ScreamingEagle
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GotZoom said:They know where the call is coming from.
Then why not just monitor calls coming from/going to specific places that are suspect? Why does everybody have to be monitored?
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GotZoom said:They know where the call is coming from.
ScreamingEagle said:Then why not just monitor calls coming from/going to specific places that are suspect? Why does everybody have to be monitored?
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GotZoom said:They can't listen to everyone one of calls live at the same time. When they review the calls, once taped, they know where they are coming from.
GotZoom said:They can't listen to everyone one of calls live at the same time. When they review the calls, once taped, they know where they are coming from.
5stringJeff said:They're not taping calls, just monitoring who you call, who calls you, etc. - an unlawful search against people who haven't been accused of a crime.
rtwngAvngr said:The database records are not the property of the citizens, and are thus not subject to 4th amendment protections. Why can't you absorb this fact?
ScreamingEagle said:Your for big government? Why should they have access to ALL private records of people making calls intra-country and even overseas to most places? I can understand monitoring records to places overseas that are suspect. Why can't the government make that distinction?
If there is any specific phone number/person someplace that is suspect, the government should be able to investigate on reasonable grounds.
ScreamingEagle said:Your for big government? Why should they have access to ALL private records of people making calls intra-country and even overseas to most places? I can understand monitoring records to places overseas that are suspect. Why can't the government make that distinction?
If there is any specific phone number/person someplace that is suspect, the government should be able to investigate on reasonable grounds.
rtwngAvngr said:The database records are not the property of the citizens, and are thus not subject to 4th amendment protections. Why can't you absorb this fact?
5stringJeff said:The call records belong to private companies, who are being coerced to give up information on their customers. I can't find the inherent right of the federal government to search through a private company's databases anywhere in my pocket Constitution - can you? Last time I checked, privately owned companies still enjoyed constitutional protections as well.
GotZoom said:None of the 9/11 terrorists lived in the United States before flying our plans into the WTC I guess.
rtwngAvngr said:I'm for fighting terrorism.
5stringJeff said:And I'm for fighting terrorism without trampling on the rights of innocent Americans.
ScreamingEagle said:How would the government figure out an attack by terrorists within the country by just their phone calls to each other within the country.....unless they already had some suspicions about the guys and were actually listening to what was specifically said in the calls?
GotZoom said:They could have suspicions without listening to the phone calls. Transfers of money, tips, confidential informants, etc.
Even if they were to obtain a warrant to monitor phone calls, it would only be the calls made after receiving the warrant. If they had a list of every phone call in and out, they could start putting together a matrix of associates.
rtwngAvngr said:It's not trampling. We do not own the phone company's database.
I wouldn't go so far as not saying there shouldn't be limits on what they can do, however, on the side of not allowing; seems we are looking to identify then monitor, which puts the government in the gerbil cage.5stringJeff said:I have a huge problem with it. If the NSA wants to collect that information about a suspected terrorist or other suspected criminal, that's great. It's not great - nor is it within the limits of the Fourth Amendment - to collect that data on everyone.
jillian said:"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin