Offical Impeachment Thread

[22lcidw]

Sondland's opening statement is explosive. "Everybody knew". Pence, Pompeo, everybody.

Volker and Morrison will be rushing to revise their statements to avoid perjury charges.

The demand for lawyers by Trump associates will go through the roof.

All of this for nothing. The hate for Trump so much you gotta search until you find something. This will and is filtering down to the common man and woman. It won't be long before just saying a word will destroy anyone. No tolerance, no forgiveness....just guilt. I am not talking about messing with another individual.

Blubbering already?

Not nearly as much as you seem to. Imagine if Trump was the exact opposite as a Prog? Pretty much a left leaning Repub except for the judges in many of his agendas.

 

[Crepitus]

I wonder what personally embarrassing secret the Deep State dug up on sondland?

It must be pretty yucky

Perjury.

 

[easyt65]

Sondland's opening statement is explosive. "Everybody knew". Pence, Pompeo, everybody.

1. So Sondland claims to have the ability to know what people knew / were thinking? 'Everybody Knew' is subjective, an OPINION, which is the only thing Schiff's non-witnesses have been able to present under oath.

2. Volker and Morrison already destroyed his testimony yesterday by declaring 'No Briber', 'No Extortion', No Quid Pro Quo'

 

[Mac-7]

I wonder what personally embarrassing secret the Deep State dug up on sondland?

It must be pretty yucky

Perjury.

No

If they flipped sondland into committing perjury its because of some other dark secret about him personally

 

[HappyJoy]

Yet another witness rightfully shits on Nunes and Trump's favorite fake Ukranian source Lutsenko.

 

[OldLady]

I wonder if Trump is going to let Sondland throw Rudy under the bus like this?
This is a serious smush Rudy effort. He's road pizza.

 

[Crepitus]

I wonder what personally embarrassing secret the Deep State dug up on sondland?

It must be pretty yucky

Perjury.

No

If they flipped sondland into committing perjury its because of some other dark secret about him personally

Lol, he's already had to "amend" his testimony to avoid it once.

 

[OldLady]

Sondland says the bad guy was Giuliani. HE'S THE EVIL ONE.

Yes and he said that he (Giuliani) was acting on behalf of the president.

He and Volker are both painting the picture of Donald Trump being sadly misinformed.

 

[The Original Tree]

I actually hope this makes it to The Senate because it's going to be a blood bath for the DemNazis and their COUP!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Of course not. But if we can both agree that Biden didn't stand a chance, then we can also agree that Trump holding up foreign military aid was not for personal gain, because Trump even knew (like most Americans) that Biden would likely not be his contender for the White House. And BTW, Trump's approval rating is back up to 50%.

Even Fox isn't giving him a 50% rating. Sites like Breitbart does but that's a conspiracy site who will say just abut anything. He's still running between 42 and 46 depending on what flavor the ice cream. I made a prediction almost 2 eyars ago that Biden would not be and candidate. It looks like I was right. It would be some dark horse. Mayor Pete may very well fulfill that prediction. Even Warren is starting to sound more like Mayor Pete lately and less like Bernie. Mayor Pete fills all the boxes for being a President. The only thing that may stand in his way is that he's gay. And after Rump, that's only a huge problem with the Rump Followers who wouldn't for for Jesus Christ if he ran against Rump. If Bernie gives his support to Mayor Pete that means Mayor Pete will have almost total support of Women who really don't have a problem in that area. Warren is NOT the choice of Women. It's a tossup between Bernie and Mayor Pete. Rump has a minority support of Women. It all dpends on if Women will get out and vote.

GEtting this back into perspective of the impeachment, I am watching a retransmission of it right now. Most of the discussion by both sides is BS. Here is my take.

IF Trump brought up the Ukrarians were asked to do an investigation of Biden by the Ukranians then the Professional Diplomats all find that that was wrong. Even mentioning that in a conversation would be uncomfortable. None of them said they would have been party to a Biden investigation in any way shape or form.

And we all know it did happen. You can spin it any way you want to but Rump should NEVER have even brought it up even as a favor. He's done it before with Israel. No matter what I think of the 4 outspoken Congress Women, he should have never asked for a favor from the Israeli Leader like that. It's not Ukraines or Israels business. We need to police out own. If there is a crime, that's why we have the DOJ and our Court System. The President of the United States has just too much Power over these countries to be asking for any kind of personal favor other than, maybe, what the best recipe for their favorite food.

We can agree or disagree whether what Trump asked for was right or wrong, but one thing that it's not, is grounds for impeachment.

Since Trump has the right to ask anybody for anything, the commies are trying to attach the word "bribery" to it, as if Biden didn't do that when he was VP. But bribery involves personally getting something back, which Trump didn't do for himself or the country.

Polls are funny, because they always seem to favor the Democrats......that is up until a week before the election, then they start telling the truth so they can maintain credibility. In the meantime,they are designed to try and convince people how the political atmosphere is, instead of just telling us what it is.

So much like last time, you can hang your hat on the polls. As for myself, I'm convinced people are much happier today with Trump than they were before him.

The proper channel was for Rump to turn it over to the DOJ and have them open the investigation. Again, a President has tremendous power over countries through foreign aid. To even ask for a favor to have them "Look into a Political Rival" usually means, do it or else. You can word it any way you wish but that's how it's going to come across. In Mob Boss lingo that Rump speaks, that means Do it or Else. He demonstrates that even with people that cross him in the United States. So it or else.

Which is where the stupidity enters the debate. Words mean things, and not what Democrats decide they mean at the time. Now I know you've seen my multiple post of the definition of the word "favor" with the dictionary link of course.

Rational people define the word as it is in the dictionary. Leftists define the word in the way they see fit. You replied with a perfect example of that. Instead of the dictionary definition of favor, which is doing something out of good will, with no remuneration, the Democrats ignore all that, and claim what you just did: better do it or else; your military aid depends on it, and nothing of the sorts was ever said or hinted. How many times have the Democrats in the hearings used the word "demand?" There was never any demand.

Trump never asked for an investigation by Ukraine, he asked for a favor, which I defined above. A demand (also in the dictionary) is an ultimatum, and Trump never did that either. So what this impeachment is all about is the way Democrats are re-defining words. And again, remember, if Democrats can create new definition of words, so can Republicans.

I don't know, if a "consensus" of Democrats on the fly change the dictionary, I think it can retroactively convert acceptable conduct into an impeachable crime.

Democrats are constantly changing definitions and words. It's how they lie and get the sheep to believe them.

Trump said there are good people on both sides. Liberals: Trump said white supremacists are good people.

Trump proclaims himself as a Nationalist. Liberals: That's code word for white Nationalist.

Trump said Mexico is sending us murderers and rapists: Liberals: Trump said all Mexicans are murderers and rapists.

Trump said do me a favor. Liberals: Trump threatened US aid if Zelensky didn't meet his demands.

 

[easyt65]

Sondland is changing his testimony and is now saying that everything he did, he did at Trump's request. This is the problem with REAL conspiracies. Sondland has seen that all of Trump's top people are either in jail or awaiting sentencing and he's not going to lay down for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...ad0e44-f057-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html

Yesterday we saw the Republican witnesses saying "Biden would never do anything corrupt for money", and the NSA guy, who saw "nothing wrong" with the July 25th phone call, nevertheless went to the lawyers about the call within an hour of its completion. But only because he feared "leaks".

In fact, although he thought the President did nothing wrong, Morrison went to the lawyers, at Bolton's direction, on three separate occasions.

When are you going to stop lying and running and finally provide the link to the law that affords REAL 'WHISTLE BLOWERS' with 'ANONYMITY' and 'IMMUNITY', as Lying Schiff claims?

 

[bendog]

Sondland is changing his testimony and is now saying that everything he did, he did at Trump's request. This is the problem with REAL conspiracies. Sondland has seen that all of Trump's top people are either in jail or awaiting sentencing and he's not going to lay down for Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immi...ad0e44-f057-11e9-89eb-ec56cd414732_story.html

Yesterday we saw the Republican witnesses saying "Biden would never do anything corrupt for money", and the NSA guy, who saw "nothing wrong" with the July 25th phone call, nevertheless went to the lawyers about the call within an hour of its completion. But only because he feared "leaks".

In fact, although he thought the President did nothing wrong, Morrison went to the lawyers, at Bolton's direction, on three separate occasions.

I'm shocked he didn't take the 5th.

I don't think he can because he's not charged with anything or really involved in a crime. I guess he could be charged as an accessory to bribery or campaign finance, but Trump's not going to be charged. Sondland's legal peril has always been lying to congress or perjury. But he's never been a Trump Russian financing stooge or involved in Trump and Miller's weird racial purity obsessions that somehow see Jews as more preferable to browns. In fact, Sondland's personal story and business history is pretty admirable, and politics is more or less his hobby since he doesn't need more money. People have been telling him to come clean and save his fortune and family. I'm glad he seems to be doi

 

[ColonelAngus]

Guiliani is getting beat up by this guy.

I thought this was all about 1 phone call. How can it take 50 hours of testimony?

Sondland says there is a quid pro quo from Giuliani. Ouch.

 

[Mac-7]

I wonder what personally embarrassing secret the Deep State dug up on sondland?

It must be pretty yucky

Perjury.

No

If they flipped sondland into committing perjury its because of some other dark secret about him personally

Lol, he's already had to "amend" his testimony to avoid it once.

He changed his opinion nothing more

 

[HappyJoy]

Sondland says the bad guy was Giuliani. HE'S THE EVIL ONE.

Yes and he said that he (Giuliani) was acting on behalf of the president.

He and Volker are both painting the picture of Donald Trump being sadly misinformed.

He probably was. Just the same the president went along with the QPQ....or bribery....extortion, whatever you want to call it.

 

[HappyJoy]

Guiliani is getting beat up by this guy.

I thought this was all about 1 phone call. How can it take 50 hours of testimony?

Sondland says there is a quid pro quo from Giuliani. Ouch.

Why would you think it's only about a single phone call?

 

[IM2]

Brother Sondland dropped a nuclear bomb on Trump.

 

[g5000]

Sondland is reading an email between himself and several senior Administration officials written on July 19 in which the extortion scheme was outlined and that Zelensky had agreed to the terms.

 

[JGalt]

Zzzzzzzzzz......

 

[ColonelAngus]

Even Fox isn't giving him a 50% rating. Sites like Breitbart does but that's a conspiracy site who will say just abut anything. He's still running between 42 and 46 depending on what flavor the ice cream. I made a prediction almost 2 eyars ago that Biden would not be and candidate. It looks like I was right. It would be some dark horse. Mayor Pete may very well fulfill that prediction. Even Warren is starting to sound more like Mayor Pete lately and less like Bernie. Mayor Pete fills all the boxes for being a President. The only thing that may stand in his way is that he's gay. And after Rump, that's only a huge problem with the Rump Followers who wouldn't for for Jesus Christ if he ran against Rump. If Bernie gives his support to Mayor Pete that means Mayor Pete will have almost total support of Women who really don't have a problem in that area. Warren is NOT the choice of Women. It's a tossup between Bernie and Mayor Pete. Rump has a minority support of Women. It all dpends on if Women will get out and vote.

GEtting this back into perspective of the impeachment, I am watching a retransmission of it right now. Most of the discussion by both sides is BS. Here is my take.

IF Trump brought up the Ukrarians were asked to do an investigation of Biden by the Ukranians then the Professional Diplomats all find that that was wrong. Even mentioning that in a conversation would be uncomfortable. None of them said they would have been party to a Biden investigation in any way shape or form.

And we all know it did happen. You can spin it any way you want to but Rump should NEVER have even brought it up even as a favor. He's done it before with Israel. No matter what I think of the 4 outspoken Congress Women, he should have never asked for a favor from the Israeli Leader like that. It's not Ukraines or Israels business. We need to police out own. If there is a crime, that's why we have the DOJ and our Court System. The President of the United States has just too much Power over these countries to be asking for any kind of personal favor other than, maybe, what the best recipe for their favorite food.

We can agree or disagree whether what Trump asked for was right or wrong, but one thing that it's not, is grounds for impeachment.

Since Trump has the right to ask anybody for anything, the commies are trying to attach the word "bribery" to it, as if Biden didn't do that when he was VP. But bribery involves personally getting something back, which Trump didn't do for himself or the country.

Polls are funny, because they always seem to favor the Democrats......that is up until a week before the election, then they start telling the truth so they can maintain credibility. In the meantime,they are designed to try and convince people how the political atmosphere is, instead of just telling us what it is.

So much like last time, you can hang your hat on the polls. As for myself, I'm convinced people are much happier today with Trump than they were before him.

The proper channel was for Rump to turn it over to the DOJ and have them open the investigation. Again, a President has tremendous power over countries through foreign aid. To even ask for a favor to have them "Look into a Political Rival" usually means, do it or else. You can word it any way you wish but that's how it's going to come across. In Mob Boss lingo that Rump speaks, that means Do it or Else. He demonstrates that even with people that cross him in the United States. So it or else.

Which is where the stupidity enters the debate. Words mean things, and not what Democrats decide they mean at the time. Now I know you've seen my multiple post of the definition of the word "favor" with the dictionary link of course.

Rational people define the word as it is in the dictionary. Leftists define the word in the way they see fit. You replied with a perfect example of that. Instead of the dictionary definition of favor, which is doing something out of good will, with no remuneration, the Democrats ignore all that, and claim what you just did: better do it or else; your military aid depends on it, and nothing of the sorts was ever said or hinted. How many times have the Democrats in the hearings used the word "demand?" There was never any demand.

Trump never asked for an investigation by Ukraine, he asked for a favor, which I defined above. A demand (also in the dictionary) is an ultimatum, and Trump never did that either. So what this impeachment is all about is the way Democrats are re-defining words. And again, remember, if Democrats can create new definition of words, so can Republicans.

I don't know, if a "consensus" of Democrats on the fly change the dictionary, I think it can retroactively convert acceptable conduct into an impeachable crime.

Democrats are constantly changing definitions and words. It's how they lie and get the sheep to believe them.

Trump said there are good people on both sides. Liberals: Trump said white supremacists are good people.

Trump proclaims himself as a Nationalist. Liberals: That's code word for white Nationalist.

Trump said Mexico is sending us murderers and rapists: Liberals: Trump said all Mexicans are murderers and rapists.

Trump said do me a favor. Liberals: Trump threatened US aid if Zelensky didn't meet his demands.

The media TOLD the Democrats to start calling it bribery because people don’t understand what quid pro quo means.

Then Pelosi and Schiff changed it to bribery.

Pelosi is such a hack.

Schiff is a straight up fucking criminal. He lied on the Congressional record about the phone call and he also said he saw concrete evidence of Russia collusion with Trump about the election.....funny, Mueller didn’t find it and Schiff never said what his “evidence” was...because there was none, because he was fucking lying.