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Not Only Did Democrats Spy On Trump But It Was Only Too Easy

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The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant





Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


 
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The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant





Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.



Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?
 
The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant





Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.



Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?
.... well, if he starts getting information he shouldn't have let us know.
 
Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?

The left is already doing all that. By the way, can you move your monitor to the right a bit. Hard to see out the window where you have it. TIA
 
The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant





Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.



Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they did do it.

Are we to use the same rules for Trump? Anything he could potentially do, we'll say he did?
You're a damned idiot!!!

Explain how they found out about Gen Flynn and Trump's private conversations with foreign leaders last month.

Fucking dumbass.
 
ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it.... :eek:
 
Trump needs to blow it up. Charge obama, pelosi and Schumer with treason and order that investigation.
 
People in Trump's admin have been leaking the criminal and obnoxious activities since day one.
 
ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it.... :eek:

Could have been encrypted.
 
ONLY IF, as your article STATES

if they contain usable intelligence



• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;



I guess Flynn's call had some usable intelligence in it.... :eek:

Could have been encrypted.
true! good point, but the leaks said he discussed the sanctions, so they are not encrypted, no?
 
The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant





Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


So...you fell for the "Obama wiretapped Trump Tower" thingee, eh?
 
true! good point, but the leaks said he discussed the sanctions, so they are not encrypted, no?

I m going to out on a limb and suggest the CIA can read encrypted messages from US phone calls. I also think it is unwise to trust spies who leak information..
 
The reasons for the premature talk of impeachment in the Democratic Party are becoming clear. Democrats knew that the NSA was spying on Trump, despite their claims to the contrary. Their goal was to create a fake scandal and then assign a friendly independent prosecutor to investigate Trump. Attorney General Jeff Sessons was badgered into recusing himself from any investigation creating an opening for Obama’s hand picked independent prosecutor.

Any claims that it's difficult to to get FISA approval for wiretapping is bogus. The NSA can do it without a warrant according to secret documents.

The top secret rules that allow NSA to use US data without a warrant





Glenn Greenwald and James Ball

Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT
First published on Thursday 20 June 2013 18.59 EDT

Top secret documents submitted to the court that oversees surveillance by US intelligence agencies show the judges have signed off on broad orders which allow the NSA to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant.

The Guardian is publishing in full two documents submitted to the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (known as the Fisa court), signed by Attorney General Eric Holder and stamped 29 July 2009. They detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance.

The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used.

The procedures cover only part of the NSA's surveillance of domestic US communications. The bulk collection of domestic call records, as first revealed by the Guardian earlier this month, takes place under rolling court orders issued on the basis of a legal interpretation of a different authority, section 215 of the Patriot Act.

The Fisa court's oversight role has been referenced many times by Barack Obama and senior intelligence officials as they have sought to reassure the public about surveillance, but the procedures approved by the court have never before been publicly disclosed.

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

However, alongside those provisions, the Fisa court-approved policies allow the NSA to:

Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;

• Retain and make use of "inadvertently acquired" domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;

• Preserve "foreign intelligence information" contained within attorney-client communications;

• Access the content of communications gathered from "U.S. based machine" or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.

The broad scope of the court orders, and the nature of the procedures set out in the documents, appear to clash with assurances from President Obama and senior intelligence officials that the NSA could not access Americans' call or email information without warrants.


Exactly....Too many actions prior to his leaving that point to a continuing and premeditated op.....How long after he was sworn in were they claiming he would die in jail
 

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