Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

[DiamondDave]

You currently have no openly acting gays who are allowed to serve.. the Navy does not allow open homosexuals to serve, so of course there are no separate facilities

but nice try

As I posted before isn't sex between the troops of any sex officially forbidden while on active duty?

Yep, and fratinization (sp) is punishable by UCMJ.

Yes... but you still have separate rooming and facilities for the men and women... don't you.. and that is not because there are no rules about the action, but the realities of the situation

 

[bodecea]

No..... it is not... do you, political correctness aside, see the logistical issues that come with billeting and hygiene issues between men and women and the problems that took a LOT to overcome in the military... now add in all the additional issues you add with homosexual men, lesbians, straight men, straight women, bi-sexual men, and bi-sexual women, when it comes to the billeting and morale?? It is indeed a logistical nightmare and nothing along the lines of race integration in the military

That argument might hold if there weren't already gays being billeted with heterosexuals.
I don't believe in being PC for the sake of PC. I believe in treating people with dignity and respect and without bigotry

It's sad, but you may have put your finger on the sticking point for some posters here.

 

[uscitizen]

You currently have no openly acting gays who are allowed to serve.. the Navy does not allow open homosexuals to serve, so of course there are no separate facilities

but nice try

As I posted before isn't sex between the troops of any sex officially forbidden while on active duty?

Yep, and fratinization (sp) is punishable by UCMJ.

so what would be the difference between openly gay and closet gay?

Except for the fear felt by the homophobes?

 

[DiamondDave]

No..... it is not... do you, political correctness aside, see the logistical issues that come with billeting and hygiene issues between men and women and the problems that took a LOT to overcome in the military... now add in all the additional issues you add with homosexual men, lesbians, straight men, straight women, bi-sexual men, and bi-sexual women, when it comes to the billeting and morale?? It is indeed a logistical nightmare and nothing along the lines of race integration in the military

That argument might hold if there weren't already gays being billeted with heterosexuals.
I don't believe in being PC for the sake of PC. I believe in treating people with dignity and respect and without bigotry

It's sad, but you may have put your finger on the sticking point for some posters here.

Mission.... not humanization....

What next? The obese because it is politically correct to do so? Those with mental disorders such as BPD or anxiety disorders? They can do aspects of the military jobs too....

This is not about respect or some bullshit political correctness... MISSION

 

[bodecea]

Do you suppose the problems that have arisen when they have been discovered in a living environment?? Do you suppose the problems of how you house a bi-sexual? Do you house them all separate as to not offend, not act sexually, etc, around other soldiers in that living environment? Do you not see the inherent logistical and morale problems simply because of your leftist touchy-feely political correctness goggles??

Do you suppose those gay service men and women served effectively?

The problems that occur when they are outed...are those exclusively problems started by the gay service men and women, or the heterosexual service men and women who merely took offense?

My point is: if service to one's country is an honorable pursuit, than shouldn't any one physically and mentally qualified to serve be given that chance?

The homophobic views of previous administrations have purged the services of valuable members (translators immediately come to mind) simply because those homophobes couldn't handle the situation. I wonder then what other critical situations they could not handle?

Again

It is not about whether they can fire a goddamn weapon, fix a piece crypto equipment, or cook for a platoon....

You could argue that someone living the homosexual lifestyle IS NOT mentally qualified... just as someone with a depression problem is not, even though we still treat that person with respect and they can hold most any other government job or private sector job.... it is not conducive to the military mission

It is not homophobic.. it is simple goddamn logistics

Wow...all those gay soldiers and sailors over the centuries, many of whom gave their lives, their health, their limbs...earned medals, saved others........are not mentally qualified?

Wow.

 

[bodecea]

That argument might hold if there weren't already gays being billeted with heterosexuals.
I don't believe in being PC for the sake of PC. I believe in treating people with dignity and respect and without bigotry

It's sad, but you may have put your finger on the sticking point for some posters here.

Mission.... not humanization....

What next? The obese because it is politically correct to do so? Those with mental disorders such as BPD or anxiety disorders? They can do aspects of the military jobs too....

This is not about respect or some bullshit political correctness... MISSION

Fair enough....give us examples of how soldiers/sailors being gay degraded MISSION. TIA

 

[bodecea]

As I posted before isn't sex between the troops of any sex officially forbidden while on active duty?

Yep, and fratinization (sp) is punishable by UCMJ.

so what would be the difference between openly gay and closet gay?

Except for the fear felt by the homophobes?

Nothing, really.

 

[DiamondDave]

Yep, and fratinization (sp) is punishable by UCMJ.

so what would be the difference between openly gay and closet gay?

Except for the fear felt by the homophobes?

Nothing, really.

Much like a psychopath that does not act in a criminal manner does not get locked up... it is the action... the impact of those actions.. the problems that arise from those actions... the impact on others around you

 

[rdean]

Clearance to information on a need to know basis is not the same as housing, billeting, upkeep, and all the logistics behind that, is not quite the same


But thanks for playing.. see Don Pardo for some lovely parting gifts

Gee, I hate to break it to ya "Sparky", but when I was on "training" exercises in Germany, in the seventies, with German and English soldiers, we shared bunkers. We changed clothes in front of each other. I'm pretty sure this one German Lt. was gay, but I found out that if you ignore certain suggestions, they stop making them. I was never "scared" or "terrified".
Conseratives are bullies and bullies are pussies underneath it all. True chickens. Bwak Bwak. Ooh, the bad scary gay. Ooh. Bwak bwak.

Again, moron... this is not about some supposed fear that you wingers like to bring up... it is indeed about unit cohesiveness, logistics, etc... I don't care if you changed clothes in front of a Brit, a Turk, a Panamanian, or a goddamn martian... logistics and reality are what they are... and what allowing openly gay and bi-sexual soldiers into the military is, is a logistical nightmare

Yea, except it's NOT a "logistical nightmare" for NATO.

What are you so scared of? You might get "looked at"? Ooh, the bad scary gays. Ooh.

It's NOT the gays who are the "sissies".

 

[rdean]

Ooh, insight.

I just had an epiphany.

These guys are afraid of the gays because they think if they are NEAR the gays, they might get "turned". Like a werewolf or something.

Maybe a "touch" or by breathing the same "air". Maybe a "scratch". Won't take much and then you are "turned".

 

[DiamondDave]

It's sad, but you may have put your finger on the sticking point for some posters here.

Mission.... not humanization....

What next? The obese because it is politically correct to do so? Those with mental disorders such as BPD or anxiety disorders? They can do aspects of the military jobs too....

This is not about respect or some bullshit political correctness... MISSION

Fair enough....give us examples of how soldiers/sailors being gay degraded MISSION. TIA

When you have to revamp living conditions.. deal with situations that you see when male soldiers enter female latrines (even if no rape occurred), etc... the list of things can go on, of what can happen to disrupt the mission, impede morale, and cause problems because you would now have to re-engineer everything from communal housing to change billeting procedure

And as stated.. since the military does NOT allow openly gay members, the action of that gay person then turns to the necessary and right action to remove that person from the mission

And again.. this is not whether they can run over a hill, fire a weapon, fix a Mux, shoot an azimuth, or whatever else... it is impedance to the military unit and military machine... and whether you wish to ignore it or not, is there

this is not about other government job or areas though... the military is not the same as the homosexual person serving as a government researcher, or a clerk, or whatever else.. the military is indeed a different animal with different considerations...

 

[DiamondDave]

Ooh, insight.

I just had an epiphany.

These guys are afraid of the gays because they think if they are NEAR the gays, they might get "turned". Like a werewolf or something.

Maybe a "touch" or by breathing the same "air". Maybe a "scratch". Won't take much and then you are "turned".

More idiotic blather

 

[rdean]

Mission.... not humanization....

What next? The obese because it is politically correct to do so? Those with mental disorders such as BPD or anxiety disorders? They can do aspects of the military jobs too....

This is not about respect or some bullshit political correctness... MISSION

Fair enough....give us examples of how soldiers/sailors being gay degraded MISSION. TIA

When you have to revamp living conditions.. deal with situations that you see when male soldiers enter female latrines (even if no rape occurred), etc... the list of things can go on, of what can happen to disrupt the mission, impede morale, and cause problems because you would now have to re-engineer everything from communal housing to change billeting procedure

And as stated.. since the military does NOT allow openly gay members, the action of that gay person then turns to the necessary and right action to remove that person from the mission

And again.. this is not whether they can run over a hill, fire a weapon, fix a Mux, shoot an azimuth, or whatever else... it is impedance to the military unit and military machine... and whether you wish to ignore it or not, is there

this is not about other government job or areas though... the military is not the same as the homosexual person serving as a government researcher, or a clerk, or whatever else.. the military is indeed a different animal with different considerations...

More idiotic blather.

 

[DiamondDave]

Gee, I hate to break it to ya "Sparky", but when I was on "training" exercises in Germany, in the seventies, with German and English soldiers, we shared bunkers. We changed clothes in front of each other. I'm pretty sure this one German Lt. was gay, but I found out that if you ignore certain suggestions, they stop making them. I was never "scared" or "terrified".
Conseratives are bullies and bullies are pussies underneath it all. True chickens. Bwak Bwak. Ooh, the bad scary gay. Ooh. Bwak bwak.

Again, moron... this is not about some supposed fear that you wingers like to bring up... it is indeed about unit cohesiveness, logistics, etc... I don't care if you changed clothes in front of a Brit, a Turk, a Panamanian, or a goddamn martian... logistics and reality are what they are... and what allowing openly gay and bi-sexual soldiers into the military is, is a logistical nightmare

Yea, except it's NOT a "logistical nightmare" for NATO.

What are you so scared of? You might get "looked at"? Ooh, the bad scary gays. Ooh.

It's NOT the gays who are the "sissies".

Then do you support allowing men to share rooms, bathroom facilities, etc with the women without any thought of morale?

You are probably the biggest motherfucking idiot we have here, and with Bobo, Chris, and KMAN lurking around, that is an accomplishment

 

[DiamondDave]

Fair enough....give us examples of how soldiers/sailors being gay degraded MISSION. TIA

When you have to revamp living conditions.. deal with situations that you see when male soldiers enter female latrines (even if no rape occurred), etc... the list of things can go on, of what can happen to disrupt the mission, impede morale, and cause problems because you would now have to re-engineer everything from communal housing to change billeting procedure

And as stated.. since the military does NOT allow openly gay members, the action of that gay person then turns to the necessary and right action to remove that person from the mission

And again.. this is not whether they can run over a hill, fire a weapon, fix a Mux, shoot an azimuth, or whatever else... it is impedance to the military unit and military machine... and whether you wish to ignore it or not, is there

this is not about other government job or areas though... the military is not the same as the homosexual person serving as a government researcher, or a clerk, or whatever else.. the military is indeed a different animal with different considerations...

More idiotic blather.

You are completely ignorant to logistics, to the military unit, to anything dealing with the matter... so go back and retrieve the bong you hid under mommy's couch in the basement and go whack off to kiddie porn like you normally do

 

[uscitizen]

so what would be the difference between openly gay and closet gay?

Except for the fear felt by the homophobes?

Nothing, really.

Much like a psychopath that does not act in a criminal manner does not get locked up... it is the action... the impact of those actions.. the problems that arise from those actions... the impact on others around you

Yep, that is the reason for the rule of non fraternization.

 

[DiamondDave]

Nothing, really.

Much like a psychopath that does not act in a criminal manner does not get locked up... it is the action... the impact of those actions.. the problems that arise from those actions... the impact on others around you

Yep, that is the reason for the rule of non fraternization.

And again... just because you have the rule does not mean that the military suddenly has room cohabitation, shared bathrooms, etc... the rule does not take away the logistical problem

 

[uscitizen]

Much like a psychopath that does not act in a criminal manner does not get locked up... it is the action... the impact of those actions.. the problems that arise from those actions... the impact on others around you

Yep, that is the reason for the rule of non fraternization.

And again... just because you have the rule does not mean that the military suddenly has room cohabitation, shared bathrooms, etc... the rule does not take away the logistical problem

No room cohabitation, shared bathrooms?

Daayum must be a different Army than I served in.

Remember barracks?

 

[DiamondDave]

Yep, that is the reason for the rule of non fraternization.

And again... just because you have the rule does not mean that the military suddenly has room cohabitation, shared bathrooms, etc... the rule does not take away the logistical problem

No room cohabitation, shared bathrooms?

Daayum must be a different Army than I served in.

Remember barracks?

Between men and women..... just as you would have to have differences between gay male, gay female, bi-sexual male, bi-sexual female, straight male, straight female, transgender male, transgender female, and the list goes on

Are you purposely trying to be that obtuse, or merely troll?

 

[uscitizen]

And again... just because you have the rule does not mean that the military suddenly has room cohabitation, shared bathrooms, etc... the rule does not take away the logistical problem

No room cohabitation, shared bathrooms?

Daayum must be a different Army than I served in.

Remember barracks?

Between men and women..... just as you would have to have differences between gay male, gay female, bi-sexual male, bi-sexual female, straight male, straight female, transgender male, transgender female, and the list goes on

Are you purposely trying to be that obtuse, or merely troll?

Me being obtuse??? I spewed mtn dew when I read that.

Good one.