Official Impeachment Thread 2.0: House Judiciary Committee Hearings

[Nostra]

What Joe Biden did is called "bribery" and yes, that is a crime. And unlike Trump, there is evidence of it.

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Your source Is the butthurt anti- Trumper who is pissed about being reassigned?

Hehe.

 

[Slade3200]

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Great!! Since it's the President who sets US policy, that drags Obama kicking and screaming into the mess. Dis gunna be good.

It would drag Obama, our EU Allies, Ukrainian reform leaders and the IMF. Either they are all engaging in a conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden or you and Trump are full of shit. Occam‘s razor says it’s the latter

 

[Slade3200]

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Your source Is the butthurt anti- Trumper who is pissed about being reassigned?

Hehe.

My source is a US Ambassador who worked for the administration at the time and who testified to that under oath to congress. Is your reply really going to be that she is lying? Final answer?

 

[bripat9643]

What Joe Biden did is called "bribery" and yes, that is a crime. And unlike Trump, there is evidence of it.

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Ron Johnson’s letter shows the will of those members of our congress. Do you think they were trying to cover for Hunter Biden with that letter? Why do you think they wrote it?

Where does it demand that Shokin be fired?

 

[Slade3200]

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Ron Johnson’s letter shows the will of those members of our congress. Do you think they were trying to cover for Hunter Biden with that letter? Why do you think they wrote it?

Where does it demand that Shokin be fired?

After reading it what do you think it is calling for?

 

[bripat9643]

What Joe Biden did is called "bribery" and yes, that is a crime. And unlike Trump, there is evidence of it.

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Post some evidence. I've never seen a single one of you douchebags do that.

Here’s a piece... now you do the rest and see how the rest of the world wanted the same thing...
3 GOP senators called for Ukrainian government reform in 2016 letter

Nowhere is Shokin's name mentioned.

What was mentioned in the letter? What was the purpose? Do I really need to walk you through 2+2?! You can’t be that dumb

In other words, Shokin wasn't mentioned.

Thanks for playing.

 

[JGalt]

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Great!! Since it's the President who sets US policy, that drags Obama kicking and screaming into the mess. Dis gunna be good.

It would drag Obama, our EU Allies, Ukrainian reform leaders and the IMF. Either they are all engaging in a conspiracy to protect Hunter Biden or you and Trump are full of shit. Occam‘s razor says it’s the latter

Nobody is "protecting" the Bidens, more information comes out every week or so from the ongoing investigation over there. And Biden's bribery and theft took place before Ukraine's reform.

Once we get Hunter on the stand, then the crackhead will rat on his own dad. Then it will be Joe being subpoenad. He will no doubt spill his guts and rat out Obama, seeing as how Obama won't give him the time of day now.

 

[Nostra]

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Your source Is the butthurt anti- Trumper who is pissed about being reassigned?

Hehe.

My source is a US Ambassador who worked for the administration at the time and who testified to that under oath to congress. Is your reply really going to be that she is lying? Final answer?

Yep.

 

[Zorro!]

The Dems' Lose-Lose Situation

Democrats have painted themselves into a corner where none of their impeachment options is good.

Having forced the nation to endure weeks of himself pretending to be god and trumpeting hearsay testimony as "revelatory," Adam Schiff has retired to his candlelit study to write in his own carefully drawn blood his “Impeachment Report.” From there it goes to Nadler, who will concur.

After that, Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats have a decision to make as to how they will proceed. And none of their options are good.

Democrats find themselves in quite the quandary. They have been planning Donald Trump’s impeachment since the second Wednesday of November 2016. The more manipulative among them, those of the “insurance policy,” were taking precautions even before then. Yet, despite their solipsistic insistence that they are the “thinking” party, the party of “science,” and of candidates with a thousand plans and ideas, Trump always seemed to have the Democrats flummoxed.

The day after they took Robert Swan Mueller III away from watching the Weather Channel and propped him up like Elvis Presley’s coat to testify in front of “House Colostomy Bag” Jerrold Lewis Nadler’s committee and he showed himself to be a mere figurehead more interested in what was for lunch than what was in his own report, they rolled out the “new charges, same swamp” faux “whistleblower," Eric Ciaramella.

They could have shown some humility and let it drop, after having wrongly and relentlessly publicly chased the man for more than three years only to be reduced to claiming that an innocent man screaming, “I’m innocent” was obstructing justice. Confident that Americans hated Donald Trump, and with the next election less than two years away, they could have concentrated on their jobs -- you know, as legislators -- but they just couldn’t pull the trigger on doing the right thing.

Despite always calling Republicans, “haters,” their hatred of Trump was not only their prime but absolute motivation. Yet, as much as it motivated, it blinded. They just had to take another shot at the king. And so, we had the embarrassingly unfair impeachment inquiry.

Even then, after all their plans, all their ideas, all their machinations in designing a made-for-TV pseudo-impeachment where all the rules were stacked against the president and his supporters on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, they still failed. This is Adam Schiff’s committee and it’s important to note that a committee on “intelligence:" is headed by not only a known moron, but a most dangerous of morons, a moron who doesn’t know he’s a moron. Schiff is just 1/1024 genius.

They can impeach the president and send the matter to trial in the Senate, where chances of success in the Republican-controlled upper chamber are less than 1/1024. In addition, having a trial with actual rules giving the president due process will likely boost Trump’s public support, while forcing the 31 Democrats from districts won by Trump in 2016 to go on the record, probably costing many their seats, even costing Pelosi her majority and guaranteeing Trump’s reelection.

They can drop impeachment and censure the president. This will anger her base, who will accept nothing less than impeachment, perhaps convincing many to stay home next November – potentially costing Nancy her gavel and giving Trump four more years.

 

[BULLDOG]

Watching a recorded version of the hearing and Bucks line of questioning. He asked Turley if the other three panelists would consider a list of other acts that other presidents did as an abuse of power under the same standards they are holding on Trump. The other three panelists were siting right there but instead of questioning them he just went off on his own rant pushing his narrative and using Turley as a nodding bobble head .... that was the most pathetic line of questioning I’ve seen yet.

the questions were actually good but he was too scared to actually question the people sitting right in front of him. #Weak

Pathetic, wasn't it? Turley was visibly uncomfortable. Sadly, he didn't find it in himself to retort, "With all due respect, Congressman, my esteemed colleagues are sitting right here, right next to me. So, if you want to hear their opinion on the matters you inquired, why not ask them? I'd also be interested in hearing them out."

Well, just as pathetic was the Democrats' determined effort to ignore Turley. Apparently there was just one with the guts to take him on, at least so far. In my view, they are doing this hearing a great disservice. Personally, I find Turley thoroughly disingenuous in his arguments, and would have loved to see them picked apart. So, they chose to let stand, basically unopposed, the charge there's a thin basis for impeachment, which would be further marred by lack of evidence. Disconcerting, that.

i agree... I don’t like the 3 on 1 and I don’t like how each side is using the witnesses to push their agenda instead of challenging them with questions and good debate.

I would love to see Turley and the guy on the left end have a sit down debate/discussion about it. Get these soapbox politicians out of the way.

You mean the guy on the left who said trump should be impeached for a naughty tweet? You missed Turlys point all along and not just for today. His point is t that trump is awesome. Matter of fact, Turly ain't even a trump guy. He was correct in saying that this is nothing but people who are mad being mad, and that impeaching a presidant because he is a poopy face is not a good idea, even though it's doable. This should worry the hell out of you, and it would if you could see past the TDS. Look, one day a democrat will be presidant. That's a fact. One day the republicans will have a house full of crazy fuckers equivelant to AOC and her squad. What will you say when they impeach that presidant?

That is the exact same bullshit defense Turley gave when he represented Thomas Porteous in his impeachment in 2010. It didn't prevent Porteous from being kicked out of office then, but the GOP still had some integrity back then. As far as the house being full of crazy repub fuckers, they impeached Clinton for a consensual blowjob.

 

[bripat9643]

That is exactly what Biden did.

No that’s not at all what Biden did.

had Biden leveraged the loan in order to drop the Burisma case then it would be on par with what Trump did and I’d agree that would be a criminal act

But that's exactly what he did: Fire the prosecutor investigating the Burisma case, or you're not getting the one billion dollars.

And son of a bitch, they fired the prosecutor.

You are making that up. Biden didn’t get sokin fired because he was investigating Burisma. That investigation wasn’t even active. He got him fired because it was a source of corruption in Ukraine and it was our countries policy and that of our allies to seek reforms in his office.

We've heard this cover story a thousands times. Where is the proof that the US or our allies wanted him fired? No one has ever posted it.

Here you go you dunce. WSJ article from 2016 before all this Trump drama started.... It was a known position of our country and our allies
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The United States and other Western nations had for months called for the ousting of Mr. Shokin, who was widely criticized for turning a blind eye to corrupt practices and for defending the interests of a venal and entrenched elite. He was one of several political figures in Kiev whom reformers and Western diplomats saw as a worrying indicator of a return to past corrupt practices, two years after a revolution that was supposed to put a stop to self-dealing by those in power.

Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance

"It was a known position of our country and allies" is not a quote of some government official in a position of authority demanding the Shokin be fired. You still haven't quoted anyone demand Shokin to be fired.

 

[Slade3200]

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?

because she was the Ukrainian ambassador who testified under oath and said something that dozens of officials could easily contradict if she was Perjuring herself. But I guess you’re gonna run with the “she’s lying reply too?”

you two are literally retarded

 

[edward37]

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affThe same might be asked of you bri Why beliveairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?

The same might be asked of you bri Why should anyone believe anything this lying AH trump or his traitors say/

 

[BULLDOG]

The ranking member is yelling as much as an ex-wife. He seems to be just as reasonable too.

I'm a little upset at Nadlers Kangaroo Court myself.

Lots of Trump supporters are upset. You think Trump is above the law.

Not a Trump supporter.

But if you think Nadler, or the group to his left, is being fair, you're more partisan than I considered possible.

Since when are you not a Trump supporter? You argue in support of that orange fool and against his opponents every day.

oh he's a trump supporter,,,,,,,,,say's he didn't vote for him,,,,maybe true but bet he never voted dem in his lifetime ,,,,a true repub

Trump supporters voluntarily discard any sign of integrity. You didn't expect you would get honesty from him did you?

 

[Slade3200]

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Post some evidence. I've never seen a single one of you douchebags do that.

Here’s a piece... now you do the rest and see how the rest of the world wanted the same thing...
3 GOP senators called for Ukrainian government reform in 2016 letter

Nowhere is Shokin's name mentioned.

What was mentioned in the letter? What was the purpose? Do I really need to walk you through 2+2?! You can’t be that dumb

In other words, Shokin wasn't mentioned.

Thanks for playing.

Yeah I should have figured it was over your head. Reforms to his office means replacing leadership in his office which means firing the current corrupt leader in that office, Shokin. It isn’t difficult and it was also widely known and talked about back then. I posted and article from 2016 and testimony from the ambassador. You you can’t accept really after all that then you are a hopeless idiot

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?

because she was the Ukrainian ambassador who testified under oath and said something that dozens of officials could easily contradict if she was Perjuring herself. But I guess you’re gonna run with the “she’s lying reply too?”

you two are literally retarded

Where did she say the US and its allies were demanding that Shokin be fired?

 

[bripat9643]

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?

The same might be asked of you bri Why should anyone believe anything this lying AH trump or his traitors say/

No one is asking you to take Trump at his word, dumbass.

 

[JGalt]

Bullshit. Nothing in our national policy said Ukraine needed to fire Shokin

It absolutely was. Not only our national policy but that of many country’s in the EU. You need to education yourself. Ron Johnson even signed a letter calling for reforms to Shokins office.

Ron Johnson and the EU sets our "National policy"?

Link?

Yovanovitch Says Biden's Push to Oust Ukraine Prosecutor Was U.S. Policy

Where is the documentary evidence? Why should anyone believe a Trump hating partisan?

The same might be asked of you bri Why should anyone believe anything this lying AH trump or his traitors say/

Would you believe me if I told you that Trump is going to win the election in 2020?

 

[The Original Tree]

So says you. He did nothing but say to Zelensky, that the Attorney General Barr, and Guliani are the people he should work with on issues of corruption.

So how about instead of avoiding facts and evading questions, why don’t you just bring some facts and evidence?

But Facts and Evidence are not something that Nazis and Communists require when they need to move a political rival out of the way.

Your biased opinion is invalid.

How about this, why don’t you do “US” (The United States) a favor and investigate Joe Biden’s dealings with Russian Puppets in The Ukraine for his own personal enrichment?

No, that was not “The Royal US”

How are “the wages of desperation” paying off for you?

Shit on your face is how.

You deserve it by the way.

Joe Biden admitted on video that he committed quid pro quo, where were you when that happened? He got a Ukrainian prosecutor fired because he wouldn't back off of an investigation that was entangling Biden's son. Hunter Biden is now in deep shit, as some in Ukraine are saying he stole millions of dollars of their money, and they want it back.

We also have an Obama-era treaty with Ukraine, to root out corruption there, so it's not looking very good for the Bidens right now.

ThereS nothing illegal about what Biden did. Quid pro quo isn’t illegal when used in national diplomacy. Did you not know that?

What Joe Biden did is called "bribery" and yes, that is a crime. And unlike Trump, there is evidence of it.

No it’s not a crime when used in diplomacy. Nobody in congress or the executive objected to how Biden handled affairs with Ukraine because it was in line with our national policy. Trump on the other hand made move against what the set policy was

The President of the United States sets the policy of this country, and Donald Trump is the President of the United States.

So if bribery is supposedly "not a crime" when used in diplomacy, why the impeachment hearings?

You're desperately clutching at straws, dude.

you are right, the president sets policy and if he thought there was corruption with Biden in Ukraine he has every right to root it out and there is a process for that. He didn’t go through that process. He back channeled with Rudy Guliani because he was trying to get political dirt, not serve the interest of his country.