Obama Scraps Registry Program for Muslim Men

[Rocko]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

"ineffective" according to who? Bush knew who the majority of the hijackers were within hours after the attack on 9/11 before the registry was ever built. Trump won't have to create anything...more FAKE NEWS. Obozo can't delete the registry...that would be willful destruction of government property. We all know he's been nothing more than a trojan horse for the muslim brotherhood from the beginning. Let him try to close GITMO before he pardons the hag...nobody is paying any attention to the creep anymore.

The various intelligence agencies, that's why they ended it's implementation.

According to who?

Department of Homeland Security (I was wrong in saying "various intelligence agencies): Former Homeland Security Staffer Says Muslim Registry Is "Easy" To Reinstate But "Ineffective"

Brown, who overall worked at DHS from 2005 through 2011 and is now director of immigration policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, told BuzzFeed News “I’m not sure I understand the rationale for it now.”

She added that NSEERS was “costly and ineffective” and that there was “a lot of confusion around the program.” For instance, registered individuals were supposed to periodically check in with local Immigration officers, but “people weren’t given the proper follow-up information,” Brown said.

Brown recalls that the program did lead to a few thousand deportations — mostly for individuals who had overstayed their visas. No suspected terrorists or terrorist plotters identified through the system were prosecuted, she said.​

So basically you don't have shit. Thanks.

 

[Fenton Lum]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

"ineffective" according to who? Bush knew who the majority of the hijackers were within hours after the attack on 9/11 before the registry was ever built. Trump won't have to create anything...more FAKE NEWS. Obozo can't delete the registry...that would be willful destruction of government property. We all know he's been nothing more than a trojan horse for the muslim brotherhood from the beginning. Let him try to close GITMO before he pardons the hag...nobody is paying any attention to the creep anymore.

The various intelligence agencies, that's why they ended it's implementation.

They ended it because they are traitors to the US and they want to see us inundated with criminal, murderous villains from shitholes.

Another poor lost soul radicalized on the internet.

 

[Coyote]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Thank you for that information, but you seemed to have missed my point. The idea of a registry for Middle Eastern men, for which Trump was demonized over by liberals, is a program that was already being used by the Federal Government...even by Barry himself.

So either the liberals attacking Trump over the registry idea were / are ignorant to this information, that such a program already existed, OR they are humongous hypocrites who don't care that it already existed.

Trump will have to create something from scratch? Not at all - that's why he has been advised to REVIVE the program. Are you suggesting that on the way out the Obama administration will delete the entire database of Muslims in this country that has been created and maintained for years?

Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

 

[Coyote]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

"ineffective" according to who? Bush knew who the majority of the hijackers were within hours after the attack on 9/11 before the registry was ever built. Trump won't have to create anything...more FAKE NEWS. Obozo can't delete the registry...that would be willful destruction of government property. We all know he's been nothing more than a trojan horse for the muslim brotherhood from the beginning. Let him try to close GITMO before he pardons the hag...nobody is paying any attention to the creep anymore.

The various intelligence agencies, that's why they ended it's implementation.

According to who?

Department of Homeland Security (I was wrong in saying "various intelligence agencies): Former Homeland Security Staffer Says Muslim Registry Is "Easy" To Reinstate But "Ineffective"

Brown, who overall worked at DHS from 2005 through 2011 and is now director of immigration policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, told BuzzFeed News “I’m not sure I understand the rationale for it now.”

She added that NSEERS was “costly and ineffective” and that there was “a lot of confusion around the program.” For instance, registered individuals were supposed to periodically check in with local Immigration officers, but “people weren’t given the proper follow-up information,” Brown said.

Brown recalls that the program did lead to a few thousand deportations — mostly for individuals who had overstayed their visas. No suspected terrorists or terrorist plotters identified through the system were prosecuted, she said.​

So basically you don't have shit. Thanks.

Or, more likely, you're a failure at discussing issues.

DHS has said it was not effective. Do you need more sources or are you just going to throw shit?

 

[Tom Horn]

Department of Homeland Security (I was wrong in saying "various intelligence agencies): Former Homeland Security Staffer Says Muslim Registry Is "Easy" To Reinstate But "Ineffective"

Brown, who overall worked at DHS from 2005 through 2011 and is now director of immigration policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, told BuzzFeed News “I’m not sure I understand the rationale for it now.”

She added that NSEERS was “costly and ineffective” and that there was “a lot of confusion around the program.” For instance, registered individuals were supposed to periodically check in with local Immigration officers, but “people weren’t given the proper follow-up information,” Brown said.

Brown recalls that the program did lead to a few thousand deportations — mostly for individuals who had overstayed their visas. No suspected terrorists or terrorist plotters identified through the system were prosecuted, she said.​

So some "staffer" is now a legal authority on executive power? Everything in this admin has been "costly and ineffective"...New data compiled by Bloomberg Government reveal that Obamacare has already cost taxpayers $73 billion, including $2.1 billion on its busted Obamacare website–a figure more than double what the Obama administration originally claimed. There's an unemployed software engineer on this board who could have set it up faster and more secure for a couple hundred bucks. Solyndra cost us $535M because the dumbass never bothered to check out the competition from China. He tried to stop the bin-Laden raid and was overruled by Jarret and Panetta. He's ruled by EO because he can't sell money at half-price to a savvy Congress....the only people who believe a word he says are either dopers or whites terrified of blacks thinking he gives a shit about them. If he has a single hair on his ass (doubtful) he'll let Hillary face what's coming her way from Sessions and Comey.

 

[easyt65]

Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

And terrorist attacks already perpetrated in the US have proven a need for such an EXPANDED registry.

 

[Rocko]

"ineffective" according to who? Bush knew who the majority of the hijackers were within hours after the attack on 9/11 before the registry was ever built. Trump won't have to create anything...more FAKE NEWS. Obozo can't delete the registry...that would be willful destruction of government property. We all know he's been nothing more than a trojan horse for the muslim brotherhood from the beginning. Let him try to close GITMO before he pardons the hag...nobody is paying any attention to the creep anymore.

The various intelligence agencies, that's why they ended it's implementation.

According to who?

Department of Homeland Security (I was wrong in saying "various intelligence agencies): Former Homeland Security Staffer Says Muslim Registry Is "Easy" To Reinstate But "Ineffective"

Brown, who overall worked at DHS from 2005 through 2011 and is now director of immigration policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, told BuzzFeed News “I’m not sure I understand the rationale for it now.”

She added that NSEERS was “costly and ineffective” and that there was “a lot of confusion around the program.” For instance, registered individuals were supposed to periodically check in with local Immigration officers, but “people weren’t given the proper follow-up information,” Brown said.

Brown recalls that the program did lead to a few thousand deportations — mostly for individuals who had overstayed their visas. No suspected terrorists or terrorist plotters identified through the system were prosecuted, she said.​

So basically you don't have shit. Thanks.

Or, more likely, you're a failure at discussing issues.

DHS has said it was not effective. Do you need more sources or are you just going to throw shit?

Oh please, you lied about the intelligence agencies. Now you're lying about the department of HLS. That link you posted had one former staffer saying the program was ineffective. Hardly proof of the consensus at HLS, wouldn't you say? So yeah supply some proof (you haven't supplied any) that there was a prevailing thought somewhere that the program was ineffective.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Thank you for that information, but you seemed to have missed my point. The idea of a registry for Middle Eastern men, for which Trump was demonized over by liberals, is a program that was already being used by the Federal Government...even by Barry himself.

So either the liberals attacking Trump over the registry idea were / are ignorant to this information, that such a program already existed, OR they are humongous hypocrites who don't care that it already existed.

Trump will have to create something from scratch? Not at all - that's why he has been advised to REVIVE the program. Are you suggesting that on the way out the Obama administration will delete the entire database of Muslims in this country that has been created and maintained for years?

Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

 

[percysunshine]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

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Maybe Trump will be fast and furious about it.

 

[Tom Horn]

Did you bother to read it? The Wall Street Journal is not considered liberal.

Do I need to resort to trash like InfoWars or the National Enquirer?

The WSJ hates Trump...they said he was going to tax ALLcorps at 35% the other day, not just the border-jumpers....he replied they didn't know anything about business. The WSJ editorial board is full of leftist pinheads.

 

[Coyote]

Department of Homeland Security (I was wrong in saying "various intelligence agencies): Former Homeland Security Staffer Says Muslim Registry Is "Easy" To Reinstate But "Ineffective"

Brown, who overall worked at DHS from 2005 through 2011 and is now director of immigration policy at the Bipartisan Policy Center, told BuzzFeed News “I’m not sure I understand the rationale for it now.”

She added that NSEERS was “costly and ineffective” and that there was “a lot of confusion around the program.” For instance, registered individuals were supposed to periodically check in with local Immigration officers, but “people weren’t given the proper follow-up information,” Brown said.

Brown recalls that the program did lead to a few thousand deportations — mostly for individuals who had overstayed their visas. No suspected terrorists or terrorist plotters identified through the system were prosecuted, she said.​

So some "staffer" is now a legal authority on executive power? Everything in this admin has been "costly and ineffective"...New data compiled by Bloomberg Government reveal that Obamacare has already cost taxpayers $73 billion, including $2.1 billion on its busted Obamacare website–a figure more than double what the Obama administration originally claimed. There's an unemployed software engineer on this board who could have set it up faster and more secure for a couple hundred bucks. Solyndra cost us $535M because the dumbass never bothered to check out the competition from China. He tried to stop the bin-Laden raid and was overruled by Jarret and Panetta. He's ruled by EO because he can't sell money at half-price to a savvy Congress....the only people who believe a word he says are either dopers or whites terrified of blacks thinking he gives a shit about them. If he has a single hair on his ass (doubtful) he'll let Hillary face what's coming her way from Sessions and Comey.

And all that has what to do with the post 9/11 registry program?

Here is another source:

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has officially ended a Bush-Era registry created after 9/11 to track men from predominantly Muslim countries. The registry known as the National Security Entry-Exit Registration System (NSEERS) was shown to be ineffective and had not been used for years, but the basic structure remained. NSEERS will be dismantled through a published regulation in the Federal Register this week called a final rule.




In justifying this action, the administration noted in the background information accompanying the rule that the government now has systems in place that are much more efficient at collecting information relevant to determining whether or not a foreign national poses a security threat and should be admitted to the U.S. In fact, with the suspension of the domestic registration requirements of NSEERS announced in 2003 and the de-listing of targeted countries in 2011, the functions of this regulation had been rendered un-operational long ago.


In part, the administration is responding to recommendations from the DHS Office of Inspector General (OIG). In 2012, the OIG issued a report about border security and information sharing about foreign nationals. The OIG report listed several information collection programs the government had in place at the time the report was issued that were much more efficient compared to the NSEERS program.


For example, NSEERS relied on self-reported information from target populations. Meanwhile, the government was collecting information from a much broader population of noncitizens entering the country—through fingerprints, flight manifests, travel and identity documents and intelligence sources. None of these methods depended on what individuals might say in an interview with a government agent. These other systems were more valuable in determining potential security risks.​

Can you provide any information that shows it was effective beyond a "it makes us feel safe" metric?

 

[Coyote]

Did you bother to read it? The Wall Street Journal is not considered liberal.

Do I need to resort to trash like InfoWars or the National Enquirer?

The WSJ hates Trump...they said he was going to tax ALLcorps at 35% the other day, not just the border-jumpers....he replied they didn't know anything about business. The WSJ editorial board is full of leftist pinheads.

Actually, the WSJ editorial section is considered to lean conservative.

I'm beginning to think Trump supportors are as thin skinned about criticism as their Messiah.

 

[Tom Horn]

Wait a sec - are you saying that the media is not allowed to say anything critical of the president?

That's correct....they no longer have the license or cache to say a word about anything....all they print and broadcast is FAKE NEWS. Wakey wakey......we've had enough of their pravda and isvestia. Watch the reactions when Trump was called the election winner.....disgusting.

 

[easyt65]

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Obama himself has admitted that his administration's ability to vette them before they enter the country is damn-near impossible. He proved that when he gave a terrorist a visa, and they traveled to Ca before murdering 12 Americans.

So why the hell would you push to bring in millions of un-vetted Muslims from nations infested with terrorists - nations notorious for hating the US and wishing us ill, especially when your own security agencies are telling you they have been infiltrated with terrorists...especially after some of them have murdered Americans in terrorist attacks?

 

[Coyote]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Thank you for that information, but you seemed to have missed my point. The idea of a registry for Middle Eastern men, for which Trump was demonized over by liberals, is a program that was already being used by the Federal Government...even by Barry himself.

So either the liberals attacking Trump over the registry idea were / are ignorant to this information, that such a program already existed, OR they are humongous hypocrites who don't care that it already existed.

Trump will have to create something from scratch? Not at all - that's why he has been advised to REVIVE the program. Are you suggesting that on the way out the Obama administration will delete the entire database of Muslims in this country that has been created and maintained for years?

Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Not constitutional. Fortunately.

 

[easyt65]

Not constitutional. Fortunately.

How about if they come into the country illegally, which MAKES them a criminal?

Just like the cops do with every criminal they catch breaking the law, I think they could / should be photographed, finger-printed, DNA collected, and entered into a database. What say you?

 

[toomuchtime_]

"Obama ditches registry focused on immigrant men from Muslim countries"

"The Obama administration announced Thursday it is formally scrapping a once-mandatory registry for immigrant men from predominantly Muslim countries, amid speculation over whether the incoming Donald Trump administration may try to renew it.

The U.S. already had stopped using the program in 2011.

The original National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, or NSEERs, launched about a year after 9/11, requiring men and boys from a variety of mostly Middle Eastern countries to register with the federal government upon their arrival in the U.S. Registration, which also applied to immigrants from North Korea, included fingerprints and photographs and a requirement to notify the government of any address changes."

Whaaaaaaat? You mean a program that calls for Muslim Men to register ALREADY EXISTS? A program Obama himself / his administration also ran until 2011.

B...b...but I thought, according to snowflakes, that this was a brand new racist anti-Muslim idea Donald trump had come up with...and it turns out the United States had already been doing this.

The database on Muslims Trump was criticized for suggesting be created? yeah, it already exists, too:

"However, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Trump immigration adviser during the campaign, said last month that Trump should renew the DHS database."

"When the Obama administration abandoned the DHS system in April 2011, it said a newer data collection program would be sufficient to collect biometric information for all foreigners coming into the country. At the time, more than 80,000 foreigners were registered."


I am sure not mentioning any of this during their demonization of Trump was just an oversight on the part of snowflakes.




Obama ditches registry focused on immigrant men from Muslim countries

It is strange that a terror attack in Germany by a Muslim immigrant would move Obama to make it harder to track Muslim immigrants in the US.

 

[Tom Horn]

Actually, the WSJ editorial section is considered to lean conservative.

I'm beginning to think Trump supportors are as thin skinned about criticism as their Messiah.

We are neither thin-skinned or in need of a Messiah. I don't think you're lying on purpose...I just don't think you know any better. Here ya go....WSJ columnist urges voters to pick Clinton over 'unstable' Trump

 

[Tom Horn]

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

They should all be made to take a loyalty oath and disavow sharia....otherwise...THEY GONE.

 

[easyt65]

They should all be made to take a loyalty oath and disavow sharia....otherwise...THEY GONE.

That is an interesting idea...before any Muslims are allowed to stay they must sign a loyalty pledge and disavow Sharia.... Then again, of course, the Koran states it is ok for Muslims to lie in cases like this.