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You are a liar and you have no clue as to the 4th amend or FISA law.
I think FISA predates the Patriot Act. But basically, the issue with W's data mining was he was mining communications internally in the US. On that Mueller and Comey both went to the mat saying "no." And without any partisan concerns, just practical ones and a belief that you just can't trust the gummit, that was probably right. But there's no debate that a US citizens calls emails whatever within the US cannot be collected without a warrant, FISA or some other warrant. That was the hilarity of Trump complaining he was tapped. He wasn't, but his people were contacting people who were tapped. Just a heads up, but if you don't want to have communications intercepted, you should probably not call foreigners who may be spies or drug dealers or child porn sellers. (-:There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
Not quite true.
"In 1967, the Supreme Court of the United States held that the requirements of the Fourth Amendment applied equally to electronic surveillance and to physical searches. Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967). The Court did not address whether such requirements apply to issues of national security. Shortly after, in 1972, the Court took up the issue again in United States v. United States District Court, Plamondon, where the court held that court approval was required in order for the domestic surveillance to satisfy the Fourth Amendment. 407 U.S. 297 (1972). Justice Powell wrote that the decision did not address this issue that "may be involved with respect to activities of foreign powers or their agents"."
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia
Then the "Patriot Act" came along.
Still stoking Easy? What's that got to do with foreign intercepts ... you lying cheating stupid twerpYou are a liar and you have no clue as to the 4th amend or FISA law.
Feinstein says CIA spied on Senate computers - CNNPolitics.com
F* You, you little ignorant snowflake. This is further evidence to support what I said, something snowflakes are unable to do - provide any evidence to support their faults claims.
Bendog, you snowflakes are trying to disregard ALL of the illegal spying Obama carried out for YEARS.Still stoking Easy? What's that got to do with foreign intercepts ... you lying cheating stupid twerpYou are a liar and you have no clue as to the 4th amend or FISA law.
Feinstein says CIA spied on Senate computers - CNNPolitics.com
F* You, you little ignorant snowflake. This is further evidence to support what I said, something snowflakes are unable to do - provide any evidence to support their faults claims.
Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans
'The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.'
All Obama holdovers involved in the illegal spying should be fired, charged, and prosecuted.
If not 'Perp Walked', Obama should be Impeached for his criminal abuse of power and violations of Americans' Constitutional Rights!
So you were cool with warrantless wiretapping during the Bush administration because you thought he was a man of character? Remember that having character is not the same as being one.What happened? I thought warrantless wiretapping was cool when Bush did it?
...is it because...he's...black?
Liberals are the only ones who still judge people based on the color of their skin as evidenced by your post. It's the 21st century, join the rest of us who judge based on character.
Did you feel the point zoom over your head or were you oblivious to it? It isn't about race, no matter how much guilt ridden Democrats think it is. You're welcome.
I think FISA predates the Patriot Act. But basically, the issue with W's data mining was he was mining communications internally in the US. On that Mueller and Comey both went to the mat saying "no." And without any partisan concerns, just practical ones and a belief that you just can't trust the gummit, that was probably right. But there's no debate that a US citizens calls emails whatever within the US cannot be collected without a warrant, FISA or some other warrant. That was the hilarity of Trump complaining he was tapped. He wasn't, but his people were contacting people who were tapped. Just a heads up, but if you don't want to have communications intercepted, you should probably not call foreigners who may be spies or drug dealers or child porn sellers. (-:There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
Not quite true.
"In 1967, the Supreme Court of the United States held that the requirements of the Fourth Amendment applied equally to electronic surveillance and to physical searches. Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967). The Court did not address whether such requirements apply to issues of national security. Shortly after, in 1972, the Court took up the issue again in United States v. United States District Court, Plamondon, where the court held that court approval was required in order for the domestic surveillance to satisfy the Fourth Amendment. 407 U.S. 297 (1972). Justice Powell wrote that the decision did not address this issue that "may be involved with respect to activities of foreign powers or their agents"."
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia
Then the "Patriot Act" came along.
You can probably argue right or wrong but it's just never been illegal to collect a citizens communications that go to, or originate from, overseas.
Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans
'The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.'
All Obama holdovers involved in the illegal spying should be fired, charged, and prosecuted.
If not 'Perp Walked', Obama should be Impeached for his criminal abuse of power and violations of Americans' Constitutional Rights!
NSA warrantless surveillance (2001–07) - Wikipedia
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia
A "U.S. person" includes citizens, lawfully admitted permanent resident aliens, and corporations incorporated in the United States
Meet Executive Order 12333: The Reagan rule that lets the NSA spy on Americans
Executive Order 12333 contains no such protections for U.S. persons if the collection occurs outside U.S. borders. Issued by President Ronald Reagan in 1981 to authorize foreign intelligence investigations, 12333 is not a statute and has never been subject to meaningful oversight from Congress or any court. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has said that the committee has not been able to “sufficiently” oversee activities conducted under 12333
You must be a youngin, spying on us has been going on since or before J Edgar Hoover. If you're not doing anything against the law you have nothing to fear. Maybe.
No it's not right they have the ability to spy on us, but if you read all the articles, and I could have posted more, they have spied on us for just about my whole life. We all had a fit when Hoover did it and we have with every administration since. There probably isn't a whole hell of a lot that we can do about it, especially at this point.
There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans
'The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community.'
All Obama holdovers involved in the illegal spying should be fired, charged, and prosecuted.
If not 'Perp Walked', Obama should be Impeached for his criminal abuse of power and violations of Americans' Constitutional Rights!
NSA warrantless surveillance (2001–07) - Wikipedia
Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act - Wikipedia
A "U.S. person" includes citizens, lawfully admitted permanent resident aliens, and corporations incorporated in the United States
Meet Executive Order 12333: The Reagan rule that lets the NSA spy on Americans
Executive Order 12333 contains no such protections for U.S. persons if the collection occurs outside U.S. borders. Issued by President Ronald Reagan in 1981 to authorize foreign intelligence investigations, 12333 is not a statute and has never been subject to meaningful oversight from Congress or any court. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, has said that the committee has not been able to “sufficiently” oversee activities conducted under 12333
You must be a youngin, spying on us has been going on since or before J Edgar Hoover. If you're not doing anything against the law you have nothing to fear. Maybe.
No it's not right they have the ability to spy on us, but if you read all the articles, and I could have posted more, they have spied on us for just about my whole life. We all had a fit when Hoover did it and we have with every administration since. There probably isn't a whole hell of a lot that we can do about it, especially at this point.
The truth is that EVERY keystroke, email, and phone call is collected and stored. The Gov built a facility in Utah to store all of the data.
Well, the intelligence agency that intercepts a US citizen's call from the US to an overseas entity knows who the American is, and any information that can lead to a warrant is fair game. And that apparently is what caught up Team Trump. THAT was the OP subject: illegal OVERSEA spying. I don't think either W or Obama was accused of that ... unless it's in some asshat wacko fringe site like in the OP. Generally, the public at large and even officials outside the in4elligence agency are not give the US citizen's name ... unless there is a reason collecting intelligence or understanding some issue needs the unmasking. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread. But if you want to assert some Trump guys were wrongfully unmasked... go for it.There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
You DO have a right of anonymity in Foreign conversations. OTHERWISE if you run a multinational business, some GS18 security analyst could bankrupt your companies' stock price or get rich based on info. US citizens are NOT revealed in FOREIGN intercepts unless there is a SPECIFIC warrant from the FISA court (FISC) to surveil that person or organization or a special request from a group that used to be 20 or 30 people (Obama made that 100s) to UNmask that person.
The issue is -- The Patriotic Act DOMESTIC spy operation operates on BULK WARRANTS. Meaning that since they collect and store EVERY e-comm in the US domestically -- they don't NEED special warrants to retain ID information in the database. So it's ripe for abuse, probably HAS been abused by the Dem Admin. And the FISA court just issued this memo OUTLINING their abuses and lack of NSA compliance. It HAPPENED..
Well, the intelligence agency that intercepts a US citizen's call from the US to an overseas entity knows who the American is, and any information that can lead to a warrant is fair game. And that apparently is what caught up Team Trump. THAT was the OP subject: illegal OVERSEA spying. I don't think either W or Obama was accused of that ... unless it's in some asshat wacko fringe site like in the OP. Generally, the public at large and even officials outside the in4elligence agency are not give the US citizen's name ... unless there is a reason collecting intelligence or understanding some issue needs the unmasking. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread. But if you want to assert some Trump guys were wrongfully unmasked... go for it.There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
You DO have a right of anonymity in Foreign conversations. OTHERWISE if you run a multinational business, some GS18 security analyst could bankrupt your companies' stock price or get rich based on info. US citizens are NOT revealed in FOREIGN intercepts unless there is a SPECIFIC warrant from the FISA court (FISC) to surveil that person or organization or a special request from a group that used to be 20 or 30 people (Obama made that 100s) to UNmask that person.
The issue is -- The Patriotic Act DOMESTIC spy operation operates on BULK WARRANTS. Meaning that since they collect and store EVERY e-comm in the US domestically -- they don't NEED special warrants to retain ID information in the database. So it's ripe for abuse, probably HAS been abused by the Dem Admin. And the FISA court just issued this memo OUTLINING their abuses and lack of NSA compliance. It HAPPENED..
As to your second paragraph, why do you assert only the dems abused bulk data?
Well, the intelligence agency that intercepts a US citizen's call from the US to an overseas entity knows who the American is, and any information that can lead to a warrant is fair game. And that apparently is what caught up Team Trump. THAT was the OP subject: illegal OVERSEA spying. I don't think either W or Obama was accused of that ... unless it's in some asshat wacko fringe site like in the OP. Generally, the public at large and even officials outside the in4elligence agency are not give the US citizen's name ... unless there is a reason collecting intelligence or understanding some issue needs the unmasking. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread. But if you want to assert some Trump guys were wrongfully unmasked... go for it.There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
You DO have a right of anonymity in Foreign conversations. OTHERWISE if you run a multinational business, some GS18 security analyst could bankrupt your companies' stock price or get rich based on info. US citizens are NOT revealed in FOREIGN intercepts unless there is a SPECIFIC warrant from the FISA court (FISC) to surveil that person or organization or a special request from a group that used to be 20 or 30 people (Obama made that 100s) to UNmask that person.
The issue is -- The Patriotic Act DOMESTIC spy operation operates on BULK WARRANTS. Meaning that since they collect and store EVERY e-comm in the US domestically -- they don't NEED special warrants to retain ID information in the database. So it's ripe for abuse, probably HAS been abused by the Dem Admin. And the FISA court just issued this memo OUTLINING their abuses and lack of NSA compliance. It HAPPENED..
As to your second paragraph, why do you assert only the dems abused bulk data?
Obama intel agency secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years
Well, the intelligence agency that intercepts a US citizen's call from the US to an overseas entity knows who the American is, and any information that can lead to a warrant is fair game. And that apparently is what caught up Team Trump. THAT was the OP subject: illegal OVERSEA spying. I don't think either W or Obama was accused of that ... unless it's in some asshat wacko fringe site like in the OP. Generally, the public at large and even officials outside the in4elligence agency are not give the US citizen's name ... unless there is a reason collecting intelligence or understanding some issue needs the unmasking. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread. But if you want to assert some Trump guys were wrongfully unmasked... go for it.There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
You DO have a right of anonymity in Foreign conversations. OTHERWISE if you run a multinational business, some GS18 security analyst could bankrupt your companies' stock price or get rich based on info. US citizens are NOT revealed in FOREIGN intercepts unless there is a SPECIFIC warrant from the FISA court (FISC) to surveil that person or organization or a special request from a group that used to be 20 or 30 people (Obama made that 100s) to UNmask that person.
The issue is -- The Patriotic Act DOMESTIC spy operation operates on BULK WARRANTS. Meaning that since they collect and store EVERY e-comm in the US domestically -- they don't NEED special warrants to retain ID information in the database. So it's ripe for abuse, probably HAS been abused by the Dem Admin. And the FISA court just issued this memo OUTLINING their abuses and lack of NSA compliance. It HAPPENED..
As to your second paragraph, why do you assert only the dems abused bulk data?
Well, the intelligence agency that intercepts a US citizen's call from the US to an overseas entity knows who the American is, and any information that can lead to a warrant is fair game. And that apparently is what caught up Team Trump. THAT was the OP subject: illegal OVERSEA spying. I don't think either W or Obama was accused of that ... unless it's in some asshat wacko fringe site like in the OP. Generally, the public at large and even officials outside the in4elligence agency are not give the US citizen's name ... unless there is a reason collecting intelligence or understanding some issue needs the unmasking. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread. But if you want to assert some Trump guys were wrongfully unmasked... go for it.There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
You DO have a right of anonymity in Foreign conversations. OTHERWISE if you run a multinational business, some GS18 security analyst could bankrupt your companies' stock price or get rich based on info. US citizens are NOT revealed in FOREIGN intercepts unless there is a SPECIFIC warrant from the FISA court (FISC) to surveil that person or organization or a special request from a group that used to be 20 or 30 people (Obama made that 100s) to UNmask that person.
The issue is -- The Patriotic Act DOMESTIC spy operation operates on BULK WARRANTS. Meaning that since they collect and store EVERY e-comm in the US domestically -- they don't NEED special warrants to retain ID information in the database. So it's ripe for abuse, probably HAS been abused by the Dem Admin. And the FISA court just issued this memo OUTLINING their abuses and lack of NSA compliance. It HAPPENED..
As to your second paragraph, why do you assert only the dems abused bulk data?
Shit they all use bulk data, we're all and USMB being watched as we type.
Whatever doc. Whether it was right or wrong to spy on Merkle is not the issue, the issue is it's not illegal and has nothing to do with the US const.
Whatever you say Doc. You're clearly well versed in the 4th Amend.
Debbie, I pretty much signed off on the bulk data thing after this.
No, NSA Phone Spying Has Not Ended
I think it's still a real possibility they collect bulk, or metadata, concerning drug and child porn crimes.
I'd have an easier time taking you seriously if you acknowledged that W's administration was actually doing the warrantless domestic spying.Well, the intelligence agency that intercepts a US citizen's call from the US to an overseas entity knows who the American is, and any information that can lead to a warrant is fair game. And that apparently is what caught up Team Trump. THAT was the OP subject: illegal OVERSEA spying. I don't think either W or Obama was accused of that ... unless it's in some asshat wacko fringe site like in the OP. Generally, the public at large and even officials outside the in4elligence agency are not give the US citizen's name ... unless there is a reason collecting intelligence or understanding some issue needs the unmasking. But again, that has nothing to do with the thread. But if you want to assert some Trump guys were wrongfully unmasked... go for it.There are two different things here. If I call someone in Russia or someone calls me, I never have had a fourth amend right to keep the gummit from listening ON MY PHONE. Whether the NSA taps Merkels phone in Bonn is not a constitutional issue. And it's not a dem/gop issue. Easy would blow Trump for doing what he'd impeach a dem for doing.It's just Easy lying again. There's never been a legal prohibition about intercepting phone calls OUTSIDE the US. If Trump calls from the WH to Putin in Russia, he's fair game, for example. .
Not completely. There is no US law against it. But the countries in which we operate may have laws against it, such as in Russia it's probably illegal for America to intercept Russian phone calls.
But we do it anyway. It's only against the law if you get caught.
You DO have a right of anonymity in Foreign conversations. OTHERWISE if you run a multinational business, some GS18 security analyst could bankrupt your companies' stock price or get rich based on info. US citizens are NOT revealed in FOREIGN intercepts unless there is a SPECIFIC warrant from the FISA court (FISC) to surveil that person or organization or a special request from a group that used to be 20 or 30 people (Obama made that 100s) to UNmask that person.
The issue is -- The Patriotic Act DOMESTIC spy operation operates on BULK WARRANTS. Meaning that since they collect and store EVERY e-comm in the US domestically -- they don't NEED special warrants to retain ID information in the database. So it's ripe for abuse, probably HAS been abused by the Dem Admin. And the FISA court just issued this memo OUTLINING their abuses and lack of NSA compliance. It HAPPENED..
As to your second paragraph, why do you assert only the dems abused bulk data?
No.. Foreign intel ops are NOT interested in garden variety American criminal justice. No NEED to reveal identities of citizens and Organizations because they are not law enforcement. They are only interested in foreign affairs and any imminents threats to domestic security.
Yes --- to date --- the Blue Team has a large track record not only turning the Domestic "terrorist surveillance systems" into a political weapon, but also weaponizing the power of agencies like the IRS against groups like the Tea Party. The LATTER --- probably done with the CO-OPERATION of GOP leadership...
LOL. But the point is that I don't think US courts found what the Obama admin was doing with metadata, and that Snowden revealed, was actually illegal. It may have been morally wrong and even against the spirit of the 4th amendment (although that may be debated).Obama intel agency secretly conducted illegal searches on Americans for years
I say we impeach that sumbitch rat F'n now.
