Obama Scraps Registry Program for Muslim Men

[Tom Horn]

Do they deserve greater consideration than the victims of, say gun violence? Or non-Islamic terrorism?

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

I use gun violence as a very good comparison. Both religion and guns are hardcore rights in our Constitution, both have been used to commit violent acts. Attempting to ban or restrict either runs into constitutional issues.

You talk about "peace loving Muslims" - I'm talking about American citizens and their rights.

Sure thing...tell that to the families of the fallen:


Country City Killed Injured Description
1972.04.14 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1973.01.19 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
1973.07.01 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
1973.07.18 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
1973.10.19 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
1973.10.29 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.11.25 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.11 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
1973.12.13 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.20 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
1973.12.22 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
1973.12.24 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1974.01.24 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
1974.04.01 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
1974.04.16 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1977.03.09 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
1980.07.22 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
1980.08.31 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1989.11.06 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1990.01.31 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
1990.11.05 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1993.01.25 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
1993.02.26 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
1994.03.01 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
1997.03.23 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
1997.04.03 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
2000.03.17 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.

Do they deserve greater consideration than the victims of, say gun violence? Or non-Islamic terrorism?

Yes, because there is a direct assignable cause in this case. Develop direct assignable causes in your other cases and they then deserve the same consideration. Just be sure to include automobiles since they claim more lives violently than do guns.

 

[Cellblock2429]

"Obama ditches registry focused on immigrant men from Muslim countries"

"The Obama administration announced Thursday it is formally scrapping a once-mandatory registry for immigrant men from predominantly Muslim countries, amid speculation over whether the incoming Donald Trump administration may try to renew it.

The U.S. already had stopped using the program in 2011.

The original National Security Entry-Exit Registration System, or NSEERs, launched about a year after 9/11, requiring men and boys from a variety of mostly Middle Eastern countries to register with the federal government upon their arrival in the U.S. Registration, which also applied to immigrants from North Korea, included fingerprints and photographs and a requirement to notify the government of any address changes."

Whaaaaaaat? You mean a program that calls for Muslim Men to register ALREADY EXISTS? A program Obama himself / his administration also ran until 2011.

B...b...but I thought, according to snowflakes, that this was a brand new racist anti-Muslim idea Donald trump had come up with...and it turns out the United States had already been doing this.

The database on Muslims Trump was criticized for suggesting be created? yeah, it already exists, too:

"However, Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a Trump immigration adviser during the campaign, said last month that Trump should renew the DHS database."

"When the Obama administration abandoned the DHS system in April 2011, it said a newer data collection program would be sufficient to collect biometric information for all foreigners coming into the country. At the time, more than 80,000 foreigners were registered."


I am sure not mentioning any of this during their demonization of Trump was just an oversight on the part of snowflakes.




Obama ditches registry focused on immigrant men from Muslim countries

Further proof Liberals are evil.

 

[jc456]

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise

Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.​

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.

Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

 

[Tilly]

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

They should all be made to take a loyalty oath and disavow sharia....otherwise...THEY GONE.

No point. Taqiyya.

 

[koshergrl]

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

"ineffective" according to who? Bush knew who the majority of the hijackers were within hours after the attack on 9/11 before the registry was ever built. Trump won't have to create anything...more FAKE NEWS. Obozo can't delete the registry...that would be willful destruction of government property. We all know he's been nothing more than a trojan horse for the muslim brotherhood from the beginning. Let him try to close GITMO before he pardons the hag...nobody is paying any attention to the creep anymore.

The various intelligence agencies, that's why they ended it's implementation.

They ended it because they are traitors to the US and they want to see us inundated with criminal, murderous villains from shitholes.

Another poor lost soul radicalized on the internet.

Er..no. My family has always despised the unconstitutional *agencies* that communist idiots like you pray will eliminate the Constitution.

 

[Coyote]

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise

Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.​

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.

Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

 

[jc456]

Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

 

[Coyote]

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

 

[jc456]

I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

You should go read your own posts then

 

[Coyote]

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

You should go read your own posts then

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

 

[jc456]

Well again, you seem to be choosing immigrants in higher standards than Americans. You keep doubling down.

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

You should go read your own posts then

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

 

[Coyote]

Why can't you answer a simple question? All you seem to be able to do is dodge and fling insults.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

You should go read your own posts then

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

 

[jc456]

I already gave up security, you didn't see my earlier post about sports? Why do I give up more for someone who wants me dead? Why do you want to stomp on my american rights in my country?

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

You should go read your own posts then

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

 

[Coyote]

How is pointing out your FALSE claims "stomping on your American rights"? You claim I believe we should let people into the country vetting. That's false.

You should go read your own posts then

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Exactly how does that say I want to let people into this country without vetting?

 

[jc456]

You should go read your own posts then

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Exactly how does that say I want to let people into this country without vetting?

You think trump should start from scratch! Why? Ineffective? it was stopped in 2011. You infer the past is lost.

 

[Coyote]

No. You should.

You repeat false claim after false claim, you lob insults, and you avoid discussion.

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Exactly how does that say I want to let people into this country without vetting?

You think trump should start from scratch! Why? Ineffective? it was stopped in 2011. You infer the past is lost.

It was unofficially ended earlier than 2011, it ended 2003. It was judged ineffective, did not result in any charges or prosecutions for terrorism, and was made redundant by other intelligence programs.

It had no effect whatsoever on "vetting" of immigrants or refugees. So where am I saying I'm opposed to any vetting?

 

[jc456]

I read just fine perhaps your writing skills are lacking.

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Exactly how does that say I want to let people into this country without vetting?

You think trump should start from scratch! Why? Ineffective? it was stopped in 2011. You infer the past is lost.

It was unofficially ended earlier than 2011, it ended 2003. It was judged ineffective, did not result in any charges or prosecutions for terrorism, and was made redundant by other intelligence programs.

It had no effect whatsoever on "vetting" of immigrants or refugees. So where am I saying I'm opposed to any vetting?

Did you bother to read it? The Wall Street Journal is not considered liberal.

Do I need to resort to trash like InfoWars or the National Enquirer?

The WSJ hates Trump...they said he was going to tax ALLcorps at 35% the other day, not just the border-jumpers....he replied they didn't know anything about business. The WSJ editorial board is full of leftist pinheads.

Actually, the WSJ editorial section is considered to lean conservative.

I'm beginning to think Trump supportors are as thin skinned about criticism as their Messiah.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Obama himself has admitted that his administration's ability to vette them before they enter the country is damn-near impossible. He proved that when he gave a terrorist a visa, and they traveled to Ca before murdering 12 Americans.

So why the hell would you push to bring in millions of un-vetted Muslims from nations infested with terrorists - nations notorious for hating the US and wishing us ill, especially when your own security agencies are telling you they have been infiltrated with terrorists...especially after some of them have murdered Americans in terrorist attacks?

They aren't unvetted.

Portman says FBI chief said Syrian refugees can't be vetted

Portman said, "The director of the FBI said that we cannot figure out who (Syrian refugees) are, what their intentions are, because we have no information on them, because we don’t have any contact with the Syrian government or any people on the ground to be able to determine that."


Portman had a point that Comey expressed concerns about information gaps on potential Syrian refugees. However, he exaggerated the extent of Comey’s concerns when he said that Comey indicated that "we cannot figure out" who they are, and that we have "no information on them." All told, Comey said the vetting process is thorough, but imperfect.​

Refugee's are the least likely avenue for terrorism - it's a multi-year process to even get accepted.. We are a country of immigrants and refugees - and those people have been through hell, a hell which we have some small reasponsibility for. What we should concentrate on is other programs and preventing radicalization within the country.

 

[Coyote]

If you can read just fine JC, then please show me where I've ever said we should just let "trash" into our country without vetting?

It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.

Exactly how does that say I want to let people into this country without vetting?

You think trump should start from scratch! Why? Ineffective? it was stopped in 2011. You infer the past is lost.

It was unofficially ended earlier than 2011, it ended 2003. It was judged ineffective, did not result in any charges or prosecutions for terrorism, and was made redundant by other intelligence programs.

It had no effect whatsoever on "vetting" of immigrants or refugees. So where am I saying I'm opposed to any vetting?

Did you bother to read it? The Wall Street Journal is not considered liberal.

Do I need to resort to trash like InfoWars or the National Enquirer?

The WSJ hates Trump...they said he was going to tax ALLcorps at 35% the other day, not just the border-jumpers....he replied they didn't know anything about business. The WSJ editorial board is full of leftist pinheads.

Actually, the WSJ editorial section is considered to lean conservative.

I'm beginning to think Trump supportors are as thin skinned about criticism as their Messiah.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Obama himself has admitted that his administration's ability to vette them before they enter the country is damn-near impossible. He proved that when he gave a terrorist a visa, and they traveled to Ca before murdering 12 Americans.

So why the hell would you push to bring in millions of un-vetted Muslims from nations infested with terrorists - nations notorious for hating the US and wishing us ill, especially when your own security agencies are telling you they have been infiltrated with terrorists...especially after some of them have murdered Americans in terrorist attacks?

They aren't unvetted.

Portman says FBI chief said Syrian refugees can't be vetted

Portman said, "The director of the FBI said that we cannot figure out who (Syrian refugees) are, what their intentions are, because we have no information on them, because we don’t have any contact with the Syrian government or any people on the ground to be able to determine that."


Portman had a point that Comey expressed concerns about information gaps on potential Syrian refugees. However, he exaggerated the extent of Comey’s concerns when he said that Comey indicated that "we cannot figure out" who they are, and that we have "no information on them." All told, Comey said the vetting process is thorough, but imperfect.​

Refugee's are the least likely avenue for terrorism - it's a multi-year process to even get accepted.. We are a country of immigrants and refugees - and those people have been through hell, a hell which we have some small reasponsibility for. What we should concentrate on is other programs and preventing radicalization within the country.

Ok...so you quoted on some stuff but no where am I saying I'm opposed to vetting of immigrants or refugees.

 

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Exactly how does that say I want to let people into this country without vetting?

You think trump should start from scratch! Why? Ineffective? it was stopped in 2011. You infer the past is lost.

It was unofficially ended earlier than 2011, it ended 2003. It was judged ineffective, did not result in any charges or prosecutions for terrorism, and was made redundant by other intelligence programs.

It had no effect whatsoever on "vetting" of immigrants or refugees. So where am I saying I'm opposed to any vetting?

Did you bother to read it? The Wall Street Journal is not considered liberal.

Do I need to resort to trash like InfoWars or the National Enquirer?

The WSJ hates Trump...they said he was going to tax ALLcorps at 35% the other day, not just the border-jumpers....he replied they didn't know anything about business. The WSJ editorial board is full of leftist pinheads.

Actually, the WSJ editorial section is considered to lean conservative.

I'm beginning to think Trump supportors are as thin skinned about criticism as their Messiah.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Obama himself has admitted that his administration's ability to vette them before they enter the country is damn-near impossible. He proved that when he gave a terrorist a visa, and they traveled to Ca before murdering 12 Americans.

So why the hell would you push to bring in millions of un-vetted Muslims from nations infested with terrorists - nations notorious for hating the US and wishing us ill, especially when your own security agencies are telling you they have been infiltrated with terrorists...especially after some of them have murdered Americans in terrorist attacks?

They aren't unvetted.

Portman says FBI chief said Syrian refugees can't be vetted

Portman said, "The director of the FBI said that we cannot figure out who (Syrian refugees) are, what their intentions are, because we have no information on them, because we don’t have any contact with the Syrian government or any people on the ground to be able to determine that."


Portman had a point that Comey expressed concerns about information gaps on potential Syrian refugees. However, he exaggerated the extent of Comey’s concerns when he said that Comey indicated that "we cannot figure out" who they are, and that we have "no information on them." All told, Comey said the vetting process is thorough, but imperfect.​

Refugee's are the least likely avenue for terrorism - it's a multi-year process to even get accepted.. We are a country of immigrants and refugees - and those people have been through hell, a hell which we have some small reasponsibility for. What we should concentrate on is other programs and preventing radicalization within the country.

Ok...so you quoted on some stuff but no where am I saying I'm opposed to vetting of immigrants or refugees.

As I stated, you infer it