Obamacare and the price of gorceries

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Apparently our benevolent, all knowing, father is not satisfied with driving up the cost of health care, so he has passed down the word that we need to drive up the price of the salad bar in the grocery store.

If the Food and Drug Administration gets its way, your trip to the grocery store could get a tad pricier.
Supermarket owners argue a pending federal food-labeling rule that stems from the new health care law would overburden thousands of grocers and convenience store owners -- to the tune of $1 billion in the first year alone.
Store owner Tom Heinen said the industry's profit margins already are razor thin. "When you incur a significant cost, there is no way that that doesn't get passed on to the customer in some form," he said.
The rule stems from an ObamaCare mandate that restaurants provide nutrition information on menus. Most in the restaurant industry were supportive of the idea, but when the FDA decided to extend the provision to also affect thousands of supermarkets and convenience stores, the backlash was swift.
The proposed regulation would require store owners to label prepared, unpackaged foods found in salad bars and food bars, soups and bakery items. Erik Lieberman, regulatory counsel at the Food Marketing Institute, said testing foods for nutritional data will require either expensive software or even more costly off-site laboratory assessments.
 
apparently our benevolent, all knowing, father is not satisfied with driving up the cost of health care, so he has passed down the word that we need to drive up the price of the salad bar in the grocery store.

if the food and drug administration gets its way, your trip to the grocery store could get a tad pricier.
Supermarket owners argue a pending federal food-labeling rule that stems from the new health care law would overburden thousands of grocers and convenience store owners -- to the tune of $1 billion in the first year alone.
Store owner tom heinen said the industry's profit margins already are razor thin. "when you incur a significant cost, there is no way that that doesn't get passed on to the customer in some form," he said.
The rule stems from an obamacare mandate that restaurants provide nutrition information on menus. Most in the restaurant industry were supportive of the idea, but when the fda decided to extend the provision to also affect thousands of supermarkets and convenience stores, the backlash was swift.
The proposed regulation would require store owners to label prepared, unpackaged foods found in salad bars and food bars, soups and bakery items. Erik lieberman, regulatory counsel at the food marketing institute, said testing foods for nutritional data will require either expensive software or even more costly off-site laboratory assessments.


germans
 
Remain calm- they've thought of ways to make it easy- that you don't hear from your BS propaganda... Pub dupes! The sky is not falling. Ay caramba. Fegging fools...
 
It is funny that republicans are blaming the current administration for putting labels on grocery story items. This is something that has been going on for 30 years or so, through both republican and democratic administrations. The goal has been to educate people about the food they are eating. Education is a good thing.

Salad bars are not healthful. They are generally high fat. People think they are eating a healthful meal because it is 'salad,' but much of the food in a salad bar is high fat and high starch. A salad bar salad can be as high fat and unhealthful as a Big Mac with a large fries and milkshake. Good health care goes hand in hand with good medical care. If people bring on disease and illness through personal habits, they bring up the cost of health care. When that health care is everyone's responsibility through taxation, then everyone has the right to try to encourage people to live a healthier lifestyle.

One reason insurance companies failed in providing low cost health insurance is because so many people needed the insurance to pay for illness and disease brought on by poor lifestyle choices. The majority of right wing conservatives do not have higher education and high incomes. Those are the type of people who make poor health care choices. Then everyone pays for it. There is another thread here about Atlas Shrugged and 'personal responsibility.' But the majority of right wing conservatives do not take personal responsibility for their health and expect insurance companies or the government to foot the bill for the ensuing health care costs. Republicans like to think they are the ones paying for things like abortion or birth control or health care of minorities on welfare. The truth is that most of the money going to health care is because of people's poor lifestyle choices bringing on disease and illness, that the cost of abortions is miniscule compared to that, and that the majority of people on welfare are white and as often as not conservative republicans, so the majority of your taxes going to support welfare is going to whites, as many conservative republican whites as whites who may be democrats, if these people even bother to vote, which most don't. Uneducated, poor people are the least likely to vote.
 
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It is all for our own good.

When obama decides that insomnia is a matter of public health we can start worrying about pillow regulation.
 
Salad bars are not healthful. They are generally high fat. People think they are eating a healthful meal because it is 'salad,' but much of the food in a salad bar is high fat and high starch. Good health care goes hand in hand with good medical care. If people bring on disease and illness through personal habits, they bring up the cost of health care. When that health care is everyone's responsibility through taxation, then everyone has the right to try to encourage people to live a healthier lifestyle.

One reason insurance companies failed in providing low cost health insurance is because so many people needed the insurance to pay for illness and disease brought on by poor lifestyle choices. The majority of right wing conservatives do not have higher education and high incomes. Those are the type of people who make poor health care choices. Then everyone pays for it. There is another thread here about Atlas Shrugged and 'personal responsibility.' But the majority of right wing conservatives do not take personal responsibility for their health and expect insurance companies or the government to foot the bill for the ensuing health care costs. Republicans like to think they are the ones paying for things like abortion or birth control or health care of minorities on welfare. The truth is that most of the money going to health care is because of people's poor lifestyle choices bringing on disease and illness, that the cost of abortions is miniscule compared to that, and that the majority of people on welfare are white and as often as not conservative republicans.

100% correct.

Our diets affect our health in myriad ways. The deep-fried sugar and white flour diets we suck down in abundance every day is killing us, yet expensive technology exists to counter the terrible food we eat and the diseases they cause and allow us to live longer. People gotta pay for their poor lifestyles. Unfortunately, healthy people are paying for the people with poor lifestyles too. And the Republicans are the first to bitch if any attempt is made to curb the crap diets kids are eating these days.
 
It is a strange world we live in where people attack the idea of transparent food labeling.

Really, QW, maybe it is time to accept that Obama was re-elected. You get to vote again in a couple of years, and you can vote against the food labels if that is the key issue for you.
 
It is all for our own good.

When obama decides that insomnia is a matter of public health we can start worrying about pillow regulation.

We all should eat just like Michelle does. Lobster, Caviar and chanpagne. Of course fairness and redistribution are for the little people. Just because they are raising prices for electricity, fuel and food. Well that's okay, they're millionaires it doesn't bother them. They're above the fray but let's have that class warfare its good because we can develop hate for others that we percieve that have more than we do.
 
We all should eat just like Michelle does. Lobster, Caviar and chanpagne. Of course fairness and redistribution are for the little people. Just because they are raising prices for electricity, fuel and food. Well that's okay, they're millionaires it doesn't bother them. They're above the fray but let's have that class warfare its good because we can develop hate for others that we percieve that have more than we do.

I'm really amazed by the bitterness and hatred we see on this boad sometimes.

Really, doc, maybe it's time you just went to live in a country you could respect.
 
We all should eat just like Michelle does. Lobster, Caviar and chanpagne. Of course fairness and redistribution are for the little people. Just because they are raising prices for electricity, fuel and food. Well that's okay, they're millionaires it doesn't bother them. They're above the fray but let's have that class warfare its good because we can develop hate for others that we percieve that have more than we do.

I'm really amazed by the bitterness and hatred we see on this boad sometimes.

Really, doc, maybe it's time you just went to live in a country you could respect.

This is the second thread (two very different topics) where you are telling Americans in essence "to love it or leave". Telling Americans with a different opinion than the one you hold to leave THEIR country and move someplace else. You are a funny little Finn but you really should fuck off with that kind of bullshit. By the way, is it true that Finland fought WITH the Nazis during WWII? Fucking loser.
 
Salad bars are not healthful. They are generally high fat. People think they are eating a healthful meal because it is 'salad,' but much of the food in a salad bar is high fat and high starch. Good health care goes hand in hand with good medical care. If people bring on disease and illness through personal habits, they bring up the cost of health care. When that health care is everyone's responsibility through taxation, then everyone has the right to try to encourage people to live a healthier lifestyle.

One reason insurance companies failed in providing low cost health insurance is because so many people needed the insurance to pay for illness and disease brought on by poor lifestyle choices. The majority of right wing conservatives do not have higher education and high incomes. Those are the type of people who make poor health care choices. Then everyone pays for it. There is another thread here about Atlas Shrugged and 'personal responsibility.' But the majority of right wing conservatives do not take personal responsibility for their health and expect insurance companies or the government to foot the bill for the ensuing health care costs. Republicans like to think they are the ones paying for things like abortion or birth control or health care of minorities on welfare. The truth is that most of the money going to health care is because of people's poor lifestyle choices bringing on disease and illness, that the cost of abortions is miniscule compared to that, and that the majority of people on welfare are white and as often as not conservative republicans.

100% correct.

Our diets affect our health in myriad ways. The deep-fried sugar and white flour diets we suck down in abundance every day is killing us, yet expensive technology exists to counter the terrible food we eat and the diseases they cause and allow us to live longer. People gotta pay for their poor lifestyles. Unfortunately, healthy people are paying for the people with poor lifestyles too. And the Republicans are the first to bitch if any attempt is made to curb the crap diets kids are eating these days.

when did that become the governments Job? or any of you people business WHAT OTHERS EAT?
 
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when did that become the governments Job? or any of you people business WHAT OTHERS EAT?

It is the government's job to ensure people can make informed choices about what they buy and eat.

Transparent food packaging means that you will know what you buy when you buy it.
 
when did that become the governments Job? or any of you people business WHAT OTHERS EAT?

It is the government's job to ensure people can make informed choices about what they buy and eat.

Transparent food packaging means that you will know what you buy when you buy it.

Maybe in your country it is because you are all too stupid to know and make you own choices
 
Maybe in your country it is because you are all too stupid to know and make you own choices

Possibly - but then my country enjoys considerably higher levels of education and literacy than yours does.

Let me explain how this works - you want to buy a pack of pasta sauce, but your daughter is allergic to pine nuts.

With this kind of law, pine nuts will be listed clearly on the label. If it is only trace elements, the label will tell you that too.

I'm not sure why this would be a majot problem for you.
 
Maybe in your country it is because you are all too stupid to know and make you own choices

Possibly - but then my country enjoys considerably higher levels of education and literacy than yours does.

Let me explain how this works - you want to buy a pack of pasta sauce, but your daughter is allergic to pine nuts.

With this kind of law, pine nuts will be listed clearly on the label. If it is only trace elements, the label will tell you that too.

I'm not sure why this would be a majot problem for you.

we already have labels on food. but of course you don't live here so what would you know..And if a person is buying from a deli I suppose they could JUST Ask for that information
 
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Stephanie -

The labels spare you having to ask, and as you may know, asking in a supermarket rarely works because te staff have no idea what is in the pasta sauce.

The law ensures all labels follow the same format and rules, so that it is easy to read and understand the labels.

I still don't see why this is a problem.
 
A question for Saigon.

What percentage from you income in taxes do you pay for your nanny Government?
 
Stephanie -

The labels spare you having to ask, and as you may know, asking in a supermarket rarely works because te staff have no idea what is in the pasta sauce.

The law ensures all labels follow the same format and rules, so that it is easy to read and understand the labels.

I still don't see why this is a problem.

Saigon, it raises the prices of food as this will be passed onto the customer.

what don't you get about that
 

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