Offical Impeachment Thread

[NotYourBody]

Well......the communist and Democrat party. That's why the Democrats became the anti-white party.

It's one thing for people in parties to try and change leadership. That's understandable. But this idiocy would make our founders turn over in their graves. They want to impeach a President over what "they think" he had in mind when he took certain actions, and brought witnesses who also "thought" what Trump had in mind.

The entire impeachment is about suppositions, interpretations, and assumptions, but no real facts. Nixon was a fact; hard core evidence. Clinton was a fact; DNA evidence and court testimony. There are no facts here, and certainly no impeachable offenses.

I think your GOP filter is obscuring the truth. What "he (Trump) had in mind" is critical to whether he was violating both the constitution and campaign election laws when he pressured the Ukraine to open an investigation of the Bidens or just sought to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine. If his intent was to discredit Joe Biden, he is violating the law and the constitution but if his intent is simply to cleanup corruption in the Ukraine, then the Senate should dismiss the applicable charges.

As explained in the Federalist Papers (I think the number is 65), high crimes and misdemeanors is essentially bad conduct, not necessarily a violation of the law. If you look back at previous impeachments you will see articles charging violation of oath of office, improper use of executive powers, behavior unbecoming the office, immoral behavior, drunkenness, etc.

It has become customary that in impeachments today, there be at least one charge of violation of the law but that has not always been the case. You see, our forefathers believed that public officials must be held to much higher standards than the public. Just being a law abiding citizens was not enough. They expected public officials to be of high character. For example in Articles of Impeachment of Andrew Johnson it was claimed that he spoke with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues before congress.

Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they saw who we were electing today.

It's why the GOP could impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job.

Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid to a country that desperately needed it in order to get dirt on his political opponent.

That is worse than lying about a blow job.

A temporary hold on US tax dollars is not against the law. Presidents (including Hussein) have been doing it for years. However perjury has always been against the law.

Bribery is impeachable. None of your hollering changes that.

Trump tried to bribe Ukraine to announce an investigation into his political rival by withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid.

Way worse than lying about a blow job. WAY worse.

You might find this old column helpful -

Then show us where Trump openly stated that's what he was doing. Trump, like other Presidents in the past, temporarily held up aid for various reasons. As Sondland testified, Ukraine is notorious for making promises and not keeping them. Trump wanted that announcement to hold them to their word. He did not threaten to withhold aid for that reason however. All the ambassadors made the assumption he did, but never got any presidential direction that the aid was contingent on that announcement.

Trump doesn't need to announce "I am now committing bribery by withholding this foreign aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation into my political rival." He doesn't have to say the word bribery with his mouth and vocal cords.

The evidence, based on his actions, shows what he did. Fact witnesses have confirmed it. And he was only TWO days from getting away with it! No wonder he wants the name of the whistle blower.

 

[Rye Catcher]

It's amazing how many defenders of trump remain so ignorant on the issue of impeachment. Articles of Impeachment when passed will next be seen in the Senate, and IF the evidence in the trial is beyond a reasonable doubt, the consequences of the Senate Vote will either:

• Vote to Remove Trump from the office of POTUS,
• Or, Vote in a close vote to acquit Trump.

If the latter occurs, he will not be found innocent in the majority hearts and minds of the voting public. They will likely vote to remove the Senate majority from the Republican Party and deny trump his second term.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's amazing how many defenders of trump remain so ignorant on the issue of impeachment. Articles of Impeachment when passed will next be seen in the Senate, and IF the evidence in the trial is beyond a reasonable doubt, the consequences of the Senate Vote will either:

• Vote to Remove Trump from the office of POTUS,
• Or, Vote in a close vote to acquit Trump.

If the latter occurs, he will not be found innocent in the majority hearts and minds of the voting public. They will likely vote to remove the Senate majority from the Republican Party and deny trump his second term.

Polls show that the public support for impeachment is decreasing, especially among Independents. The television ratings for the inquiries also continued to decline.

People see this for what it is, and that is a Nazi takeover of our government, disenfranchising 63 million American voters. Not only will Trump be reelected, but it's likely the commies will lose leadership of the House as well.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I think your GOP filter is obscuring the truth. What "he (Trump) had in mind" is critical to whether he was violating both the constitution and campaign election laws when he pressured the Ukraine to open an investigation of the Bidens or just sought to eliminate corruption in the Ukraine. If his intent was to discredit Joe Biden, he is violating the law and the constitution but if his intent is simply to cleanup corruption in the Ukraine, then the Senate should dismiss the applicable charges.

As explained in the Federalist Papers (I think the number is 65), high crimes and misdemeanors is essentially bad conduct, not necessarily a violation of the law. If you look back at previous impeachments you will see articles charging violation of oath of office, improper use of executive powers, behavior unbecoming the office, immoral behavior, drunkenness, etc.

It has become customary that in impeachments today, there be at least one charge of violation of the law but that has not always been the case. You see, our forefathers believed that public officials must be held to much higher standards than the public. Just being a law abiding citizens was not enough. They expected public officials to be of high character. For example in Articles of Impeachment of Andrew Johnson it was claimed that he spoke with a loud voice, certain intemperate, inflammatory and scandalous harangues before congress.

Our forefathers would roll over in their graves if they saw who we were electing today.

It's why the GOP could impeach Clinton for lying about a blow job.

Trump withheld hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid to a country that desperately needed it in order to get dirt on his political opponent.

That is worse than lying about a blow job.

A temporary hold on US tax dollars is not against the law. Presidents (including Hussein) have been doing it for years. However perjury has always been against the law.

Bribery is impeachable. None of your hollering changes that.

Trump tried to bribe Ukraine to announce an investigation into his political rival by withholding hundreds of millions of dollars in foreign aid.

Way worse than lying about a blow job. WAY worse.

You might find this old column helpful -

Then show us where Trump openly stated that's what he was doing. Trump, like other Presidents in the past, temporarily held up aid for various reasons. As Sondland testified, Ukraine is notorious for making promises and not keeping them. Trump wanted that announcement to hold them to their word. He did not threaten to withhold aid for that reason however. All the ambassadors made the assumption he did, but never got any presidential direction that the aid was contingent on that announcement.

Trump doesn't need to announce "I am now committing bribery by withholding this foreign aid in exchange for the announcement of an investigation into my political rival." He doesn't have to say the word bribery with his mouth and vocal cords.

The evidence, based on his actions, shows what he did. Fact witnesses have confirmed it. And he was only TWO days from getting away with it! No wonder he wants the name of the whistle blower.

The only thing the witnesses confirmed is that they assumed what Trump was doing. Yes, you need to have evidence that Trump said he is withholding US aid until he sees an investigation by Ukraine of the Biden's. Again, Trump gave several reasons for withholding aid, and Biden was not one of them.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

People see this for what it is, and that is a Nazi takeover of our government, disenfranchising 63 million American voters.

Haha, you talk like a child. Listen to yourself.

Hey...where is that link that Biden got his son a job at Burisma?

 

[beagle9]

Jim Jordan on this impeachment inquiry: This is not about the facts, this is about Nancy Pelosi's attempt to impeach the President who, because he's done such good things he will likely win the 2020 election. They're playing on people's emotions when they hear the same lie repeated time after time on their pwn'd collaborating to destroy the President by Pelosi saying sewer swamp stuff like "President is an imposter." She is determined to destroy the President. She's been the least productive House Speaker in the history of the country. I'm sorry, but she has tarnished women by screwing the Constitution and trying to unseat the President who was elected in a landslide win in the College of electors.

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Do you honestly think all these lies will boost the Democrats? They just have to lie about why they perpetrated the last lie. The American people are tired of the Democrats lying to them, rehearsing ahead of time their great performances that are supposed to make people accept the lies they're telling, and even that is failing, because quite frankly, the American people are wise to the constant stream of lies perpetrated by actor Schiff, the false narrative's best expert in the DNC.

Oh, wait. All the lies in the Democrat aisle are actually your reality, because Demmie operatives are in the tunnel going down to the deep, deep state where all that Soros money is just waiting to be expropriated by telling tall tales.

The Dems are desperate................they know they have a losing scenario in the next election for President.......
They also know that the next one will probably appoint 2 more SCOTUS picks.........

They are flopping around like a fish out of water.

They are trying to protect years and years of treachery, and their agenda riddled ideas that weren't anywhere close to mainstream American values. Their socialized multi- cultural experiment has failed, and their use of the federal government to hit the American's over the head until they surrendered to them has failed also.

This is why it was get Trump at all cost, because they knew what was at stake with them, and they figured Trump had surrounded himself with their enemies.

Their enemies are conservative Christian's, and non-practicing Christian's who enjoy Christian values that appeal to them.

Their enemies are anyone making claims that America was ever great in the present or in the past while they suffered due mainly to their own choices made in life, and yes of course due to other things not of their doing, but yet was done to them because of their weaknesses in which they exhibited in life. Corrections are fluid, and are always in order. Thank God we are able as a nation to come to our senses sooner or later. The nation was on track, but has recently (in the past years gone by), has gotten off track. We must get the train back on the tracks, but first it must be understood as to what took it off the tracks. Once that is found, then the strengthening can be applied.

The leaders in the Democrat party exploit the follower's weaknesses, and build upon those weaknesses in order to gain power over them, and gain power over others in the process, and yet it's only to increase the problems while enriching themselves in the process. Can't let those crisis go to waste right ? The party of exploitation is mostly on the Democrats side of the isle, but greed also plays a role throughout both sides of the isle.

 

[okfine]

Yes, we've heard the truth repeatedly. No quid pro quo ordered by Trump.

Sondland testified there was a quid pro quo, and that everyone knew about it. He even named names.

Yes, a "presumed" quid pro quo. He also testified that Trump never ordered one, and in fact when questioned, Trump ordered no quid pro quo.

LOL. Yes there is clear quid pro quo. No doubt.

Trump ordered no quid pro is a joke. What do you expect from a liar president?




Trump is a piece of art PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

AP FACT CHECK: Trump’s false claim about Apple plant

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump tried to take credit Wednesday for opening a plant that’s been in business for years.

He also tried to blame House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for closing Congress, but she didn’t.

TRUMP: “Today I opened a major Apple Manufacturing plant in Texas that will bring high paying jobs back to America. Today Nancy Pelosi closed Congress because she doesn’t care about American Workers!” — tweet early Wednesday evening.

THE FACTS: Neither happened.

Trump visited a factory in Austin, Texas, that has made the Mac Pro for Apple since 2013.

Honey, they started the new expansion. No lie. Just a Perfect example of how the media lies-
Apple expands in Austin
Company Breaks Ground on New Campus, Begins Production of All-New Mac Pro

Out of the horses mouth

Wrong. Very wrong. Read my link and your link see if you understand the technicalities. Then read what Trump was stupidly bullshiting.

Let me help you ..... Today I opened a major plant Apple manufacturing job in Texas.


The plant won’t be operational till 2021. So how in the hell did this liar president open a manufacturing job?

Lets not forget about Carrier. Indiana hasn't.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Their enemies are conservative Christian's, and non-practicing Christian's who enjoy Christian values that appeal to them.

And that's why they go after the pussy grabbing, porn star rawdoggimg, charity stealing, incest-minded old conman?

 

[beagle9]

People see this for what it is, and that is a Nazi takeover of our government, disenfranchising 63 million American voters.

Haha, you talk like a child. Listen to yourself.

Hey...where is that link that Biden got his son a job at Burisma?

Why do you ask for links, when that isn't the new standard or norm set by the lynch mob doing the impeachment hearsay hearings ? Thought you knew that hearsay and assumption was the new norm now ? Tsk tsk on those new precedents being set right ?

 

[beagle9]

Their enemies are conservative Christian's, and non-practicing Christian's who enjoy Christian values that appeal to them.

And that's why they go after the pussy grabbing, porn star rawdoggimg, charity stealing, incest-minded old conman?

You say this with a straight face ?? Go back to all president's supported by demos and cons alike, and get back to me when you find the perfect one that suits your standards set.

 

[okfine]

Adam Schiff is probably the greatest American patriot in my lifetime!

Burbank should be proud!

 

[beagle9]

It's amazing how many defenders of trump remain so ignorant on the issue of impeachment. Articles of Impeachment when passed will next be seen in the Senate, and IF the evidence in the trial is beyond a reasonable doubt, the consequences of the Senate Vote will either:

• Vote to Remove Trump from the office of POTUS,
• Or, Vote in a close vote to acquit Trump.

If the latter occurs, he will not be found innocent in the majority hearts and minds of the voting public. They will likely vote to remove the Senate majority from the Republican Party and deny trump his second term.

Who is they ???? The left ? It sure isn't mainstream America.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Why do you ask for links,

Because he asked for one. I'm not going to re-read the last 10 pages to you.

I am not really asking for a link. He doesn't have a link.

Hope that helps.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

People see this for what it is, and that is a Nazi takeover of our government, disenfranchising 63 million American voters.

Haha, you talk like a child. Listen to yourself.

Hey...where is that link that Biden got his son a job at Burisma?

There is no link because nobody looked into it.......yet. But as a clueless lib, you think that Burisma hired Hunter because of his lack of qualifications and good looks. Burisma was desperately looking for somebody with no experience in the energy field, somebody that didn't even understand their language, and a big enough drug problem where he was kicked out of the military and entered rehab three times......that we know of.

Yeah, it had nothing to do with Joe. It was just dumb luck that he got that job, and DumBama put him in charge of Ukrainian deals between them and the US.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There is no link because nobody looked into i

Yet you claimed it as true. So,I claimed as true that the president abused the power of his office to get Ivanka her Chinese trademarks.

Glad that's settled.

 

[RealDave]

It has now come out that both Nunes & Jordan made trips to dig up dirt about Biden & the Ukraine.

So the two key Republicans were complicit in the effort to smear Biden.

Wow, the Republicans just get dirtier & dirtier as we go.

Correct. If we don't stop it now, the next thing you know, they will be laundering money through their lawyers to hire an agency to find dirt on Biden, even if they hire a foreign agent to obtain proof from the Russian government.

Then where will this country be?

It is perfectly legal (and common) for a campaign to hire an opposition research firm.

A President using government money to bribe a foreign official is illegal.
Sending out government employees to do campaign work is also illegal

 

[RealDave]

it means nothing that Zelenskyy claimed publicly that there was no quid pro quo on the part of Trump. It only means that it would be unwise for the Ukrainian president to criticize the U.S. president.

There was no quid pro quo. Your hatred for the President is noted.

Quid Pro Quo has been admitted . Your hatred for our Constitution is noted.

Admitted by who?

In a Friday interview on "Fox & Friends," President Donald Trump admitted to holding up military aid to pressure Ukraine's government to investigate a baseless conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 US election.

In other words, he acknowledged doing the very thing he could be impeached for and has repeatedly denied.

Here's the interview. Portions relevant to this article start around the 5:50 mark.

He had every right to hold up aid if the reason was to investigate or find out if Ukraine interfered in the 2016 elections, and if the Bidens were involved in that corruption over time as well. Not doing these things if have suspicion's of, would constitute a dereliction of duty.

He only was interested in Joe Biden.

 

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