Nobody doubts the M4 is an assault weapon. Are there any material differences between an M4 and an AR15?

[BULLDOG]

So it seems most finally agree that full auto is really the only material difference between the two rifles, and the only question now, to find what I was looking for in the OP, is whether the conversion is fairly easy. Buying the needed parts, other than the DIAS, seems easy enough since they are for sale at damn near every gun store, and none of them require any special permit or approval for anyone to buy. A couple hundred bucks should cover the bolt carrier group, a M16 hammer and any other non regulated trigger parts needed. It comes down to whether the DIAS is pretty easy to build. Is that a fair assessment?

So what do you think the government should do about it?

You keep running away from this question.

What the government should do has nothing to do with this thread. It has no bearing on whether those rifles are essentially the same other than the auto fire capability,(I think we are agreed that is true) or if the AR can be easily converted. As far as the conversion, I think we are agreed that all the parts required can be easily sourced, except for the DIAS.
Even though it has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure many already know I believe we need common sense gun laws.

AND THERE IT IS, just as I've said all along.

You want to ban AR-15s.

Hint: No. Cry some more about it.

You are nuts, aren't you. I oppose banning the AR15. Nothing I have written says any different. Common sense regulation and banning the AR15 are not the same thing dumb ass.

Democrats don't want reasonable restrictions and for the slow and stupid laws mean nothing to criminals.

Are you very sure about that?

Yes I am very sure the problems of shootings are mostly restricted to cities and gang shootings or career criminals that dem judges refuse to lock up no matter how many times they break the law.

So, as several have already asked here, why don't crooks convert their AR15s to full automatic? It's not hard, and even if it was, there are plenty of small shops who wouldn't mind taking hundreds of dollars to make a little piece about the size of a watch fob. You think there aren't any machinists who are crooks? What stops them from doing that?

it isn't easy and most crooks prefer pistols and gangs prefer small submachine guns easily hidden.

You're telling me that gangs and other crooks wouldn't want fully auto AR15s? really? We both know better than that

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Gangs dont use long guns much at all

 

[daveman]

So it seems most finally agree that full auto is really the only material difference between the two rifles, and the only question now, to find what I was looking for in the OP, is whether the conversion is fairly easy. Buying the needed parts, other than the DIAS, seems easy enough since they are for sale at damn near every gun store, and none of them require any special permit or approval for anyone to buy. A couple hundred bucks should cover the bolt carrier group, a M16 hammer and any other non regulated trigger parts needed. It comes down to whether the DIAS is pretty easy to build. Is that a fair assessment?

So what do you think the government should do about it?

You keep running away from this question.

What the government should do has nothing to do with this thread. It has no bearing on whether those rifles are essentially the same other than the auto fire capability,(I think we are agreed that is true) or if the AR can be easily converted. As far as the conversion, I think we are agreed that all the parts required can be easily sourced, except for the DIAS.
Even though it has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure many already know I believe we need common sense gun laws.

AND THERE IT IS, just as I've said all along.

You want to ban AR-15s.

Hint: No. Cry some more about it.

You are nuts, aren't you. I oppose banning the AR15. Nothing I have written says any different. Common sense regulation and banning the AR15 are not the same thing dumb ass.

Why do you want to regulate a weapon that's been used so rarely in crimes?

Do you really expect anyone to believe you don't want them banned?

 

[daveman]

This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

So you've been posting instructions on how to commit an illegal act.

Question: Should I notify the FBI or the ATF?

Call anyone you like. Hell, you can call the president, or Santa Clause to tell him I've been a bad boy. I never gave instructions to anyone about committing an illegal act. I just said I could show how it could easily be done. Perhaps you don't see the difference in those two statements, but it is there.

Don't get angry wit me. YOU fucked up.

 

[daveman]

So it seems most finally agree that full auto is really the only material difference between the two rifles, and the only question now, to find what I was looking for in the OP, is whether the conversion is fairly easy. Buying the needed parts, other than the DIAS, seems easy enough since they are for sale at damn near every gun store, and none of them require any special permit or approval for anyone to buy. A couple hundred bucks should cover the bolt carrier group, a M16 hammer and any other non regulated trigger parts needed. It comes down to whether the DIAS is pretty easy to build. Is that a fair assessment?

So what do you think the government should do about it?

You keep running away from this question.

What the government should do has nothing to do with this thread. It has no bearing on whether those rifles are essentially the same other than the auto fire capability,(I think we are agreed that is true) or if the AR can be easily converted. As far as the conversion, I think we are agreed that all the parts required can be easily sourced, except for the DIAS.
Even though it has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure many already know I believe we need common sense gun laws.

AND THERE IT IS, just as I've said all along.

You want to ban AR-15s.

Hint: No. Cry some more about it.

You are nuts, aren't you. I oppose banning the AR15. Nothing I have written says any different. Common sense regulation and banning the AR15 are not the same thing dumb ass.

Democrats don't want reasonable restrictions and for the slow and stupid laws mean nothing to criminals.

Are you very sure about that?

Yes I am very sure the problems of shootings are mostly restricted to cities and gang shootings or career criminals that dem judges refuse to lock up no matter how many times they break the law.

So, as several have already asked here, why don't crooks convert their AR15s to full automatic? It's not hard, and even if it was, there are plenty of small shops who wouldn't mind taking hundreds of dollars to make a little piece about the size of a watch fob. You think there aren't any machinists who are crooks? What stops them from doing that?

it isn't easy and most crooks prefer pistols and gangs prefer small submachine guns easily hidden.

You're telling me that gangs and other crooks wouldn't want fully auto AR15s? really? We both know better than that

So, you want a weapon even more regulated because people MIGHT use them in crimes.

You're a special kind of stupid.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The man selected by Biden to run ATF just described in the hearings on his appointment that his opinion is that all assault weapons should be banned and licensed like Machine guns for those already out there, then when pressed to define an assault weapon he said any semi auto with detachable magazine and bigger then 22 caliber.

 

[BULLDOG]

So it seems most finally agree that full auto is really the only material difference between the two rifles, and the only question now, to find what I was looking for in the OP, is whether the conversion is fairly easy. Buying the needed parts, other than the DIAS, seems easy enough since they are for sale at damn near every gun store, and none of them require any special permit or approval for anyone to buy. A couple hundred bucks should cover the bolt carrier group, a M16 hammer and any other non regulated trigger parts needed. It comes down to whether the DIAS is pretty easy to build. Is that a fair assessment?

So what do you think the government should do about it?

You keep running away from this question.

What the government should do has nothing to do with this thread. It has no bearing on whether those rifles are essentially the same other than the auto fire capability,(I think we are agreed that is true) or if the AR can be easily converted. As far as the conversion, I think we are agreed that all the parts required can be easily sourced, except for the DIAS.
Even though it has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure many already know I believe we need common sense gun laws.

AND THERE IT IS, just as I've said all along.

You want to ban AR-15s.

Hint: No. Cry some more about it.

You are nuts, aren't you. I oppose banning the AR15. Nothing I have written says any different. Common sense regulation and banning the AR15 are not the same thing dumb ass.

Why do you want to regulate a weapon that's been used so rarely in crimes?

Do you really expect anyone to believe you don't want them banned?

I really don't care what you believe. Any devise whose only purpose is to kill needs regulation. Only an idiot would believe otherwise. You still haven't said what, other than a DIAS would make conversion hard. At least try to stay near the subject, or I'll just scroll past your responses.

 

[BULLDOG]

This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

So you've been posting instructions on how to commit an illegal act.

Question: Should I notify the FBI or the ATF?

Call anyone you like. Hell, you can call the president, or Santa Clause to tell him I've been a bad boy. I never gave instructions to anyone about committing an illegal act. I just said I could show how it could easily be done. Perhaps you don't see the difference in those two statements, but it is there.

Don't get angry wit me. YOU fucked up.

You aren't capable of making me angry.

 

[daveman]

The man selected by Biden to run ATF just described in the hearings on his appointment that his opinion is that all assault weapons should be banned and licensed like Machine guns for those already out there, then when pressed to define an assault weapon he said any semi auto with detachable magazine and bigger then 22 caliber.

Leftists hate the Second Amendment because it prevents the government from taking away from people the tools with which to defend themselves from leftist tyranny.

They don't want you safe. They want you disarmed.

And then they want you to get on the cattle car.

 

[daveman]

So it seems most finally agree that full auto is really the only material difference between the two rifles, and the only question now, to find what I was looking for in the OP, is whether the conversion is fairly easy. Buying the needed parts, other than the DIAS, seems easy enough since they are for sale at damn near every gun store, and none of them require any special permit or approval for anyone to buy. A couple hundred bucks should cover the bolt carrier group, a M16 hammer and any other non regulated trigger parts needed. It comes down to whether the DIAS is pretty easy to build. Is that a fair assessment?

So what do you think the government should do about it?

You keep running away from this question.

What the government should do has nothing to do with this thread. It has no bearing on whether those rifles are essentially the same other than the auto fire capability,(I think we are agreed that is true) or if the AR can be easily converted. As far as the conversion, I think we are agreed that all the parts required can be easily sourced, except for the DIAS.
Even though it has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure many already know I believe we need common sense gun laws.

AND THERE IT IS, just as I've said all along.

You want to ban AR-15s.

Hint: No. Cry some more about it.

You are nuts, aren't you. I oppose banning the AR15. Nothing I have written says any different. Common sense regulation and banning the AR15 are not the same thing dumb ass.

Why do you want to regulate a weapon that's been used so rarely in crimes?

Do you really expect anyone to believe you don't want them banned?

I really don't care what you believe. Any devise whose only purpose is to kill needs regulation. Only an idiot would believe otherwise. You still haven't said what, other than a DIAS would make conversion hard. At least try to stay near the subject, or I'll just scroll past your responses.

Then scroll away, you fascist bastard.

 

[BULLDOG]

The man selected by Biden to run ATF just described in the hearings on his appointment that his opinion is that all assault weapons should be banned and licensed like Machine guns for those already out there, then when pressed to define an assault weapon he said any semi auto with detachable magazine and bigger then 22 caliber.

Leftists hate the Second Amendment because it prevents the government from taking away from people the tools with which to defend themselves from leftist tyranny.

They don't want you safe. They want you disarmed.

And then they want you to get on the cattle car.

Just out of curiosity, Since a rifle seems to be such an important tool for defense, but you claim bad guys rarely use a rifle, what is the tactical difference between a crook and a homeowner? Why is a pistol preferred by one, and a rifle preferred by the other? Just because isn't a good answer.

 

[BULLDOG]

So it seems most finally agree that full auto is really the only material difference between the two rifles, and the only question now, to find what I was looking for in the OP, is whether the conversion is fairly easy. Buying the needed parts, other than the DIAS, seems easy enough since they are for sale at damn near every gun store, and none of them require any special permit or approval for anyone to buy. A couple hundred bucks should cover the bolt carrier group, a M16 hammer and any other non regulated trigger parts needed. It comes down to whether the DIAS is pretty easy to build. Is that a fair assessment?

So what do you think the government should do about it?

You keep running away from this question.

What the government should do has nothing to do with this thread. It has no bearing on whether those rifles are essentially the same other than the auto fire capability,(I think we are agreed that is true) or if the AR can be easily converted. As far as the conversion, I think we are agreed that all the parts required can be easily sourced, except for the DIAS.
Even though it has nothing to do with this thread, I'm sure many already know I believe we need common sense gun laws.

AND THERE IT IS, just as I've said all along.

You want to ban AR-15s.

Hint: No. Cry some more about it.

You are nuts, aren't you. I oppose banning the AR15. Nothing I have written says any different. Common sense regulation and banning the AR15 are not the same thing dumb ass.

Why do you want to regulate a weapon that's been used so rarely in crimes?

Do you really expect anyone to believe you don't want them banned?

I really don't care what you believe. Any devise whose only purpose is to kill needs regulation. Only an idiot would believe otherwise. You still haven't said what, other than a DIAS would make conversion hard. At least try to stay near the subject, or I'll just scroll past your responses.

Then scroll away, you fascist bastard.

Not yet bitch. You're still entertaining me. It's obvious that you can't come up with a rational answer to the first question.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

The man selected by Biden to run ATF just described in the hearings on his appointment that his opinion is that all assault weapons should be banned and licensed like Machine guns for those already out there, then when pressed to define an assault weapon he said any semi auto with detachable magazine and bigger then 22 caliber.

Leftists hate the Second Amendment because it prevents the government from taking away from people the tools with which to defend themselves from leftist tyranny.

They don't want you safe. They want you disarmed.

And then they want you to get on the cattle car.

Just out of curiosity, Since a rifle seems to be such an important tool for defense, but you claim bad guys rarely use a rifle, what is the tactical difference between a crook and a homeowner? Why is a pistol preferred by one, and a rifle preferred by the other? Just because isn't a good answer.

crooks prefer a cheap easy to hide weapon except for very specific jobs seldom done.

 

[BULLDOG]

The man selected by Biden to run ATF just described in the hearings on his appointment that his opinion is that all assault weapons should be banned and licensed like Machine guns for those already out there, then when pressed to define an assault weapon he said any semi auto with detachable magazine and bigger then 22 caliber.

Leftists hate the Second Amendment because it prevents the government from taking away from people the tools with which to defend themselves from leftist tyranny.

They don't want you safe. They want you disarmed.

And then they want you to get on the cattle car.

Just out of curiosity, Since a rifle seems to be such an important tool for defense, but you claim bad guys rarely use a rifle, what is the tactical difference between a crook and a homeowner? Why is a pistol preferred by one, and a rifle preferred by the other? Just because isn't a good answer.

crooks prefer a cheap easy to hide weapon except for very specific jobs seldom done.

You seem to think all or most crooks are dirt poor, and can't afford anything but junk guns. That isn't the case.

 

[Batcat]

The man selected by Biden to run ATF just described in the hearings on his appointment that his opinion is that all assault weapons should be banned and licensed like Machine guns for those already out there, then when pressed to define an assault weapon he said any semi auto with detachable magazine and bigger then 22 caliber.

Leftists hate the Second Amendment because it prevents the government from taking away from people the tools with which to defend themselves from leftist tyranny.

They don't want you safe. They want you disarmed.

And then they want you to get on the cattle car.

Just out of curiosity, Since a rifle seems to be such an important tool for defense, but you claim bad guys rarely use a rifle, what is the tactical difference between a crook and a homeowner? Why is a pistol preferred by one, and a rifle preferred by the other? Just because isn't a good answer.

Much depends on where you live. If you live in a crowded urban area or especially a mobile home park a rifle may be a terrible choice for home defense. Far too much penetration. In a mobile home park I would consider something like a snub nosed revolver loaded with Glaser Safety Slugs. In an urban area with houses a shotgun, revolver or pistol.

In a rural area I can see definite advantages to a semi-automatic or lever action rifle. Handguns or shotguns could also be good choices.

I personally prefer a revolver as a home defense weapon but also own a double barreled coach gun. I recently moved from an urban area to a rural area. I may buy a lever action rifle.

Double action revolvers are simple to use in an emergency where you are under attack from someone who wants to severely injure or kill you and has the means to do so. You point your weapon and pull the trigger. No safety to worry about and if your weapon does not make a loud noise you just pull the trigger again. Less chances for Murphy’s Law to make an appearance.

 

[westwall]

This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

Talking to someone about it is Conspiracy to Commit.

Conversion isn't easy. I have built them legally, I had a full machine shop at my beck and call.

 

[BULLDOG]

This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

Talking to someone about it is Conspiracy to Commit.

Conversion isn't easy. I have built them legally, I had a full machine shop at my beck and call.

No . Talking about it is no conspiracy. There is no intent to build one. Yes, it is easy. Are you saying you aren't capable of swapping a few easily bought parts?

 

[westwall]

This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

Talking to someone about it is Conspiracy to Commit.

Conversion isn't easy. I have built them legally, I had a full machine shop at my beck and call.

No . Talking about it is no conspiracy. There is no intent to build one. Yes, it is easy. Are you saying you aren't capable of swapping a few easily bought parts?

If you talk to someone about the procedure to modify a semi to a full auto firearm, THAT is indeed conspiracy to commit.

You should look up the ATF regulations. You'll get your dumbass arrested otherwise.

On second thought, don't look them up. We would all be better off if you were in jail.

 

[BULLDOG]

This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

Talking to someone about it is Conspiracy to Commit.

Conversion isn't easy. I have built them legally, I had a full machine shop at my beck and call.

No . Talking about it is no conspiracy. There is no intent to build one. Yes, it is easy. Are you saying you aren't capable of swapping a few easily bought parts?

If you talk to someone about the procedure to modify a semi to a full auto firearm, THAT is indeed conspiracy to commit.

You should look up the ATF regulations. You'll get your dumbass arrested otherwise.

On second thought, don't look them up. We would all be better off if you were in jail.

So saying that a drop in auto sear is the only non off the shelf part needed to convert a gun is conspiracy? Really? Even beyond that, you think saying it can be built with a grinder is conspiracy?

 

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This GOTCHA attempt is so lame, we need to call in a veterinarian and have it put down.

It's an honest question. All I want is an honest answer.

Lots of people doubt its an assault rifle so the entire thread is pointless.

There are always people who live in their own little world, but if disagree with our military's definition, you're pretty much an idiot.

Like you who thinks that it's soooooo easy to modify an AR 15 into a fully automatic weapon even though no one ever seems to use modified AR 15s to commit crimes

Perhaps it would be beyond your ability to fabricate one small part, and purchase the rest. That wouldn't be a big hurdle for many.

Then tell me why we don't see people using modified Ar 15s to commit crimes.

You say all this shit but you have no proof that people are actually modifying their ARs

I never said they do, even though I believe some do. I just said it was possible, and not that hard to do.

Like I said if it was as easy as you say that we would see criminals , especially gangs, use them and it just doesn't happen.

Lots of things are possible but aren't probable

BUT ALL YOU NEED IS A FILE AND A PIECE OF STEEL CMON MAN ITS SO EASY

I never said just a file and piece of steel, but I get your point. I never explicitly said it would also require some sort of easily built jig and some sort of easily built bracket to hold the grinder steady. I regularly use those types of things, and don't see them as anything other than just normal use of the tool. I still stand by my claim that it is possible to cut a few non-complex notches out of a 1/2 by 3/4 by 1 1/4 inch piece of steel with nothing more than a grinder, a vice, and perhaps a file to smooth up the rough cuts, and a cheap set of Harbor Freight calipers to check your work. Oh look, I added a file and a way of measuring. I didn't mention a pencil to mark where to cut either. Does that mean my claim that a DIAS is easily built is a lie?

Make one. Show us how easy it is.

Hop to it.

Making one would put me in prison. I said I could show how to make one. but I want to make sure the other questions about the ease of conversion are answered first.

Talking to someone about it is Conspiracy to Commit.

Conversion isn't easy. I have built them legally, I had a full machine shop at my beck and call.

No . Talking about it is no conspiracy. There is no intent to build one. Yes, it is easy. Are you saying you aren't capable of swapping a few easily bought parts?

If you talk to someone about the procedure to modify a semi to a full auto firearm, THAT is indeed conspiracy to commit.

You should look up the ATF regulations. You'll get your dumbass arrested otherwise.

On second thought, don't look them up. We would all be better off if you were in jail.

So saying that a drop in auto sear is the only non off the shelf part needed to convert a gun is conspiracy? Really? Even beyond that, you think saying it can be built with a grinder is conspiracy?

No, talking about the methods to make the drop in auto sear work, IS.