Ten years ago, the Iraqis sidestepped American dominance in the middle of the spectrum of conflict – regular warfare with tanks, planes, and precision-guided non-nuclear weapons – by going low and waging guerrilla warfare, for which the US proved painfully unprepared. In the future, nuclear proliferation means more and more countries will have the option to sidestep US conventional power by going high and staging a “limited” nuclear attack, for which we aren’t really prepared either. Indeed, some countries, notably a nuclear Iran with its terrorist proxies and North Korea with its criminal ties and special operations forces, could outflank America’s conventional military from both sides at once."

Things like this has been why the US seems to suck at war lately. Our entire military is set up for a massive military vs military conflict. Not guerillas and non-uniformed forces like terrorists. Throw in tactical-yield nuclear weapons and all the gaming out of conflicts we've been doing for decades proves worthless. And as the 2nd graph above illustrates, our unprecedented military spending instead of deterring other countries is encouraging them to obtain nuclear weapons since they can't compete conventionally.

We're 3 minutes to Midnight on the Doomsday Clock.

"Continued lack of global political action to address global climate change, the modernization of nuclear weapons in the United States and Russia, and the problem of nuclear waste."
Doomsday Clock - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Wow, this article is astoundingly uninformed. U.S. forces aren't prepared for asymmetrical war (i.e., guerilla/terrorist warfare)? Utter hogwash. Our entire military strategy for the past 14 years has been to fight asymmetrically. Moreover this nonsense that we aren't somehow capable of countering the nukes of other countries is also, well, nonsense. Tactical nukes? Old hat. We invented them. This article reads like a propagandists ploy to frighten people into asking Congress to give more funding to the Military/Industrial complex.


You understand we lost in Iraq and Afganistan right?
And, we were badly defeated in Viet Nam.
 

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