No, Muslims Should NOT Be Allowed To Serve In Public Office

[WinterBorn]

It certainly does matter that the US recognizes it as a religion. And your personal definition of "Religion" is what does not matter. I am still asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.

Article 6 states there can be no religious test. What other countries say about Islam is irrelevant.

It's not my " personal definition of "Religion" , it is a definition taken from a very authoritative dictionary, and you know it. I've posted the source twice.

NO, you're NOT "asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.", because I've already given it to you twice. One that carries a code of ethics with a specific system of belief and worship. And for the 3rd time >> Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.

The USA's recognition of Islam as a religion is just wrong, and it doesn't matter if it does or not. Even if Islam was a religion, it would still be unconstitutional by virtue of its supremacism, in violation of the Constitution (article 6, Section 2, part 1), as well as its advocacy of things that violate US laws.

Ridiculous rightwing sophistry.

Attempting to claim that Islam is not a religion and therefore not entitled to Constitutional protections is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Indeed, both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause recognize citizens who are free from religion, where to practice no religion at all is protected by the First Amendment.

Also wrong is your understanding of the Supremacy Clause, having nothing whatsoever to do with “supremacism” or it being ‘un-Constitutional.’

Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause) codifies the fact that Federal laws and decisions by Federal courts are the supreme law of the land, and the states and local jurisdictions are subordinate to those laws and rulings.

The thread premise is nothing more than an example of the bigotry and hate common to most conservatives.

This post is nothing more than an example of the IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING from leftist media, common to most liberals,

1. The fact of Islam's masquerade as a religion, to shield themselves from criticism was already well explained in Post # 75 with no less than 25 links in support. Read and learn.

2. The claim that Article 6 Section 2 of the Constitution is only about federal power vs state is obviously wrong. That is in part 2 of Section 2. I referred to part 1 of the section (before the semicolon). That part of the section is EXACTLY about supremacism, which is why it contains the word "supreme"

For those too dumb (or too brainwashed ) to understand, I will separate Article 6, section 2's two parts (which contain 2 separate ideas) into different colors > Red for part 1, and blue for part 2

The use of the word "and" shows that 2 separate ideas are being expressed.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

The links in Post #75 are mostly meaningless. There are a handful of small or inconsequential nations that do not recognnize Islam as a religion. The only one of any significance is Italy. And that lack of recognition has nothing to do with Islam not being a religion and everything to do with denying Islam tax exempt status. Italy does not recognize the Hindu religion either. They do not deny either is a religion. They simply deny them religious tax exemptions.

Our constitution forbids having a religious test for holding office. And remember, the supremacy clause means the US Constitution is the law of the land.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Well the Christian's are still here, yet you say that now they (the KKK), don't enjoy that alledged level of support these days ?

Correct. Said very clearly. Multiple times.

What changed with the Christian's ??

Reform. It's now 100 years later, and far fewer christians are arguing for white supremacy using their religion. The bible itself did not change.

Kind of goes against your attempt to lump the Christian's in with the KKK doesn't it ??

That's not what I was attempting. In fact, it seems that, finally, after several pages, you are just now wrapping your mind around my very simple, clear points, as you just all but stated them back to me. You were so quick to get defensive about a point I wasn't making that you missed the simple point I made.

 

[WinterBorn]

Newsflash: Dictionaries are not laws, dumbass!

That makes ZERO SENSE, relative to what was being discussed. Maybe you'd be better off spending your time with table tennis. Pheeeeew! (high-pitched whistle)

You keep repeating this stupid idea that Islam is not a religion based on a dictionary definition. How fucking stupid are you?

We have neither the time nor the bandwidth to fully explain how stupid he is.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Our society has never lived according to gods law.

So....?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It certainly does matter that the US recognizes it as a religion. And your personal definition of "Religion" is what does not matter. I am still asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.

Article 6 states there can be no religious test. What other countries say about Islam is irrelevant.

It's not my " personal definition of "Religion" , it is a definition taken from a very authoritative dictionary, and you know it. I've posted the source twice.

NO, you're NOT "asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.", because I've already given it to you twice. One that carries a code of ethics with a specific system of belief and worship. And for the 3rd time >> Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.

The USA's recognition of Islam as a religion is just wrong, and it doesn't matter if it does or not. Even if Islam was a religion, it would still be unconstitutional by virtue of its supremacism, in violation of the Constitution (article 6, Section 2, part 1), as well as its advocacy of things that violate US laws.

Ridiculous rightwing sophistry.

Attempting to claim that Islam is not a religion and therefore not entitled to Constitutional protections is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Indeed, both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause recognize citizens who are free from religion, where to practice no religion at all is protected by the First Amendment.

Also wrong is your understanding of the Supremacy Clause, having nothing whatsoever to do with “supremacism” or it being ‘un-Constitutional.’

Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause) codifies the fact that Federal laws and decisions by Federal courts are the supreme law of the land, and the states and local jurisdictions are subordinate to those laws and rulings.

The thread premise is nothing more than an example of the bigotry and hate common to most conservatives.

This post is nothing more than an example of the IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING from leftist media, common to most liberals,

1. The fact of Islam's masquerade as a religion, to shield themselves from criticism was already well explained in Post # 75 with no less than 25 links in support. Read and learn.

2. The claim that Article 6 Section 2 of the Constitution is only about federal power vs state is obviously wrong. That is in part 2 of Section 2. I referred to part 1 of the section (before the semicolon). That part of the section is EXACTLY about supremacism, which is why it contains the word "supreme"

For those too dumb (or too brainwashed ) to understand, I will separate Article 6, section 2's two parts (which contain 2 separate ideas) into different colors > Red for part 1, and blue for part 2

The use of the word "and" shows that 2 separate ideas are being expressed.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

....Our constitution forbids having a religious test for holding office. And remember, the supremacy clause means the US Constitution is the law of the land.

LOL. Way to turn it around back on him but somehow I expect your comment to sail right over his head.

 

[Lastamender]

Warner Video: Why Won’t Muslims Assimilate?
What Islamic doctrine teaches about migration, domination and annihilation.

This is what Rigby says does not exist in Islamic doctrine. More proof he is an unreliable source and a liar.
Video at link.
Warner Video: Why Won’t Muslims Assimilate?

 

[beagle9]

Fool, Islam and Christianity both derive from Judaism.

HA ha ha. Does this deserve a response ? I ask you. Anyone around here may post. Should I dignify this joke with a response ? mmmm….Nah!

Well I'll give him a break. Hey IM2, a nice hairdo and cancer are both derived from the human body. Get it ?

You are just ignorant. Name one Islamic country that has invaded and colonized a western "Christian" nation.

Haha, what?
The Muslim Arabs of North-Africa invaded & colonized Spain / Portugal for about 800 years.
They did similar in Sicily.

Catholic Charles Martel stopped them in their tracks.

Well... Islamic Ottoman Turks invaded, and colonized the Balkans between Austria & the Byzantine.

Catholic Jan III Sobieski stopped them in their tracks.

There were others.
Islamic Tatars raided Europe for eons, even enslaved 4 million in Eastern Europe.
while
Islamic Ottoman Barbary Pirates of North-Africa raided, and enslaved 1.25 million Western Europeans.

The Golden Horde was largely comprised of Islamic groups of mostly a Turkic background from Central Asia, East Asia, and else where.

As a note, the American's here have become complacent, and they have become to accepting of all sorts of Anti-American cultural things from a far, and all the while these immigrated anti-American foriegners are hiding in plain sight amongst us these days, and they are using our own Constitution against us.

And worse they are being helped by anti-American's within, who are shockingly Americans that were born here. Go figure.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Fool, Islam and Christianity both derive from Judaism.

HA ha ha. Does this deserve a response ? I ask you. Anyone around here may post. Should I dignify this joke with a response ? mmmm….Nah!

Well I'll give him a break. Hey IM2, a nice hairdo and cancer are both derived from the human body. Get it ?

You are just ignorant. Name one Islamic country that has invaded and colonized a western "Christian" nation.

Haha, what?
The Muslim Arabs of North-Africa invaded & colonized Spain / Portugal for about 800 years.
They did similar in Sicily.

Catholic Charles Martel stopped them in their tracks.

Well... Islamic Ottoman Turks invaded, and colonized the Balkans between Austria & the Byzantine.

Catholic Jan III Sobieski stopped them in their tracks.

There were others.
Islamic Tatars raided Europe for eons, even enslaved 4 million in Eastern Europe.
while
Islamic Ottoman Barbary Pirates of North-Africa raided, and enslaved 1.25 million Western Europeans.

The Golden Horde was largely comprised of Islamic groups of mostly a Turkic background from Central Asia, East Asia, and else where.

As a note, the American's here have become complacent, and they have become to accepting of all sorts of Anti-American cultural things from a far, and all the while these immigrated anti-American foriegners are hiding in plain sight amongst us these days, and they are using our own Constitution against us.

And worse they are being helped by anti-American's within, who are shockingly Americans that were born here. Go figure.

Sure, and the anti-Americans are the Kosher Globalists, and their Collaborators.
They
are the ones who as Neocons created Muslim refugees.
They
are the ones who as Liberals accept Muslim refugees.
They
also are behind every American problem, being silencing free speech on social media, indoctrinating the masses into a Liberal stupor through media & public education, promoting, Hollywood Liberal, and degenerate smut, and shoot 'em up films, promoting& hiring Illegal Immigrants, outsourcing jobs to enemies like China, or Mexico, or Vietnam at our expense, or selling Pornography, and Abortion.

 

[beagle9]

It certainly does matter that the US recognizes it as a religion. And your personal definition of "Religion" is what does not matter. I am still asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.

Article 6 states there can be no religious test. What other countries say about Islam is irrelevant.

It's not my " personal definition of "Religion" , it is a definition taken from a very authoritative dictionary, and you know it. I've posted the source twice.

NO, you're NOT "asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.", because I've already given it to you twice. One that carries a code of ethics with a specific system of belief and worship. And for the 3rd time >> Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.

The USA's recognition of Islam as a religion is just wrong, and it doesn't matter if it does or not. Even if Islam was a religion, it would still be unconstitutional by virtue of its supremacism, in violation of the Constitution (article 6, Section 2, part 1), as well as its advocacy of things that violate US laws.

Ridiculous rightwing sophistry.

Attempting to claim that Islam is not a religion and therefore not entitled to Constitutional protections is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Indeed, both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause recognize citizens who are free from religion, where to practice no religion at all is protected by the First Amendment.

Also wrong is your understanding of the Supremacy Clause, having nothing whatsoever to do with “supremacism” or it being ‘un-Constitutional.’

Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause) codifies the fact that Federal laws and decisions by Federal courts are the supreme law of the land, and the states and local jurisdictions are subordinate to those laws and rulings.

The thread premise is nothing more than an example of the bigotry and hate common to most conservatives.

This post is nothing more than an example of the IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING from leftist media, common to most liberals,

1. The fact of Islam's masquerade as a religion, to shield themselves from criticism was already well explained in Post # 75 with no less than 25 links in support. Read and learn.

2. The claim that Article 6 Section 2 of the Constitution is only about federal power vs state is obviously wrong. That is in part 2 of Section 2. I referred to part 1 of the section (before the semicolon). That part of the section is EXACTLY about supremacism, which is why it contains the word "supreme"

For those too dumb (or too brainwashed ) to understand, I will separate Article 6, section 2's two parts (which contain 2 separate ideas) into different colors > Red for part 1, and blue for part 2

The use of the word "and" shows that 2 separate ideas are being expressed.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

The links in Post #75 are mostly meaningless. There are a handful of small or inconsequential nations that do not recognnize Islam as a religion. The only one of any significance is Italy. And that lack of recognition has nothing to do with Islam not being a religion and everything to do with denying Islam tax exempt status. Italy does not recognize the Hindu religion either. They do not deny either is a religion. They simply deny them religious tax exemptions.

Our constitution forbids having a religious test for holding office. And remember, the supremacy clause means the US Constitution is the law of the land.

Forbids a religious test sure, but that period in which that was written only encompassed religions that were compatible to our nation, and not any that were not compatible to our nation. So for Americans of the period there would be no religious test or challenge to the religions of the time by government to be brought against them, otherwise by using some sort of test to exclude those who were religious as American's. Foreigner's is an entire different situation, where as we aren't supposed to allow them to come here seeking to change our beliefs or religions or to push a religion upon us that is not compatible to our culture, beliefs or system here.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It certainly does matter that the US recognizes it as a religion. And your personal definition of "Religion" is what does not matter. I am still asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.

Article 6 states there can be no religious test. What other countries say about Islam is irrelevant.

It's not my " personal definition of "Religion" , it is a definition taken from a very authoritative dictionary, and you know it. I've posted the source twice.

NO, you're NOT "asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.", because I've already given it to you twice. One that carries a code of ethics with a specific system of belief and worship. And for the 3rd time >> Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.

The USA's recognition of Islam as a religion is just wrong, and it doesn't matter if it does or not. Even if Islam was a religion, it would still be unconstitutional by virtue of its supremacism, in violation of the Constitution (article 6, Section 2, part 1), as well as its advocacy of things that violate US laws.

Ridiculous rightwing sophistry.

Attempting to claim that Islam is not a religion and therefore not entitled to Constitutional protections is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Indeed, both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause recognize citizens who are free from religion, where to practice no religion at all is protected by the First Amendment.

Also wrong is your understanding of the Supremacy Clause, having nothing whatsoever to do with “supremacism” or it being ‘un-Constitutional.’

Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause) codifies the fact that Federal laws and decisions by Federal courts are the supreme law of the land, and the states and local jurisdictions are subordinate to those laws and rulings.

The thread premise is nothing more than an example of the bigotry and hate common to most conservatives.

This post is nothing more than an example of the IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING from leftist media, common to most liberals,

1. The fact of Islam's masquerade as a religion, to shield themselves from criticism was already well explained in Post # 75 with no less than 25 links in support. Read and learn.

2. The claim that Article 6 Section 2 of the Constitution is only about federal power vs state is obviously wrong. That is in part 2 of Section 2. I referred to part 1 of the section (before the semicolon). That part of the section is EXACTLY about supremacism, which is why it contains the word "supreme"

For those too dumb (or too brainwashed ) to understand, I will separate Article 6, section 2's two parts (which contain 2 separate ideas) into different colors > Red for part 1, and blue for part 2

The use of the word "and" shows that 2 separate ideas are being expressed.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

The links in Post #75 are mostly meaningless. There are a handful of small or inconsequential nations that do not recognnize Islam as a religion. The only one of any significance is Italy. And that lack of recognition has nothing to do with Islam not being a religion and everything to do with denying Islam tax exempt status. Italy does not recognize the Hindu religion either. They do not deny either is a religion. They simply deny them religious tax exemptions.

Our constitution forbids having a religious test for holding office. And remember, the supremacy clause means the US Constitution is the law of the land.

Forbids a religious test sure, but that period in which that was written only encompassed religions that were compatible to our nation, and not any that were not compatible to our nation. So for Americans of the period there would be no religious test or challenge to the religions of the time by government, otherwise by using some sort of test to exclude those who were religious as American's. Foreigner's is an entire different situation, where as we aren't supposed to allow them to come here seeking to change our beliefs or religions or to push a religion upon us that is not compatible to our culture, beliefs or system here.

Foreigners, of course, defined as anyone whose ancestors came here later than yours. Or something.

 

[Lastamender]

When Teddy Roosevelt Banned Muslims from America

A progressive hero.

Muslim immigration was still slight at the time and bans on polygamy had not been created to deliberately target them, but the Muslim practice of an act repulsive to most Americans even back then pitted their cries of discrimination and victimhood against the values of the nation. The Immigration Act of 1907 had been meant to select only those immigrants who would make good Americans.

And Muslims would not.

In his 1905 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt had spoken of the need “to keep out all immigrants who will not make good American citizens.”

Unlike modern presidents, Roosevelt did not view Islam as a force for good. Instead he had described Muslims as “enemies of civilization”, writing that, “The civilization of Europe, America and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization", praising Charles Martel and John Sobieski for throwing back the "Moslem conquerors" whose depredations had caused Christianity to have "practically vanished from the two continents."

 

[beagle9]

Fool, Islam and Christianity both derive from Judaism.

HA ha ha. Does this deserve a response ? I ask you. Anyone around here may post. Should I dignify this joke with a response ? mmmm….Nah!

Well I'll give him a break. Hey IM2, a nice hairdo and cancer are both derived from the human body. Get it ?

You are just ignorant. Name one Islamic country that has invaded and colonized a western "Christian" nation.

Haha, what?
The Muslim Arabs of North-Africa invaded & colonized Spain / Portugal for about 800 years.
They did similar in Sicily.

Catholic Charles Martel stopped them in their tracks.

Well... Islamic Ottoman Turks invaded, and colonized the Balkans between Austria & the Byzantine.

Catholic Jan III Sobieski stopped them in their tracks.

There were others.
Islamic Tatars raided Europe for eons, even enslaved 4 million in Eastern Europe.
while
Islamic Ottoman Barbary Pirates of North-Africa raided, and enslaved 1.25 million Western Europeans.

The Golden Horde was largely comprised of Islamic groups of mostly a Turkic background from Central Asia, East Asia, and else where.

As a note, the American's here have become complacent, and they have become to accepting of all sorts of Anti-American cultural things from a far, and all the while these immigrated anti-American foriegners are hiding in plain sight amongst us these days, and they are using our own Constitution against us.

And worse they are being helped by anti-American's within, who are shockingly Americans that were born here. Go figure.

Sure, and the anti-Americans are the Kosher Globalists, and their Collaborators.
They
are the ones who as Neocons created Muslim refugees.
They
are the ones who as Liberals accept Muslim refugees.
They
also are behind every American problem, being silencing free speech on social media, indoctrinating the masses into a Liberal stupor through media & public education, promoting, Hollywood Liberal, and degenerate smut, and shoot 'em up films, promoting& hiring Illegal Immigrants, outsourcing jobs to enemies like China, or Mexico, or Vietnam at our expense, or selling Pornography, and Abortion.

Good points.

 

[Dragonlady]

Fool, Islam and Christianity both derive from Judaism.

HA ha ha. Does this deserve a response ? I ask you. Anyone around here may post. Should I dignify this joke with a response ? mmmm….Nah!

Well I'll give him a break. Hey IM2, a nice hairdo and cancer are both derived from the human body. Get it ?

You are just ignorant. Name one Islamic country that has invaded and colonized a western "Christian" nation.

Haha, what?
The Muslim Arabs of North-Africa invaded & colonized Spain / Portugal for about 800 years.
They did similar in Sicily.

Catholic Charles Martel stopped them in their tracks.

Well... Islamic Ottoman Turks invaded, and colonized the Balkans between Austria & the Byzantine.

Catholic Jan III Sobieski stopped them in their tracks.

There were others.
Islamic Tatars raided Europe for eons, even enslaved 4 million in Eastern Europe.
while
Islamic Ottoman Barbary Pirates of North-Africa raided, and enslaved 1.25 million Western Europeans.

The Golden Horde was largely comprised of Islamic groups of mostly a Turkic background from Central Asia, East Asia, and else where.

As a note, the American's here have become complacent, and they have become to accepting of all sorts of Anti-American cultural things from a far, and all the while these immigrated anti-American foriegners are hiding in plain sight amongst us these days, and they are using our own Constitution against us.

And worse they are being helped by anti-American's within, who are shockingly Americans that were born here. Go figure.

There is no uniform “American Culture” to assimilate too. Are Bostonians and Louisiana Cajuns culturally similar? Texans aren’t like people from New England. Southerners are different from people in mid-west.

 

[beagle9]

It's not my " personal definition of "Religion" , it is a definition taken from a very authoritative dictionary, and you know it. I've posted the source twice.

NO, you're NOT "asking for a credible, documentable definition of "Religion" that excludes Islam and covers other religions.", because I've already given it to you twice. One that carries a code of ethics with a specific system of belief and worship. And for the 3rd time >> Webster's New World College Dictionary, 5th ed.

The USA's recognition of Islam as a religion is just wrong, and it doesn't matter if it does or not. Even if Islam was a religion, it would still be unconstitutional by virtue of its supremacism, in violation of the Constitution (article 6, Section 2, part 1), as well as its advocacy of things that violate US laws.

Ridiculous rightwing sophistry.

Attempting to claim that Islam is not a religion and therefore not entitled to Constitutional protections is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Indeed, both the Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clause recognize citizens who are free from religion, where to practice no religion at all is protected by the First Amendment.

Also wrong is your understanding of the Supremacy Clause, having nothing whatsoever to do with “supremacism” or it being ‘un-Constitutional.’

Article VI, Section 2 of the Constitution (the Supremacy Clause) codifies the fact that Federal laws and decisions by Federal courts are the supreme law of the land, and the states and local jurisdictions are subordinate to those laws and rulings.

The thread premise is nothing more than an example of the bigotry and hate common to most conservatives.

This post is nothing more than an example of the IGNORANCE and BRAINWASHING from leftist media, common to most liberals,

1. The fact of Islam's masquerade as a religion, to shield themselves from criticism was already well explained in Post # 75 with no less than 25 links in support. Read and learn.

2. The claim that Article 6 Section 2 of the Constitution is only about federal power vs state is obviously wrong. That is in part 2 of Section 2. I referred to part 1 of the section (before the semicolon). That part of the section is EXACTLY about supremacism, which is why it contains the word "supreme"

For those too dumb (or too brainwashed ) to understand, I will separate Article 6, section 2's two parts (which contain 2 separate ideas) into different colors > Red for part 1, and blue for part 2

The use of the word "and" shows that 2 separate ideas are being expressed.

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land;

and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

The links in Post #75 are mostly meaningless. There are a handful of small or inconsequential nations that do not recognnize Islam as a religion. The only one of any significance is Italy. And that lack of recognition has nothing to do with Islam not being a religion and everything to do with denying Islam tax exempt status. Italy does not recognize the Hindu religion either. They do not deny either is a religion. They simply deny them religious tax exemptions.

Our constitution forbids having a religious test for holding office. And remember, the supremacy clause means the US Constitution is the law of the land.

Forbids a religious test sure, but that period in which that was written only encompassed religions that were compatible to our nation, and not any that were not compatible to our nation. So for Americans of the period there would be no religious test or challenge to the religions of the time by government, otherwise by using some sort of test to exclude those who were religious as American's. Foreigner's is an entire different situation, where as we aren't supposed to allow them to come here seeking to change our beliefs or religions or to push a religion upon us that is not compatible to our culture, beliefs or system here.

Foreigners, of course, defined as anyone whose ancestors came here later than yours. Or something.

Nothing wrong with foriegners, as long as they don't undermine this nation or declare war on it from within. Nice try though.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

When Teddy Roosevelt Banned Muslims from America

A progressive hero.

Muslim immigration was still slight at the time and bans on polygamy had not been created to deliberately target them, but the Muslim practice of an act repulsive to most Americans even back then pitted their cries of discrimination and victimhood against the values of the nation. The Immigration Act of 1907 had been meant to select only those immigrants who would make good Americans.

And Muslims would not.

In his 1905 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt had spoken of the need “to keep out all immigrants who will not make good American citizens.”

Unlike modern presidents, Roosevelt did not view Islam as a force for good. Instead he had described Muslims as “enemies of civilization”, writing that, “The civilization of Europe, America and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization", praising Charles Martel and John Sobieski for throwing back the "Moslem conquerors" whose depredations had caused Christianity to have "practically vanished from the two continents."

Well, really, he banned and went after polygamy, along with signing thw immigration act, which barred those believing in the practice from entering. So, Muslims, and most Hindus at the time, too.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nice try though.

Thanks, it was an honest try. Was i wrong? What is, "foreigner"? Someone not yet a citizen? Wha?

Oh wait, I get it. We can just tell by looking at them or hearing their names, right? *wink wink*

 

[beagle9]

Fool, Islam and Christianity both derive from Judaism.

HA ha ha. Does this deserve a response ? I ask you. Anyone around here may post. Should I dignify this joke with a response ? mmmm….Nah!

Well I'll give him a break. Hey IM2, a nice hairdo and cancer are both derived from the human body. Get it ?

You are just ignorant. Name one Islamic country that has invaded and colonized a western "Christian" nation.

Haha, what?
The Muslim Arabs of North-Africa invaded & colonized Spain / Portugal for about 800 years.
They did similar in Sicily.

Catholic Charles Martel stopped them in their tracks.

Well... Islamic Ottoman Turks invaded, and colonized the Balkans between Austria & the Byzantine.

Catholic Jan III Sobieski stopped them in their tracks.

There were others.
Islamic Tatars raided Europe for eons, even enslaved 4 million in Eastern Europe.
while
Islamic Ottoman Barbary Pirates of North-Africa raided, and enslaved 1.25 million Western Europeans.

The Golden Horde was largely comprised of Islamic groups of mostly a Turkic background from Central Asia, East Asia, and else where.

As a note, the American's here have become complacent, and they have become to accepting of all sorts of Anti-American cultural things from a far, and all the while these immigrated anti-American foriegners are hiding in plain sight amongst us these days, and they are using our own Constitution against us.

And worse they are being helped by anti-American's within, who are shockingly Americans that were born here. Go figure.

There is no uniform “American Culture” to assimilate too. Are Bostonians and Louisiana Cajuns culturally similar? Texans aren’t like people from New England. Southerners are different from people in mid-west.

There certainly was a set of standard's the nation adhered to, and it still does. As outlined in the Constitution these things are right there in which were agreed upon. Of course part of the undermining of this nation is to turn that Constitution against us by reinterpreting it for us.

 

[Lastamender]

When Teddy Roosevelt Banned Muslims from America

A progressive hero.

Muslim immigration was still slight at the time and bans on polygamy had not been created to deliberately target them, but the Muslim practice of an act repulsive to most Americans even back then pitted their cries of discrimination and victimhood against the values of the nation. The Immigration Act of 1907 had been meant to select only those immigrants who would make good Americans.

And Muslims would not.

In his 1905 State of the Union address, President Theodore Roosevelt had spoken of the need “to keep out all immigrants who will not make good American citizens.”

Unlike modern presidents, Roosevelt did not view Islam as a force for good. Instead he had described Muslims as “enemies of civilization”, writing that, “The civilization of Europe, America and Australia exists today at all only because of the victories of civilized man over the enemies of civilization", praising Charles Martel and John Sobieski for throwing back the "Moslem conquerors" whose depredations had caused Christianity to have "practically vanished from the two continents."

Well, really, he banned and went after polygamy, along with signing thw immigration act, which barred those believing in the practice from entering. So, Muslims, and most Hindus at the time, too.

The article made it very clear how TR felt about Muslims. Is that what you say to ignore that fact?

 

[Pogo]

Does "the christian [sic] world" need to reform itself because the Ku Klux Klan exists?

It already did. It was reformed from without by a secular society, and the change was generational. One has only to monitor the support from american chritians of the klan over the last 100 years to see it in sharp relief.

You really couldn't have picked a finer, more salient illustration of my point. Will you be assisting me all weekend?

The klu Klux clan using or attempting to adopt Christianity in order to justify it's beliefs or disgusting activities, uh is a failed attempt by the left to use the klu Klux clan as a means to attack Christianity. Always remember that people aren't dumb about these things, and people know how to discern between the good and the bad within the world. One might think that all blacks are victim's in America, and that because of this thinking that any action taken by a black against his fellow man out of anger, might be justified or an excuse can be made for it, but people are smarter than this crazy notion as well. Doesn't stop the race card from being thrown willy nilly, but whose counting anymore right ??

Actually the Klan required that any incoming member be a Christian, and specifically a Protestant one.

The big Klan, the one we have all the pictures of, the one that spread nationwide, was founded by an ex-Methodist minister, using a bible, an unsheathed sword and an American flag. Stone Mountain Georgia, Thanksgiving 1915.

It's right here on the application forms.

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Klanners would often walk into church services, in full regalia, and make donations.

There was at least one occasion they pulled a (white) woman out of her house and whipped her for the 'crime' of "not going to church". When her fifteen year old son came out to defend her, they whipped him too. They were heavy into the flagellation thing. "Christian terrorism" if you like. Their targets included Jews, Catholics, immigrants in general, labor unions, blacks, drunks (Klan were strongly pro-Prohibition) and adulterers, philanderers and "loose women". I call 'em a Christian Taliban.

"The left" didn't do that --- the Klan did. So sitting here trying to pass this documented history as an angle of "the left" is just flat-out dishonest.


The ultimate point being, the fact that the Klan held up the Holey Babble as its mascot, does not mean the Holey Babble offered itself to the Klan for that purpose. So while we can accurately describe them as "Christian terrorists", we cannot reverse-engineer that and claim Christianism therefore was their causation.

Same thing with Islam and spectacular political acts.

In short, correlation does not equal causation.

 

[Lastamender]

Fool, Islam and Christianity both derive from Judaism.

HA ha ha. Does this deserve a response ? I ask you. Anyone around here may post. Should I dignify this joke with a response ? mmmm….Nah!

Well I'll give him a break. Hey IM2, a nice hairdo and cancer are both derived from the human body. Get it ?

You are just ignorant. Name one Islamic country that has invaded and colonized a western "Christian" nation.

Haha, what?
The Muslim Arabs of North-Africa invaded & colonized Spain / Portugal for about 800 years.
They did similar in Sicily.

Catholic Charles Martel stopped them in their tracks.

Well... Islamic Ottoman Turks invaded, and colonized the Balkans between Austria & the Byzantine.

Catholic Jan III Sobieski stopped them in their tracks.

There were others.
Islamic Tatars raided Europe for eons, even enslaved 4 million in Eastern Europe.
while
Islamic Ottoman Barbary Pirates of North-Africa raided, and enslaved 1.25 million Western Europeans.

The Golden Horde was largely comprised of Islamic groups of mostly a Turkic background from Central Asia, East Asia, and else where.

As a note, the American's here have become complacent, and they have become to accepting of all sorts of Anti-American cultural things from a far, and all the while these immigrated anti-American foriegners are hiding in plain sight amongst us these days, and they are using our own Constitution against us.

And worse they are being helped by anti-American's within, who are shockingly Americans that were born here. Go figure.

There is no uniform “American Culture” to assimilate too. Are Bostonians and Louisiana Cajuns culturally similar? Texans aren’t like people from New England. Southerners are different from people in mid-west.

There is no uniform “American Culture” to assimilate too.

That is what people believe. It does not make it true.