Nothing irks me off more than libertarian college kids...

[TemplarKormac]

Avatar Templar, super dupers lol, read about Bushies deregulating online schooling so their cronies could rip off returning vets, more than half the growth in bad loans are those BS u's. You'd think ignorance were a virtue you're so gd ignorant and proud of it...

When on earth have we ever showed pride in any post you've written?

It would be in your best interest to ignore him. As in ignore list. He couldn't raise a fact if it were set in front of him, dangling on a string.

 

[francoHFW]

Unfortunately, they are competing, and the ignorant who opt for the Bush for profit online ones tend to get screwed and then default on their loans. It's another Pub/Pub dupe thing lol. Too bad about the country. Exactly like the Pub deregulated toxic real estate market....

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

I think I'll go with John V. Lombardi, the President of the University of Florida in the 1990s. He called low tuition at state universities "welfare for the middle class." His premise was that since college provides such a high value, it should charge market rates for it. When asked about ever increasing debt, he flippantly noted that college is not for everyone.

If student aid were means tested, college tuition would drop like a stone. I don't advocate such a thing, but colleges are absolutely participating in this economy. They charge more because they can get it.

College tuition is not going to drop simply because less students have less money to pay for it. People having less money doesn't alter the costs that universities have to cover. Instead colleges will simply reduce their rolls, admitting only the few students with the money to pay the costs. not-for-profit (meaning most all) colleges don't raise tuition to make profit because they aren't trying to make a profit. They raise tuition to cover the cost of the education. These costs have been increasing as state aid to universities has dropped. Computers cost more than slide rules.

How does the cost of a Bachelor of Arts in Mathematics rise exponentially? The concept that are taught have not changed in hundreds of years.

Most modern mathematics departments require students use computers for some of the coursework. Computers cost more than slide rules. That being said - the cost of math degrees has risen primarily because the cost of other degrees have gone up. Most universities do not typically charge different rates depending on degrees. There are generally a few exceptions at any given university, but most programs charge the same tuition.

There are also other costs associated with our modern standard of living. 50 years ago students would have typically been drenched in sweat after an hour lecture in one of Louisiana State University's un-air conditioned lecture halls. Now they sit in the luxury of air conditioning (something I'm old enough to know not to take for granted) - that cost more. Health care cost more. That drives up the cost of payroll. Land cost more. That drives up the cost of expanding a university.

While computers cost more than slide rules, computers today are extremely cheaper than those needed 20 years ago to teach entry-level programming.

Yes - but if you want to teach something useful to someone, like how to write a program that runs on 1024 processors - you'll want a supercomputer.

We're not talking advanced curricula, I agree that those programs are and have always had escalating costs. I'm talking about the the resources needed to produce properly educated statisticians, mathematicians, poets, programmers, and managers. Those costs have gone down.

Those costs have not gone down. The typical computers of 20 years ago may have cost more than the typical computers of today - but they weren't needed as often. Computers are a practical requirement of almost any profession today - 20 years ago hardly anyone needed them except computer programmers.

The cost is going up because the value is still there and increasing numbers of people are able to pay. They might not be able to afford it, but they are able to pay.

OK. Where do you think the extra tuition is going? Is this some conspiracy theory where a guy at the top is siphoning off the extra money and making it look like an expense - or can you actually show me where the extra $$$$ in tuition winds up?

Here's LSU's expenditure break down:

http://www.bgtplan.lsu.edu/budget/12-13/expfunction.pdf

42% for instruction.

 

[jasonnfree]

Nothing irks me off more than libertarian college kids who pay no taxes telling me - who is backing their student loans with my taxes - that I want to tax them too much. Boys and girls, just shut up. Enjoy going to college on loans with low rates of interest - and don't ask why the interest is so low. Just know that government is bad - its evil! Ask them if they want to eliminate the department of education? YES! Do you want us to eliminate your student loans so you can pay double the interest you pay now? NO!

Its quite easy for people who are 19 years old with no responsibilities and living partially off of loan money to say they should pay a flat tax, isn't it?

Ask the students to name some successful libertarian countries. There are none. Or name some successful countries that have a flat tax. There are none. Some conservatives want a flat tax but it favors the wealthy. But then conservatives are the lackeys for the very wealthy anyway. They're still waiting for that trickle down effect that reagan promised them.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Nothing irks me off more than libertarian college kids who pay no taxes telling me - who is backing their student loans with my taxes - that I want to tax them too much. Boys and girls, just shut up. Enjoy going to college on loans with low rates of interest - and don't ask why the interest is so low. Just know that government is bad - its evil! Ask them if they want to eliminate the department of education? YES! Do you want us to eliminate your student loans so you can pay double the interest you pay now? NO!

Its quite easy for people who are 19 years old with no responsibilities and living partially off of loan money to say they should pay a flat tax, isn't it?

Ask the students to name some successful libertarian countries. There are none. Or name some successful countries that have a flat tax. There are none. Some conservatives want a flat tax but it favors the wealthy. But then conservatives are the lackeys for the very wealthy anyway. They're still waiting for that trickle down effect that reagan promised them.

Monaco?

 

[francoHFW]

It seems the greedy Pubs that RUN colleges spent too much money on new buildings and stadiums, not to mention the absolutely corrupt for profit ones that are all Boooosh...

John Boehner Backed Deregulation Of Online Learning, Leading To ...
John Boehner Backed Deregulation Of Online Learning, Leading To Explosive Growth At For-Profit Colleges - Cached
Jul 29, 2011 ... AN ONLINE COLOSSUS. Any large industry takes heed of federal policy, but the
for-profit college industry has a special interest: It has ...
Online Colleges as a Policy Bloc? | Inside Higher Ed
Online Colleges as a Policy Bloc? | Inside Higher Ed - Cached - Similar
Oct 13, 2010 ... WASHINGTON -- For-profit colleges in one camp and everyone else in ... theme
of higher education policy this fall, but online institutions, regardless of their ... as
secretary of education during George W. Bush's second term.


All dupes know: "Colleges= lw profs, real estate bubble= that gay Dem guy, etc lol

 

[Quantum Windbag]

As I keep trying to inform you, dupes- Pubs are behind all the shytte going...FACT. Change the GD channel...

Fact: your online rants aren't facts.

If Franco says "dupe" one more time, I'll freaking torment him with pictures of Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush! I'll also make him watch movies with guns in them!

Make him watch "Cattle Queen of Montana."

 

[francoHFW]

Nothing irks me off more than libertarian college kids who pay no taxes telling me - who is backing their student loans with my taxes - that I want to tax them too much. Boys and girls, just shut up. Enjoy going to college on loans with low rates of interest - and don't ask why the interest is so low. Just know that government is bad - its evil! Ask them if they want to eliminate the department of education? YES! Do you want us to eliminate your student loans so you can pay double the interest you pay now? NO!

Its quite easy for people who are 19 years old with no responsibilities and living partially off of loan money to say they should pay a flat tax, isn't it?

Ask the students to name some successful libertarian countries. There are none. Or name some successful countries that have a flat tax. There are none. Some conservatives want a flat tax but it favors the wealthy. But then conservatives are the lackeys for the very wealthy anyway. They're still waiting for that trickle down effect that reagan promised them.

ANY bs to avoid research and thought lol...

 

[Avatar4321]

ANY bs to avoid research and thought lol...

I know that's your personal philosophy. But it really isnt healthy.

 

[OnePercenter]

Nothing irks me off more than libertarian college kids who pay no taxes telling me - who is backing their student loans with my taxes - that I want to tax them too much. Boys and girls, just shut up. Enjoy going to college on loans with low rates of interest - and don't ask why the interest is so low. Just know that government is bad - its evil! Ask them if they want to eliminate the department of education? YES! Do you want us to eliminate your student loans so you can pay double the interest you pay now? NO!

Its quite easy for people who are 19 years old with no responsibilities and living partially off of loan money to say they should pay a flat tax, isn't it?

What I can't understand, unless a person has an underlying mental issue, a book or radio show they're trying to peddle, is how a person with a college education can be a Libertarian.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I have no idea what Bush has to do with it, but online colleges & universities tend to be the for-profit colleges & universities - which tend to be shams. Most online for-profit institutions are designed simply to transfer taxpayer wealth and the future earnings of their customers into profits for private business. The default rate at for-profit schools is twice as high as at public institutions - meaning they are charging too much for the quality of education they are providing - at expense to the public. For-Profit Colleges

More students can obtain college educations with less public money and with less money from the students themselves if we eliminate loans for for-profit institutions and re-direct them for use at public and non-for-profit private institutions.

I was wondering where you were going with this.

So, government loans can only be used to get educations at government institutions?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my original post. Or maybe you just didn't fucking read it all the way through because you're lazy. I have highlighted in large letters the blatant answer to your question.

What next, government loans can only be used to start government contractors? Government education can only be used to further careers in Government Sponsored Enterprises?

While I agree with your assessment of for-profit colleges (most are shams for academic purposes), there is still a great benefit to society for them and they serve as an excellent source of competition for traditional universities.

No they don't. For profit and not-for-profit institutions aren't competing for the same thing. For-profits are competing for profit - that's it. Not-for-profits compete for the highest quality professors and students and for a lot of other things - but not for the most profit.

Federal student aid is there to promulgate the goals of people, not to have them be indoctrinated. And while most online programs are crap, plenty are quite good to serve the needs of those seeking a better career. Argosy sucks, but it's better than a literature degree from Columbia if you work for Allstate.

I do not doubt that there are worthwhile online degrees. I doubt that they would come from profit seeking institutions, however.

You seem to be trying to blame everything you think is wrong with student loans on a small number of colleges.

Maybe we should just make college free, like it is in Sweden.

Except that it really isn't free, even for the student.

Swedish colleges and universities are free. Yep. Totally free.
But students there still end up with a lot of debt. The average at the beginning of 2013 was roughly 124,000 Swedish krona ($19,000). Sure, the average US student was carrying about 30% more, at $24,800.

But remember: Free. College in Sweden is free. That's not even all that common in Europe anymore. While the costs of education are far lower than in the US, over the past two decades sometimes-hefty fees have become a fact of life for many European students. Britain got them in 1998 . Some German states instituted them after a federal ban on student fees was overturned in the courts. In fact, since 1995 more than half of the 25 OECD countries with available data on higher education have overhauled their college tuition policies at public institutions , with many adding or raising fees.

The High Price of a Free College Education in Sweden - Matt Phillips - The Atlantic

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Nothing irks me off more than libertarian college kids who pay no taxes telling me - who is backing their student loans with my taxes - that I want to tax them too much. Boys and girls, just shut up. Enjoy going to college on loans with low rates of interest - and don't ask why the interest is so low. Just know that government is bad - its evil! Ask them if they want to eliminate the department of education? YES! Do you want us to eliminate your student loans so you can pay double the interest you pay now? NO!

Its quite easy for people who are 19 years old with no responsibilities and living partially off of loan money to say they should pay a flat tax, isn't it?

What I can't understand, unless a person has an underlying mental issue, a book or radio show they're trying to peddle, is how a person with a college education can be a Libertarian.

Busted. You all better buy my memoirs.

 

[Unkotare]

I did just read something. What you wrote. It's complete nonsense.

Everything that illiterate punk posts is complete nonsense (to say the very least).

 

[Unkotare]

You all better buy my memoirs.

I'm sure they'll be published perforated and on a cardboard roll.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

You all better buy my memoirs.

I'm sure they'll be published perforated and on a cardboard roll.

Looks like somebody's angling for a signed copy.

 

[Unkotare]

Oh, I'll put my own mark on it, thanks.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Oh, I'll put my own mark on it, thanks.

Ok! Two copies it is! One for you, and one for a friend.

 

[Unkotare]

Oh, I'll put my own mark on it, thanks.

Ok! Two copies it is! One for you, and one for a friend.

Hmmm....it is taco night...that might come in handy....