Obama too often fails to lead.

I think you need to give a few examples of where he should have led in something , but failed , in your opinion , to do so .
Your perspective is not shared by many outside analysts who believe his boldness and vision are hallmarks of his overall presidential strength .
Could it be that you are looking at quite small matters in the context of overall US and International strategy and execution?

LEAD FROM BEHIND!!!
But underlying that style, assures this Obama adviser, there really are ideas. Indeed, “two unspoken beliefs,” explains Lizza. “That the relative power of the U.S. is declining, as rivals like China rise, and that the U.S. is reviled in many parts of the world.”

Amazing. This is why Obama is deliberately diminishing American presence, standing and leadership in the world?

Take proposition one: We must “lead from behind” because U.S. relative power is declining. Even if you accept the premise, it’s a complete non sequitur. What does China’s rising GDP have to do with American buck-passing on Libya, misjudging Iran, appeasing Syria?
The Obama doctrine: Leading from behind - Washington Post
 
Make a proposal. Change the goal posts when opposition compromises. O is a master at these tactics.

Oh that's bullshit and you know it.

The "Grand Bargain" almost completely capitulated to Republicans.

It was Boehner that walked away from it.

That's his goal. Do nothing, move the goalposts, refuse compromise, and blame the repubs. O is brilliant at this.
 
Make a proposal. Change the goal posts when opposition compromises. O is a master at these tactics.

Oh that's bullshit and you know it.

The "Grand Bargain" almost completely capitulated to Republicans.

It was Boehner that walked away from it.

That's his goal. Do nothing, move the goalposts, refuse compromise, and blame the repubs. O is brilliant at this.

WHAT GOALPOSTS WERE MOVED???

Seriously?

Boehner went back to his base and they were like NO REVENUE.

It was the REPUBLICANS that moved to goalposts..if anyone.
 
Make a proposal. Change the goal posts when opposition compromises. O is a master at these tactics.

Oh that's bullshit and you know it.

The "Grand Bargain" almost completely capitulated to Republicans.

It was Boehner that walked away from it.
Exactly! Boner walked away under preasure from Cantor who was miffed that Boner was meeting Obama in secret, alone. When Cantor found out about the secret meetings from Biden, he went after Boner and forced him to drop the "Grand Bargain." Boner can't even lead his own Party!!!!
 
Obama has never led. He spent his first two years whining about president Bush and his second two years whining about the unfairness of only controlling 2/3 of the federal government. Look it up, when the going got rough he left town. When it looked like he might have to take some tough questions by the media he ignored them.
 
When you think about all these manufactured crisis for the last 12 years, it's stunning. Starting with the imaginary war with Iraq. Then the creation of trillions upon trillions in debt from tax cuts not offset, unpaid for war, big pharma and deregulation. Then the right wing freakout from having a black president and the vow to undermine him in anyway possible.

Then, all the "invented" crisis Republicans keep creating. The debt ceiling crisis, the down grade crisis, the sequester crisis, the fiscal cliff crisis, a new debt ceiling crisis. It just doesn't stop.

Clearly the new plan is to "teach this country a lesson. Don't elect a black president or this is what Republicans will do to the country". The GOP can only cause so much damage and even their brainwashed base will turn on them. Many in the GOP base have become conflicted and some are "waking up".

Actually, the "rolling crises" are due in-fact to BO's lack of leadership. If he would have taken the "big-deal" based on Simpson-Bowles last year, and made the Senate actually pass a realistic budget that was workable, the economy would have improved, tax revenues would have increased, and the monthly crises would have been averted.

BO needs to bend the Debt curve downward, and he refuses. The GOP needs to give in on something like the new "transaction tax" to save Medicare, and the US is back in the black with a good credit rating.

You keep trying to play the race card, when the "competency card" is what we need.

When a party that is 90% or more white hates a black president with this much depth, it's not about leadership. Think about all the issues Republicans supported until Obama agreed and then they suddenly took a 180. Do I have to list them?
 
Obama has never led. He spent his first two years whining about president Bush and his second two years whining about the unfairness of only controlling 2/3 of the federal government. Look it up, when the going got rough he left town. When it looked like he might have to take some tough questions by the media he ignored them.

I've never seen Obama whine.

This is a whine:

 
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I think you need to give a few examples of where he should have led in something , but failed , in your opinion , to do so .
Your perspective is not shared by many outside analysts who believe his boldness and vision are hallmarks of his overall presidential strength .
Could it be that you are looking at quite small matters in the context of overall US and International strategy and execution?

BlackCherry, my political opinions are not sufficient reason to accuse anyone of seriously risking or actually harming our economy deliberately only for political partisanship. I would very much resent anyone questioning my patriotism and I will not with good reason question anyone else’s.

I agree WITH many that our inability to negotiate even some of the lesser differences between ourselves have certainly been to our nation’s serious detriment. But I also wish to believe those that do not compromise are acting on their sincere confidence in the rightness of their positions. They’ve determined if they were to compromise, it would be to our nation’s greater detriment.

The general Republican position is that the federal budget deficit is our nation’s primary short and long term economic problem. Democrats agree that the budget is a long term problem but our primary concerns should be our short and medium term economic recovery.

Republicans concern is our social expenditures increasing our federal budget. Democrats believe that reduction of our commitments to social programs are extremely detrimental to our economic recovery and those programs are of net benefit to our nation in all times.
Democrats generally take more populist positions on most economic issues. Republicans are generally proponents of positions adhering to supply side economic policies.

The Tea Party will mount primary challenges against any Republican willing to negotiate and compromise. If they lose a primary election, their own candidates will bleed off Republican votes within the general elections. The Tea Party has been very successful in burning the bridges behind the Republican office holders. They are unable to compromise. That’s why the Republican Party is able to strongly influence national policy both when they are the nation’s majority or minority party.

I regret that those strongly opposed to the tea Party’s positions do not profit from their example. They cast their votes for Democratic candidates regardless of their not sharing mutual or similar commitment to the same political positions. That’s why Democrats are too often unable to influence national policy even when they’re the nation’s majority party.

Senator McConnell made it clear that his primary goal was to make Obama a one term president. He is among those leaders that choose not to compromise. Obama soon explained that this was not simply rhetoric; there would be no possible compromise. For more than six years the Republican office holders could not negotiate (if they wanted to do so). The Democratic Party has been negotiating with itself; (and thus negotiating against itself). It’s a form of political masturbation.

In my opinion, the Democrats most effective strategy is what Obama had until now has only done when elections were eminent; Obama is fully using the White House’s “bully pulpit”. The Democratic Party missed grand opportunities to keep the federal budget and taxes on the U.S. Senate floor.

Also there's only one day in two years when the majority U.S. Senate Party has an opportunity to require filibusters to hold the senate floor within the entire duration of the filibuster. If senators filibuster, they should be required to publicly and continuously explain why they are preventing the senate from voting upon an act or an appointment.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
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Oh that's bullshit and you know it.

The "Grand Bargain" almost completely capitulated to Republicans.

It was Boehner that walked away from it.

That's his goal. Do nothing, move the goalposts, refuse compromise, and blame the repubs. O is brilliant at this.

WHAT GOALPOSTS WERE MOVED???

This goalpost: Obama promised to cut spending in the future if the GOP agreed to tax increases on the Fiscal Cliff issue. The GOP agreed.

Now fast foward to the present. Obama refuses to significantly cut spending and asked the GOP to agree to more taxes.
 
When you think about all these manufactured crisis for the last 12 years, it's stunning. Starting with the imaginary war with Iraq. Then the creation of trillions upon trillions in debt from tax cuts not offset, unpaid for war, big pharma and deregulation. Then the right wing freakout from having a black president and the vow to undermine him in anyway possible.

Then, all the "invented" crisis Republicans keep creating. The debt ceiling crisis, the down grade crisis, the sequester crisis, the fiscal cliff crisis, a new debt ceiling crisis. It just doesn't stop.

Clearly the new plan is to "teach this country a lesson. Don't elect a black president or this is what Republicans will do to the country". The GOP can only cause so much damage and even their brainwashed base will turn on them. Many in the GOP base have become conflicted and some are "waking up".

Actually, the "rolling crises" are due in-fact to BO's lack of leadership. If he would have taken the "big-deal" based on Simpson-Bowles last year, and made the Senate actually pass a realistic budget that was workable, the economy would have improved, tax revenues would have increased, and the monthly crises would have been averted.

BO needs to bend the Debt curve downward, and he refuses. The GOP needs to give in on something like the new "transaction tax" to save Medicare, and the US is back in the black with a good credit rating.

You keep trying to play the race card, when the "competency card" is what we need.

When a party that is 90% or more white hates a black president with this much depth, it's not about leadership. Think about all the issues Republicans supported until Obama agreed and then they suddenly took a 180. Do I have to list them?

Quit hiding behind race, racist. The country is in a tail spin and it is Obama's fault. You using him being black as an excuse, as if he can't do better, is nothing more then the modern version of Democrat racism. Let him stand on the merits of what he has done. Let him stand on his character. Your black friend in the WH doesn't need you pointing out that he is black thus he must be incompetent.
 
Actually, the "rolling crises" are due in-fact to BO's lack of leadership. If he would have taken the "big-deal" based on Simpson-Bowles last year, and made the Senate actually pass a realistic budget that was workable, the economy would have improved, tax revenues would have increased, and the monthly crises would have been averted.

BO needs to bend the Debt curve downward, and he refuses. The GOP needs to give in on something like the new "transaction tax" to save Medicare, and the US is back in the black with a good credit rating.

You keep trying to play the race card, when the "competency card" is what we need.

When a party that is 90% or more white hates a black president with this much depth, it's not about leadership. Think about all the issues Republicans supported until Obama agreed and then they suddenly took a 180. Do I have to list them?

Quit hiding behind race, racist. The country is in a tail spin and it is Obama's fault. You using him being black as an excuse, as if he can't do better, is nothing more then the modern version of Democrat racism. Let him stand on the merits of what he has done. Let him stand on his character. Your black friend in the WH doesn't need you pointing out that he is black thus he must be incompetent.

Our despising Obama has NOTHING to do with race. Sure, there's a few real racists who do hate him for his race, but then some 98% of blacks voted for Obama, many because of his race, and many against Mitt because of his race. Racism isn't Dem or Repub, and in fact I'd argue that many more racists reside within the Dem party, the party of the Confederacy.

Personally, I wanted Herman Cain as POTUS. What a great example to inner city blacks he would have been! Self-made millionaire who never played the victomhood game, came from humble beginnings, with two parents who worked their asses off, not relying on Welfare.

Of course, any blacks who take responsibility for their lives and work hard are demonized by the Dem party, and treated as runaway slaves from the Democrat plantation.

And of course, Obama is one of the biggest racists in the nation! Constantly playing one race against the other, and one economic class against the other. Textbook Marxist tactics, which have America stuck in conflict, Congress deadlocked, and businesses on hold, not wanting to hire or invest under the huge PALL Obama has placed over the nation with the ACA, constant attacks on success, and his inability to lead.

Such a shame that BOs campaign team herded so many unproductive, dependent sloths into polling places to defeat Mitt. America was at a great crossroads last November, and REALLY took the wrong turn.

Instead of a fast turnaround and recovery, we're now stuck with 4 more years of malaise and incompetency in the White House.
 
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