NY Times: Obama Has Lost All Credibility...

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President Obama’s Dragnet

Within hours of the disclosure that federal authorities routinely collect data on phone calls Americans make, regardless of whether they have any bearing on a counterterrorism investigation, the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights.

Those reassurances have never been persuasive — whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency’s phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism — especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability.

The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers.

Based on an article in The Guardian published Wednesday night, we now know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency used the Patriot Act to obtain a secret warrant to compel Verizon’s business services division to turn over data on every single call that went through its system. We know that this particular order was a routine extension of surveillance that has been going on for years, and it seems very likely that it extends beyond Verizon’s business division. There is every reason to believe the federal government has been collecting every bit of information about every American’s phone calls except the words actually exchanged in those calls...

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html
 
NY Times: Obama Has Lost All Credibility...

While I agree I cannot figure out why OBAMA's name is even mentioned.

Here's why I am confused about why OBAMA is even noted.

We now know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency used the Patriot Act to obtain a secret warrant to compel Verizon’s business services division to turn over data on every single call that went through its system. We know that this particular order was a routine extension of surveillance that has been going on for years, and it seems very likely that it extends beyond Verizon’s business division. There is every reason to believe the federal government has been collecting every bit of information about every American’s phone calls except the words actually exchanged in those calls...

This shit has been going on for DECADES!

This isn't something OBAMA invented, perfected or agumented.


THIS IS OUR POLICE STATE GOVERNMENT IN ACTION.

Now we're going to tell outselveves this is a PARTISAN ISSUE?

Let's stop bullshitting outselves, shall we?

WE live in a POLICE STATE, and we have been living in this police state for most of our adult lifetimes.

This is NOT about Rs and Ds this is about THEM WITH POWER versus the CITIZENS
 
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President Obama’s Dragnet

Within hours of the disclosure that federal authorities routinely collect data on phone calls Americans make, regardless of whether they have any bearing on a counterterrorism investigation, the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights.

Those reassurances have never been persuasive — whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency’s phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism — especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability.

The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers.

Based on an article in The Guardian published Wednesday night, we now know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency used the Patriot Act to obtain a secret warrant to compel Verizon’s business services division to turn over data on every single call that went through its system. We know that this particular order was a routine extension of surveillance that has been going on for years, and it seems very likely that it extends beyond Verizon’s business division. There is every reason to believe the federal government has been collecting every bit of information about every American’s phone calls except the words actually exchanged in those calls...

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html

The NYT also lost all credibility. Hours after publishing that article they edited the editorial to remove the sentence 'The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue.' Onswipe

This is laughable and emblematic to the control this administration has over a supposedly independent media.

No American news outlets broke any of the scandals surrounding this administration NOT ONE. American journalism is broken beyond repair.
 
President Obama’s Dragnet

Within hours of the disclosure that federal authorities routinely collect data on phone calls Americans make, regardless of whether they have any bearing on a counterterrorism investigation, the Obama administration issued the same platitude it has offered every time President Obama has been caught overreaching in the use of his powers: Terrorists are a real menace and you should just trust us to deal with them because we have internal mechanisms (that we are not going to tell you about) to make sure we do not violate your rights.

Those reassurances have never been persuasive — whether on secret warrants to scoop up a news agency’s phone records or secret orders to kill an American suspected of terrorism — especially coming from a president who once promised transparency and accountability.

The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it. That is one reason we have long argued that the Patriot Act, enacted in the heat of fear after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by members of Congress who mostly had not even read it, was reckless in its assignment of unnecessary and overbroad surveillance powers.

Based on an article in The Guardian published Wednesday night, we now know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency used the Patriot Act to obtain a secret warrant to compel Verizon’s business services division to turn over data on every single call that went through its system. We know that this particular order was a routine extension of surveillance that has been going on for years, and it seems very likely that it extends beyond Verizon’s business division. There is every reason to believe the federal government has been collecting every bit of information about every American’s phone calls except the words actually exchanged in those calls...

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html

The NYT also lost all credibility. Hours after publishing that article they edited the editorial to remove the sentence 'The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue.' Onswipe

This is laughable and emblematic to the control this administration has over a supposedly independent media.

No American news outlets broke any of the scandals surrounding this administration NOT ONE. American journalism is broken beyond repair.

Can't argue with you on any of your assertions. Thanks.
 
NY Times: Obama Has Lost All Credibility...

While I agree I cannot figure out why OBAMA's name is even mentioned.

Here's why I am confused about why OBAMA is even noted.
Because he's the current fucking president, who is vastly abusing his power.....He could stop the practice, but he's going pedal to the metal with it instead.
 
^^^^^ Beat me to it AGAIN OddOne.. ;} You better stop tapping my chain of thought..

We terrorized ourselves into doing this. They "played on our fears" As the Gore-on would say..

Very few people have been consistent on this one outside of my Libertarian buds and the TRUE Liberals.

Thanks for posting this Paulitician.. I heard a snippet of that this morning..

Seems like the NYTimes -- The commanding General of the Progressive Revolution --- has no balls.
 
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NY Times: Obama Has Lost All Credibility...

While I agree I cannot figure out why OBAMA's name is even mentioned.

Here's why I am confused about why OBAMA is even noted.
Because he's the current fucking president, who is vastly abusing his power.....He could stop the practice, but he's going pedal to the metal with it instead.

:stupid:



:up:
 
NY Times: Obama Has Lost All Credibility...

While I agree I cannot figure out why OBAMA's name is even mentioned.

Here's why I am confused about why OBAMA is even noted.
Because he's the current fucking president, who is vastly abusing his power.....He could stop the practice, but he's going pedal to the metal with it instead.

Good point, but lets not forget that he fucking promised to end it as well.

The public has the memory of a goldfish....
 
While I agree I cannot figure out why OBAMA's name is even mentioned.

Here's why I am confused about why OBAMA is even noted.
Because he's the current fucking president, who is vastly abusing his power.....He could stop the practice, but he's going pedal to the metal with it instead.

Good point, but lets not forget that he fucking promised to end it as well.

The public has the memory of a goldfish....

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While I agree I cannot figure out why OBAMA's name is even mentioned.

Here's why I am confused about why OBAMA is even noted.

See OddBalls comment. He's my quicker witted proxy.

But besides that --- In 2008 when I got over my 20 minute depression that Bob Barr wasn't elected --- I said to myself .....

""FlaCalTenn -- relax. At least NOW we will get some action on the Patriotic Act and withdraw from a couple endless non-productive wars and stop bombing 4 countries a week""

Think YOU'RE dissappointed?? All I gotten for these years is opportunistic emotional class warfare and the Socialist Revolutionary propaganda instead of those things.
 
it was carried-out as a result of, quelle surprise!, the *cough* "patriot act", drawn up because a Repub admin was asleep at the wheel. Now, as a direct result of their dereliction of duty, we have a ginormous federal security bureaucracy. :eusa_eh: Thanks Repubs :clap2:

from the link:
...we now know that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the National Security Agency used the Patriot Act to obtain a secret warrant...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act
Republican Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner introduced H.R. 3162 incorporating provisions from a previously sponsored House bill and a Senate bill also introduced earlier in the month.[5] The next day on October 24, 2001, the Act passed the House 357 to 66,[6] with Democrats comprising the overwhelming portion of dissent.
 
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it was carried-out as a result of, quelle surprise!, the *cough* "patriot act", drawn up because a Repub admin was asleep at the wheel. Now, as a direct result of their dereliction of duty, we have a ginormous federal security bureaucracy. :eusa_eh: Thanks Repubs :clap2:

And democrats voted for it too! And then they turned around and renewed it!


Congratulations on your special cognition failure, Capt. Partisan! :cuckoo:
 
it was carried-out as a result of, quelle surprise!, the *cough* "patriot act", drawn up because a Repub admin was asleep at the wheel. Now, as a direct result of their dereliction of duty, we have a ginormous federal security bureaucracy. :eusa_eh: Thanks Repubs :clap2:

And there ya have it.., It's all Bush's fault.

:lol:

Never mind that the Patriot Act was nothing more than modifications to acts signed into law by Jimma Cawta & Ronnie Reagan.
 
The biggest scandal of all is the fact that he had credibility to begin with
 
When this bill passed I couldn't believe the short sited vision that the smartest people we have as politicians couldn't see where this bill would lead us.
I'm just a stupid peon and I DID see the possibilities, what's up with that?


Or, just maybe these politicians did see the end results and the possibilities for empowering our government.
 
it was carried-out as a result of, quelle surprise!, the *cough* "patriot act", drawn up because a Repub admin was asleep at the wheel. Now, as a direct result of their dereliction of duty, we have a ginormous federal security bureaucracy. :eusa_eh: Thanks Repubs :clap2:

And democrats voted for it too! And then they turned around and renewed it!


Congratulations on your special cognition failure, Capt. Partisan! :cuckoo:

reading is not your strong suit I see. :eusa_eh: The majority of those who voted AGAINST the *cough* "patriot act" were Democrats. Also the President reauthorized portions of the act, NOT the entire thing so..... take your hackery elsewhere. :thup:

Aren't you the one who claims to NOT be a Republican as well :eusa_eh:
 
it was carried-out as a result of, quelle surprise!, the *cough* "patriot act", drawn up because a Repub admin was asleep at the wheel. Now, as a direct result of their dereliction of duty, we have a ginormous federal security bureaucracy. :eusa_eh: Thanks Repubs :clap2:

And democrats voted for it too! And then they turned around and renewed it!


Congratulations on your special cognition failure, Capt. Partisan! :cuckoo:

reading is not your strong suit I see. :eusa_eh: The majority of those who voted AGAINST the *cough* "patriot act" were Democrats. Also the President reauthorized portions of the act, NOT the entire thing so..... take your hackery elsewhere. :thup:

Aren't you the one who claims to NOT be a Republican as well :eusa_eh:

If I remember correctly, Obama even enhanced the Patriot Act.
Also remember, he was against it before he was for it. :eusa_whistle:
 
When this bill passed I couldn't believe the short sited vision that the smartest people we have as politicians couldn't see where this bill would lead us.
I'm just a stupid peon and I DID see the possibilities, what's up with that?


Or, just maybe these politicians did see the end results and the possibilities for empowering our government.

Must be you understand why the Constitution was written the way it was and you appreciate the limits of the Power and Scope of government..

Rare talent bud...

But your downfall is that you believe we have "smarter politicians".. THey lose 20 IQ points per election cycle.. I swear that's true..
 

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