Obama Scraps Registry Program for Muslim Men

No one should ever be forced to take a loyalty pledge unless every citizen is required and even then I would object. We are not a police state. Nor should they be humiliated by making "public statements". They should do what any other immigrant or citizen is required to do - obey our laws.

Wait until your local supermarket can no longer guarantee you safe food to eat. Do you have any idea what's coming at us? We are at WAR with these muslim animals who don't wear uniforms and act normal right up to when they start shooting. You don't know murderous violence...it's conceptual to you, not reality. Got any idea how many of these freaks have white girlfriends who get caught in the undertow of suicide vests and pressure-cooker bombs? Don't wait until it visits your door to stop this knee-jerk defense of these freedom-hating mongrels.

I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.
 
That points out though, doesn't it - that these are the avenues that we still need to get better on checking and vetting right? It's never going to be 100% unless ou advocate for a police state and no one wants that.
I can completely agree with you on that!

(And that is why it is important to maturely, calmly discuss issues together. Thank you.)
 
It was a legacy from the Bush administration that was found to be largely ineffective. Trump will now have to create something from scratch. And take the heat for it.
Thank you for that information, but you seemed to have missed my point. The idea of a registry for Middle Eastern men, for which Trump was demonized over by liberals, is a program that was already being used by the Federal Government...even by Barry himself.

So either the liberals attacking Trump over the registry idea were / are ignorant to this information, that such a program already existed, OR they are humongous hypocrites who don't care that it already existed.

Trump will have to create something from scratch? Not at all - that's why he has been advised to REVIVE the program. Are you suggesting that on the way out the Obama administration will delete the entire database of Muslims in this country that has been created and maintained for years?


Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Not constitutional. Fortunately.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. Fingerprints are already being done and DNA testing can easily be added as an admission step.

Are you talking about US Citizens or are you talking about immigrants? I'm referring to US citizens.
 
Thank you for that information, but you seemed to have missed my point. The idea of a registry for Middle Eastern men, for which Trump was demonized over by liberals, is a program that was already being used by the Federal Government...even by Barry himself.

So either the liberals attacking Trump over the registry idea were / are ignorant to this information, that such a program already existed, OR they are humongous hypocrites who don't care that it already existed.

Trump will have to create something from scratch? Not at all - that's why he has been advised to REVIVE the program. Are you suggesting that on the way out the Obama administration will delete the entire database of Muslims in this country that has been created and maintained for years?


Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Not constitutional. Fortunately.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. Fingerprints are already being done and DNA testing can easily be added as an admission step.

Are you talking about US Citizens or are you talking about immigrants? I'm referring to US citizens.

Pupps is and was speaking of immigrants.
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.
 
They aren't unvetted.
I stand corrected - the terrorist to whom the Obama administration gave a visa, allowed into the country, and who ended up murdering 12 Americans was not 'UN-vetted' - they were just PISS-POORLY vetted.

That wasn't a refugee.
No, she was piss-poorly vetted before being given a K-1 'Fiance' Visa'

The Obama administration boasts that the fiancé visa program 'has one of the more rigorous security screening processes — presenting far more hurdles than other avenues for foreigners to enter the U.S.'....only to be debunked by this terrorist being welcomed into the US and murdering 12 Americans in California.
Wasn't it 14?
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise


Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.
 
Except you kind of overlook another point. The post 9/11 registry was for non-citizen muslim men visiting the US. Trump's idea - at least his initial idea was for ALL Muslims including US citizens to register in a database.

Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Not constitutional. Fortunately.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. Fingerprints are already being done and DNA testing can easily be added as an admission step.

Are you talking about US Citizens or are you talking about immigrants? I'm referring to US citizens.

Pupps is and was speaking of immigrants.

Ok - apples and oranges then. DNA testing could be added but at what cost? Fingerprints seem more than adequate.
 
I read their sports page. :lol:

Of course not....I haven't touched a newspaper in 7 or 8 years.....and I have a degree in print journalism. :eusa_doh:

Well...we can probably agree on this...news and media in many ways has gone downhill. Far less depth and checking for accuracy. It's all soundbytes and rush to get it out in a tweet or a bumpersticker sized slogan. Pretty sad.
Why do you hate Americans?

Why do you?
Who do I hate? You're the one trying to divide the country!

No idea what you are talking on, but please...chatter on :)
News media and fake news! You seem to be ok with fake news. It's all MSM prints and airs!
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise


Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.
Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter
 
They should all be made to take a loyalty oath and disavow sharia....otherwise...THEY GONE.
That is an interesting idea...before any Muslims are allowed to stay they must sign a loyalty pledge and disavow Sharia.... Then again, of course, the Koran states it is ok for Muslims to lie in cases like this.

True but forcing them to make a PUBLIC statement will sting and the die-hards will refuse and run to the ACLU...remember, they are trained to use our love of civil liberties against us. Trump should jail the entire ACLU just for the hell of it...let em out in a couple weeks...should clear their heads about the new sheriff in town.

No one should ever be forced to take a loyalty pledge unless every citizen is required and even then I would object. We are not a police state. Nor should they be humiliated by making "public statements". They should do what any other immigrant or citizen is required to do - obey our laws.
And your pattern continues
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise


Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.
Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?
 
Honestly, they should also be printed and DNA tested.

Not constitutional. Fortunately.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. Fingerprints are already being done and DNA testing can easily be added as an admission step.

Are you talking about US Citizens or are you talking about immigrants? I'm referring to US citizens.

Pupps is and was speaking of immigrants.

Ok - apples and oranges then. DNA testing could be added but at what cost? Fingerprints seem more than adequate.

The value in DNA testing is the ability it gives to penetrate a network after the fact. A room, for example, can be easily wiped down if you know how. A single shed hair can lead to associations.

The cost per individual is significantly less than a single week of financial support by the government to immigrants. Plus the fingerprint data base has multiple entries with the same prints.

Fingerprint records reveal 825,000 immigrants with multiple names, inconsistent birth dates
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise


Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.
Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?
I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected
 
I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

We should have "acted" when Clinton was offered bin-Laden and froze. We should have "acted" when the Blind Sheik first bombed the WTC in 1993. He should have been hanged from a street lamp. Our Constitution isn't a suicide-pact. We have every right to defend ourselves proactively instead of mopping up the bone and brains while the weepers put flower arrangements on the blood stains, then do nothing. I've told you what should be done and you still come back with "gun violence" as if the weapons we protect ourselves with have any place in a conversation about islamic murderers. Would you ban trucks and pressure-cookers along with the family pistol to protect "peace loving" muslims? Not me or my kind and we just got our man elected. I have no further use for any muslim inside our borders. They either swear an allegiance oath and disavow sharia or they go back to whatever den of hatred they came from. There is no turning back....we are IN world war 3.
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

- deaths through random gun violence?
- drunk driving deaths?
- deaths through non-Islamic terrorism?


According to: 4 surprising facts from the 2015 Global Terrorism Index

The West is remarkably insulated from terrorism, but “lone wolf” attacks are on the rise


Just 2.6 percent of deaths in 21st-century terror attacks took place in Western countries, which include the United States, Canada, Australia and Europe nations. Excluding those who died on 9/11, that figure is just 0.5 percent.


Large-scale attacks coordinated by international terrorist groups (such as 9/11 attacks and the recent deadly assault on Paris) garner a disproportionate amount of media attention. But so-called lone wolves — individuals or small groups working without the aid of a larger organization — are responsible for 70 percent of terrorism deaths in the West, and that number is rising. The Boston Marathon bombings are an example of a lone wolf attack, as were the 2011 Norway attacks that killed 77 people.


The Norway attacks also highlight the little-known fact that political extremism, not Islamic fundamentalism, drives most lone wolf attacks in the West. The Norway attacker, Anders Behring Breivik, cited right-wing, ultranationalist political views as the reason he carried out that attack. Breivik is not alone: between 2008 and 2014, politically-motivated attackers were responsible for 67 percent of deaths by lone wolf terrorism. Islamic fundamentalists accounted for roughly 20 percent.

Given this - how much are you willing to give up for increased security? I think that's always a fine line we walk in maintaining a free and open society for all our citizens and keeping our citizenry safe.
Well the idea is to protect Americans. Again, seems you don't want American's to be safe! You're good with letting anyone in no matter

JC...are you actually going to contribute to a discussion or, is fly-by crap all you can come up with?

I notice you don't answer the question, you just fling mud.

How much are you willing to give up for increased security?
I'm already giving in. Go to any sporting events lately? Why do you believe Americans should just let trash into our country without vetting? You only want Americans affected

I've never believed that nor have I said that. That's what I mean - you just fling mud and false accusations.
 
Not surprising. Barack Hussein Obama has always hated America, and especially 'Whitey.' Hopefully, Trump can rebuild Obama's dismantled Immigration System. He intentionally created an Immigration catastrophe. The sooner he's gone, the better off America will be. Good riddance.
 
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I base my decisions on what is supported by evidence and try not to take what are, in reality - isolated incidents as more than they are. Yes, we need to be vigilant on security of incoming immigrants. I don't think anyone disputes that. But how far are you willing to go compromise freedoms and civil liberties? It's not a whole lot different than the gun control arguments.

"isolated incidents"? What kind of body-count do you find acceptable? Got any idea how many jihadists have been "coyoted" in over the mehican border? We in Arizona have a pretty good idea and it's not a small number. Would a ten-city attack on Christmas Eve shopping malls open your eyes? How about hundreds of Americans gagging on cyanide-tainted hamburger? These animals want to kill YOU and your liberal leanings are what they pray to their pervert god for...wake up.

I don't think any "body count" is "acceptable". But what makes you decide at what point to act, and to what degree? How much freedom or how many civil rights are you willing to give up for:

We should have "acted" when Clinton was offered bin-Laden and froze. We should have "acted" when the Blind Sheik first bombed the WTC in 1993. He should have been hanged from a street lamp. Our Constitution isn't a suicide-pact. We have every right to defend ourselves proactively instead of mopping up the bone and brains while the weepers put flower arrangements on the blood stains, then doing nothing. I've told you what should be done and you still come back with "gun violence" as if the weapons we protect ourselves with have any place in a conversation about islamic murderers. Would you ban trucks and pressure-cookers along with the family pistol to protect "peace loving" muslims. Not me or my kind and we just got our man elected. I have no further use for any muslim inside our borders. They either swear an allegiance oath and disavow sharia or they go back to whatever den of hatred they came from. There is no turning back....we are IN world war 3.

I use gun violence as a very good comparison. Both religion and guns are hardcore rights in our Constitution, both have been used to commit violent acts. Attempting to ban or restrict either runs into constitutional issues.

You talk about "peace loving Muslims" - I'm talking about American citizens and their rights.
 
I use gun violence as a very good comparison. Both religion and guns are hardcore rights in our Constitution, both have been used to commit violent acts. Attempting to ban or restrict either runs into constitutional issues.

You talk about "peace loving Muslims" - I'm talking about American citizens and their rights.

Sure thing...tell that to the families of the fallen:


Country City Killed Injured Description
1972.04.14 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1973.01.19 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
1973.07.01 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
1973.07.18 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
1973.10.19 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
1973.10.29 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.11.25 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.11 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
1973.12.13 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.20 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
1973.12.22 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
1973.12.24 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1974.01.24 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
1974.04.01 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
1974.04.16 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1977.03.09 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
1980.07.22 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
1980.08.31 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1989.11.06 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1990.01.31 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
1990.11.05 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1993.01.25 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
1993.02.26 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
1994.03.01 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
1997.03.23 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
1997.04.03 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
2000.03.17 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.
 
I use gun violence as a very good comparison. Both religion and guns are hardcore rights in our Constitution, both have been used to commit violent acts. Attempting to ban or restrict either runs into constitutional issues.

You talk about "peace loving Muslims" - I'm talking about American citizens and their rights.

Sure thing...tell that to the families of the fallen:


Country City Killed Injured Description
1972.04.14 USA New York, NY 1 3 Ten members of a local mosque phone in a false alarm and then ambush responding officers, killing one.
1973.01.19 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 1 Muslim extremists rob a sporting goods store for weapons, gunning down a police officer who responds to the alarm.
1973.07.01 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 An Israeli diplomat is gunned down in his driveway by Palestinian terrorists.
1973.07.18 USA Washington, DC 8 2 Nation of Islam members shoot seven members of a family to death in cold blood, including four children. A defendant in the case is later murdered in prison on orders from Elijah Muhammad.
1973.10.19 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 Nation of Islam terrorists kidnap a couple and nearly decapitate the man, while raping and leaving the woman for dead.
1973.10.29 USA Berkeley, CA 1 0 A woman is shot repeatedly in the face by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.11.25 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A grocer is killed in his store by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.11 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is killed by Nation of Islam terrorists while using a phone booth.
1973.12.13 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A woman is shot to death on the sidewalk by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1973.12.20 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 Nation of Islam terrorists gun down an 81-year-old janitor.
1973.12.22 USA Oakland, CA 2 0 Nation of Islam terrorist kills two people in separate attacks on the same day.
1973.12.24 USA Oakland, CA 1 0 A man is kidnapped, tortured and decapitated by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1974.01.24 USA Oakland, CA 4 1 Five vicious shooting attacks by Nation of Islam terrorists leave three people dead and one paralyzed for life. Three of the victims were women.
1974.04.01 USA Oakland, CA 1 1 A Nation of Islam terrorist shoots at two Salvation Army members, killing a man and injuring a woman.
1974.04.16 USA Ingleside, CA 1 0 A man is killed while helping a friend move by Nation of Islam terrorists.
1977.03.09 USA Washington, DC 1 1 Hanifi Muslims storm three buildings including a B'nai B'rith to hold 134 people hostage. At least two innocents were shot and one died.
1980.07.22 USA Bethesda, MD 1 0 A political dissident is shot and killed in front of his home by an Iranian agent who was an American convert to Islam.
1980.08.31 USA Savou, IL 2 0 An Iranian student guns down his next-door neighbors, a husband and wife.
1989.11.06 USA St. Louis, MO 1 0 A 17-year-old girl is stabbed to death by her parents for bringing 'dishonor' to their family by dating an 'infidel' African-American.
1990.01.31 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A Sunni cleric is assassinated in front of a Tuscon mosque after declaring that two verses of the Qur'an were invalid.
1990.11.05 USA New York City, NY 1 0 An Israeli rabbi is shot to death by a Muslim attacker at a hotel.
1993.01.25 USA Langley, VA 2 3 A Pakistani with Mujahideen ties guns down two CIA agents outside of the headquarters.
1993.02.26 USA New York, NY 6 1040 Islamic terrorists detonate a massive truck bomb under the World Trade Center, killing six people and injuring over 1,000 in an effort to collapse the towers.
1994.03.01 USA Brooklyn, NY 1 0 A Muslim gunman targets a van packed with Jewish boys, killing a 16-year-old.
1997.03.23 USA New York, NY 1 6 A Palestinian leaves an anti-Jewish suicide note behind and travels to the top of the Empire State building where he shoot seven people in a Fedayeen attack.
1997.04.03 USA Lompoc, CA 1 0 A prison guard is stabbed to death by a radical Muslim.
2000.03.17 USA Atlanta, GA 1 1 A local imam and Muslim spiritual leader guns down a deputy sheriff and injures his partner.
2001.09.11 USA New York, NY 2752 251 Islamic hijackers steer two planes packed with fuel and passengers into the World Trade Center, killing hundreds on impact and eventually killing thousands when the towers collapsed. At least 200 are seriously injured.
2001.09.11 USA Washington, DC 184 53 Nearly 200 people are killed when Islamic hijackers steer a plane full of people into the Pentagon.
2001.09.11 USA Shanksville, PA 40 0 Forty passengers are killed after Islamic radicals hijack the plane in an attempt to steer it into the U.S. Capitol building.
2002.03.19 USA Tuscon, AZ 1 0 A 60-year-old man is gunned down by Muslim snipers on a golf course.
2002.05.27 USA Denton, TX 1 0 Muslim snipers kill a man as he works in his yard.
2002.07.04 USA Los Angeles, CA 2 0 Muslim man pulls out a gun at the counter of an Israeli airline and kills two people.
2002.09.21 USA Atlanta, GA 1 0 Muslim terrorists gun down an employee at a liquor store.
2002.09.21 USA Montgomery, AL 1 1 Muslim snipers shoot two women, killing one.
2002.09.23 USA Baton Rouge, LA 1 0 A Korean mother is shot in the back by Muslim snipers.
2002.10.02 USA Wheaton, MD 1 0 Muslim snipers gun down a program analyst in a store parking lot.
2002.10.03 USA Montgomery County, MD 5 0 Muslim snipers kill three men and two women in separate attacks over a 15-hour period.
2002.10.09 USA Manassas, VA 1 1 A man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas two days after a 13-year-old is wounded by the same team.
2002.10.11 USA Fredericksburg, VA 1 0 Another man is killed by Muslim snipers while pumping gas.
2002.10.14 USA Arlington, VA 1 0 A woman is killed by Muslim snipers in a Home Depot parking lot.
2002.10.22 USA Aspen Hill, MD 1 0 A bus driver is killed by Muslim snipers.
2003.08.06 USA Houston, TX 1 0 After undergoing a 'religious revival', a Saudi college student slashes the throat of a Jewish student with a 4" butterfly knife, nearly decapitating the young man.
2004.04.15 USA Scottsville, NY 1 2 In an honor killing, a Muslim father kills his wife and attacks his two daughters with a knife and hammer because he feared that they had been sexually molested.
2006.06.16 USA Baltimore, MD 1 0 A 62-year-old Jewish moviegoer is shot to death by a Muslim medical student in an unprovoked terror attack.
2006.06.25 USA Denver, CO 1 5 Saying that it was 'Allah's choice', a Muslim shoots four of his co-workers and a police officer.
2006.07.28 USA Seattle, WA 1 5 An 'angry' Muslim-American uses a young girl as hostage to enter a local Jewish center, where he shoots six women, one of whom dies.
2008.01.01 USA Irving, TX 2 0 A Muslim immigrant shoots his two daughters to death on concerns about their 'Western' lifestyle.
2008.07.06 USA Jonesboro, GA 1 0 A devout Muslim strangles his 25-year-old daughter in an honor killing.
2009.02.12 USA Buffalo, NY 1 0 The founder of a Muslim TV station beheads his wife in the hallway for seeking a divorce.
2009.04.12 USA Phoenix, AZ 2 0 A man shoots his brother-in-law and another man to death after finding out that they visited a strip club, in contradiction to Islamic values.
2009.06.01 USA Little Rock, AR 1 1 A Muslim shoots a local soldier to death inside a recruiting center explicitly in the name of Allah.
2009.11.02 USA Glendale, AZ 1 1 A woman dies from injuries suffered when her father runs her down with a car for being too 'Westernized.' (10-20-09)
2009.11.05 USA Ft. Hood, TX 13 31 A Muslim psychiatrist guns down thirteen unarmed soldiers while yelling praises to Allah.
2009.12.04 USA Binghamton, NY 1 0 A non-Muslim Islamic studies professor is stabbed to death by a Muslim grad student in revenge for 'persecuted' Muslims.
2010.04.14 USA Marquette Park, IL 5 2 After quarrelling with his wife over Islamic dress, a Muslim convert shoots his family members to 'take them back to Allah' and out of the 'world of sinners'.
2011.04.30 USA Warren, MI 1 0 A 20-year-old woman is shot in the head by her stepfather for not adhering to Islamic practices.
2011.09.11 USA Waltham, MA 3 0 Three Jewish men have their throats slashed by Muslim terrorists.
2012.01.15 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 30-year-old Christian convert is shot to death by a devout Muslim for helping to convert his daughter.
2012.11.12 USA Houston, TX 1 0 A 28-year-old American man is shot to death by a conservative Muslim over an alleged role in converting a woman to Christianity.
2013.02.07 USA Buena Vista, NJ 2 0 A Muslim targets and beheads two Christian Coptic immigrants.
2013.03.24 USA Ashtabula, OH 1 0 A Muslim convert walks into a church service with a Quran and guns down his Christian father while praising Allah.
2013.04.15 USA Boston, MA 3 264 Foreign-born Muslims describing themselves as 'very religious' detonate two bombs packed with ball bearings at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and causing several more to lose limbs.
2013.04.19 USA Boston, MA 1 1 Jihadists gun down a university police officer sitting in his car.
2013.08.04 USA Richmond, CA 1 0 A convert "on a mission from Allah" stabs a store clerk to death.
2014.03.06 USA Port Bolivar, TX 2 0 A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.
2014.04.27 USA Skyway, WA 1 0 A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.
2014.06.01 USA Seattle, WA 2 0 Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.
2014.06.25 USA West Orange, NJ 1 0 A 19-year-old college student is shot to death 'in revenge' for Muslim deaths overseas.
2014.09.25 USA Moore, OK 1 1 A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.
2014.12.18 USA Morganton, NC 1 0 A 74-year-old man is shot several times in the head by a 'radicalized' ISIS supporter.
2015.07.16 USA Chattanooga, TN 5 2 A 'devout Muslim' stages a suicide attack on a recruiting center at a strip mall and a naval center which leaves five dead.
2015.12.02 USA San Bernardino, CA 14 17 A 'very religious' Muslim shoots up a Christmas party with his wife, leaving fourteen dead.
2016.06.13 USA Orlando, FL 49 53 An Islamic extremist massacres forty-nine people at a gay nightclub.

Do they deserve greater consideration than the victims of, say gun violence? Or non-Islamic terrorism?
 

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