Official USMB Debate 2020 -- "Round One" Thread..

[Faun]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

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"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

What that transcript says is that you cherrypicked the quote, you dishonest prick. Don't lie to me.

Whassamatter, fool, you don't like me using your source to prove I'm right?

Sure, calling me names proves you're right Faun. I read the transcript from top to bottom. Want me to prove YOU wrong with it? The very title of the page is "IN CONTEXT" in which the president was quoted. YOU only take at minimum five words out of an entire transcript and attempt to shape a false narrative around it.


Have a seat you worthless tool.

From the link I posted:


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

You're proving me right again. It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

"You're proving me right again."

How? Be more specific than pre-generated talking points.

It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

You seem to be forgetting that everything was peaceful until the commies showed up. I guess you think constitutional rights only apply to people you agree with. I didn't agree with most of the messaging, but they had every right to peaceably assemble and speak their peace. No on had a right to violently confront them. If you think otherwise, you're the problem.

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So? Is that supposed to mean the radical right racists aren't racists?

In this country people have a right to be peaceful racist, just like you have a right to be a peaceful commie. When your side decides to breach the peace that makes you the problem. Own it commie.

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I never said they didn't have a right to protest. Good job, con. You just earned the strawman award of the day. I'll take that as acknowledgment that even you know Impeached Trump called racists, "very fine people."

 

[Faun]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

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"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

What that transcript says is that you cherrypicked the quote, you dishonest prick. Don't lie to me.

Whassamatter, fool, you don't like me using your source to prove I'm right?

Sure, calling me names proves you're right Faun. I read the transcript from top to bottom. Want me to prove YOU wrong with it? The very title of the page is "IN CONTEXT" in which the president was quoted. YOU only take at minimum five words out of an entire transcript and attempt to shape a false narrative around it.


Have a seat you worthless tool.

From the link I posted:


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

You're proving me right again. It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

They were people there to support their belief that statues should be left alone. Peaceful southern pride folks. They do exist.

Prove they were at that rally.... It was a racist rally by the alt-right. The event was created, sponsored, promoted, hosted and attended by racists from various racist groups.

I was not there. I am guessing that was the intel he received. I am a Jew, I know what they were chanting. I believe he should have been stronger in his denouncement.

You claim to be a Jew but here you are, claiming there were "very fine people" in that crowd.

Which ones were "very fine people?" Point them out...

I said he said there were other people there sans the white supremacists. If he is wrong then shame on him but the point is that he vilified the white supremacists there. His daughter and three grandchildren are Jewish. He is not an antisemite.

And I am Jewish, waste of life. Pay attention.

Great, quote him saying there were other people there...

Quote whom? Trump condemned the white supremacists and he said what is next George Washington? Guess what? George Washington was next. He was right. You're a snowflake. Poor waste of life, bested again.

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He didn't condemn the KKK or the Proud Boys or the NPI or skinheads, etc... So that's who he meant are very fine people. Thanks for clearing that up.

It was truly disgusting.

Yup. Even more disgusting than his sycophants trying to defend him.

 

[Lakhota]

Republicans Aren’t Happy With Trump’s Debate Performance

No wonder.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Jo Jorgensen, though not permitted to debate with the duopoly's offerings, is on the ballot in all 50 states.



I believe she had a policy discussion last night, too, just prior to the left/right political football game. I imagine it was a little deeper than the mud puddle Wallace and that bunch tippy toed through.

Not really a fan of the big L Libertarian Party, they can't get out of their own way, but just for the record, there's a third option on every ballot.

 

[Faun]

Biden handled the bit about his son taking money exactly like Trump does. He lied, called it completely fake news, called it a totally discredited lie. Very impressive. Very Trumpian.

Of course most of — but certainly not all of — those charges were exaggerations. Biden actually came out of it sounding almost classy, like a wounded father. Pretty surprising to me.

You forget there are suspicious activity reports from the banks that document the transactions.

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It is true

What is true is:

• Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden, had an investment deal 7 years ago that involved the Bank of China, but Trump’s $1.5 billion figure is most probably exaggerated. How much it’s exaggerated is unclear, given the lack of disclosures.
• There is no evidence that either of the Bidens broke any laws, but experts in political ethics say that the elder Biden would have been better served if his son had never gotten involved with an investment entity linked to China.
• Experts say it’s not unusual for the Chinese government and state-affiliated businesses to court prominent Americans or their family members. Ivanka Trump, for example, was granted potentially lucrative trademark protections by the Chinese government while she was serving as a White House official.

What has come out of RNC and Trump campaign are accusation lacking any proof. This started after the Senate republican investigation of both Biden's found no wrong doing.

Republicans need to very careful in going after Hunter Biden because that can turn very quicken into a discussion of the Ukraine, and Trump's recorded phone call admitting he would trade US support for dirt on Biden. This kind of discussion reminds Trump voters that they're going to be voting for an impeached president that senate republicans quickly dismissed all charges without any investigation or witnesses.

Hunter Biden and China: Looking at a murky business deal

In recent weeks, President Donald Trump and his allies have ratcheted up attacks against Democratic presidential nominee

www.politifact.com

If you had to bet your life, would you bet Hunter got his money fairly and honestly? Yes or No?

What a stupid thing to say. Who on Earth would bet their life??

 

[Meathead]

Republicans Aren’t Happy With Trump’s Debate Performance

No wonder.

Huffpo

No wonder.

 

[jc456]

Biden handled the bit about his son taking money exactly like Trump does. He lied, called it completely fake news, called it a totally discredited lie. Very impressive. Very Trumpian.

Of course most of — but certainly not all of — those charges were exaggerations. Biden actually came out of it sounding almost classy, like a wounded father. Pretty surprising to me.

You forget there are suspicious activity reports from the banks that document the transactions.

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It is true

What is true is:

• Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden, had an investment deal 7 years ago that involved the Bank of China, but Trump’s $1.5 billion figure is most probably exaggerated. How much it’s exaggerated is unclear, given the lack of disclosures.
• There is no evidence that either of the Bidens broke any laws, but experts in political ethics say that the elder Biden would have been better served if his son had never gotten involved with an investment entity linked to China.
• Experts say it’s not unusual for the Chinese government and state-affiliated businesses to court prominent Americans or their family members. Ivanka Trump, for example, was granted potentially lucrative trademark protections by the Chinese government while she was serving as a White House official.

What has come out of RNC and Trump campaign are accusation lacking any proof. This started after the Senate republican investigation of both Biden's found no wrong doing.

Republicans need to very careful in going after Hunter Biden because that can turn very quicken into a discussion of the Ukraine, and Trump's recorded phone call admitting he would trade US support for dirt on Biden. This kind of discussion reminds Trump voters that they're going to be voting for an impeached president that senate republicans quickly dismissed all charges without any investigation or witnesses.

Hunter Biden and China: Looking at a murky business deal

In recent weeks, President Donald Trump and his allies have ratcheted up attacks against Democratic presidential nominee

www.politifact.com

Too funny! Citizens Taking foreign money, and while daddy in office, Logan, act. You admitted it and you look the other way, nothing to see here

 

[candycorn]

Already reading that numerous democrats don't want Slow Joe to debate again. Wow! Even his own supporters are telling him to stop.

I told them Biden can't handle an opponent as strong as Trump. Hell Hillary barely stood her ground and she's about as nasty as the Dems have.

Phhhhhheewww....oh boy....

First off, hats off to Wallace. That could not have been an easy job. For those of you who say Wallace is a disgrace...you are entitled to your opinion...but I just dont see it.

I imagine wallace, after he leaves tonight is going to have himself a stiff drink.....or 18....

I did not see where wallace was favoring trump at all. He spent most of the debate trying to shut trump down. Again, that chair was a tough place to be tonight.

Say what you will, but biden did it. He held out for the entire debate and didn't cave. Sure, he had a few moments where he got a bit tongue tied, but at the end of it all, he didn't turn into the nonsensical babbling person people thought he would. For the most part, he stayed on point. Its because of this that I think trumps antics actually helped biden.

Biden, by withstanding trumps onslaught, showed people he has more resolve. I think this is going to play well for biden, not so much for trump.

Trump had a good opportunity here to prove all of his critics wrong. He should have stood up there, and respected biden. He should have respected Wallace, and the rules of the debate. They both should have spoken when it was their turn and respected the other person when it wasn't.

Trump had an opportunity to look presidential, but he didn't do it. He had to be the aggressor and the bully. He had to dominate and try to shut biden down. He could have been the bigger man, and people would have gained respect for him, because he would have shown the country that he could stand there and carry on a debate, calmly, and with reservation.

Again, I think this is not going to play well for trump. Let's hope someone talks to him and gives him some constructive criticism before their next debate.

I think most people have already made up their minds, so, in the long run, this will probably not really hurt trump.

200 million?

Huh?

You say the Slow Joe "did it"... But he claimed 200 million have died from Covid. That statement alone showed his 47 years of doing nothing has destructed his brain. The old man is shot. He had nothing but deflecting fake laughs. President Trump is living in his head now rent free. Let him keep fake laughing while people are dying.

Was biden gaffe free? No, but I think he did a lot better than most people were expecting.

People were claiming he needed breaks because he couldn't handle 90 minutes straight. People were saying he was going to fall apart.

Again, say what you will, he withstood better than most thought he would, and with trump interrupting and trying rattle him the whole time, I think it may have backfired on trump.

He was lucid, manipulative, and just kept telling one huge lie after another.

Wallace allowed Biden to lie with impunity, Trump had to jump in and do the moderating.

When your opposition starts attacking the moderator for their candidates rather poor performance, then you know you won.

Considering the fact that Wallace was doing the job of 4 moderator and how poorly the candidates followed the rules, I think he did a very good job. If I was Wallace, I would have politely told them to shut up and then I would have turned off their mike. This wasn't a debate, it was a shouting match in which each candidate spent as much time off topic as they spent on topic.

If you're ahead in the polls, as Biden seems to be, he did quite a bit better than he had to. I think he actually gained ground.

I think the debate probably energized both candidates base for different reasons.

Biden's base breathed a sign of relief. Trump couldn't shake him, he was effective when he addressed the TV audience, something Trump should have done more of, he answered most of the questions, and he made Trump look like a angry bully unable to defend his actions other than launching off topic attacks on Biden.

Trump's base got exactly what they wanted from Trump, interrupting Biden over and over, talking over him, lots of attacks, and going off topic to make wildly exaggerated claims.

For the non-political types hoping to learn something knew, they turned it off after 20 mins. For them it was two angry people shouting and talking over each other.

The base? Yes. But if you have a spectrum of hard right on the right and hard left on the left, as you get toward the middle, your support gets softer. Somewhere on the spectrum is the tipping point where support tilts one way or the other. He moved the fulcrum closer to his own end with that performance.

I don't think support for either candidate is that soft today. It was a few months. I saw two polls, both showing voter would not be swayed by the debate. One poll showed only 12% saying the debate may effect their vote. And NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll before the debate finds only 11% of voters undecided.

Poll Finds 11% Of Voters Still Undecided As Election Nears

80% of voters say they have a high level of interest, registering either a "9" or "10" on a 10-point scale in interest.

www.forbes.com

I didn't say that.

I said that if you're talking about the base, you're right. If you're talking about people who voted against Hillary and not for Trump....I think he lost some of them

He has been losing them since the morning of November 10, 2016.

Perhaps. For the life of me, I can't think of why anyone who saw him making fun of a man with disabilities voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say that Megyn Kelly was on her period voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say that John McCain was not a hero voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say that Ben Carson had the same mentality of a child molester voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say any of the thousands of documented lies still supports him. But they do. That being said, there are unvarnished moments that have the parallel qualities of being batshit crazy statements AND directly affect you insofar as either whom you support or whom you trust. When Kushner said, "Its our stockpile" while people were dying from a lack of PPE. That hit. You noticed that he hasn't been front and center on the covid front any more. It sort of landed with the making fun of the man's handicapped. The blob doesn't do that any more. The bible incident was essentially his Dukakis in a tank moment where you realized that he really doesn't know how stupid he looks. Last night with the embracing of a White Supremacist group....it hit home with the soft supporters.

I asked a mod here how they can still support a guy who tells violent white supremacists groups to "stand by"....he refused to answer instead of defending his God.

 

[jc456]

Let’s look at what Trump actually said, shall we?
Chris Wallace: (41:33)
You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.

President Donald J. Trump: (41:57)
Sure, I’m willing to do that.

Chris Wallace: (41:59)
Are you prepared specifically to do it.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:00)
I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.

Chris Wallace: (42:04)
But what are you saying?

President Donald J. Trump: (42:06)
I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

Trump & Biden First Presidential Debate 2020 | Transcripts

Full transcript of the first 2020 presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. The debate was moderated by Chris Wallace of Fox News on September 29, 2020 in Cleveland, Ohio.

www.rev.com

Now, just because he didn't utter the words he had previously, they want to say he didn’t condemn them. Who gets to choose? Why must he continually be asked to condemn once he already has?
His previous comments-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

And the question not asked, mr VP do you condemn antifa violence? I want to know why

 

[jc456]

Already reading that numerous democrats don't want Slow Joe to debate again. Wow! Even his own supporters are telling him to stop.

I told them Biden can't handle an opponent as strong as Trump. Hell Hillary barely stood her ground and she's about as nasty as the Dems have.

Phhhhhheewww....oh boy....

First off, hats off to Wallace. That could not have been an easy job. For those of you who say Wallace is a disgrace...you are entitled to your opinion...but I just dont see it.

I imagine wallace, after he leaves tonight is going to have himself a stiff drink.....or 18....

I did not see where wallace was favoring trump at all. He spent most of the debate trying to shut trump down. Again, that chair was a tough place to be tonight.

Say what you will, but biden did it. He held out for the entire debate and didn't cave. Sure, he had a few moments where he got a bit tongue tied, but at the end of it all, he didn't turn into the nonsensical babbling person people thought he would. For the most part, he stayed on point. Its because of this that I think trumps antics actually helped biden.

Biden, by withstanding trumps onslaught, showed people he has more resolve. I think this is going to play well for biden, not so much for trump.

Trump had a good opportunity here to prove all of his critics wrong. He should have stood up there, and respected biden. He should have respected Wallace, and the rules of the debate. They both should have spoken when it was their turn and respected the other person when it wasn't.

Trump had an opportunity to look presidential, but he didn't do it. He had to be the aggressor and the bully. He had to dominate and try to shut biden down. He could have been the bigger man, and people would have gained respect for him, because he would have shown the country that he could stand there and carry on a debate, calmly, and with reservation.

Again, I think this is not going to play well for trump. Let's hope someone talks to him and gives him some constructive criticism before their next debate.

I think most people have already made up their minds, so, in the long run, this will probably not really hurt trump.

200 million?

Huh?

You say the Slow Joe "did it"... But he claimed 200 million have died from Covid. That statement alone showed his 47 years of doing nothing has destructed his brain. The old man is shot. He had nothing but deflecting fake laughs. President Trump is living in his head now rent free. Let him keep fake laughing while people are dying.

Was biden gaffe free? No, but I think he did a lot better than most people were expecting.

People were claiming he needed breaks because he couldn't handle 90 minutes straight. People were saying he was going to fall apart.

Again, say what you will, he withstood better than most thought he would, and with trump interrupting and trying rattle him the whole time, I think it may have backfired on trump.

He was lucid, manipulative, and just kept telling one huge lie after another.

Wallace allowed Biden to lie with impunity, Trump had to jump in and do the moderating.

When your opposition starts attacking the moderator for their candidates rather poor performance, then you know you won.

Considering the fact that Wallace was doing the job of 4 moderator and how poorly the candidates followed the rules, I think he did a very good job. If I was Wallace, I would have politely told them to shut up and then I would have turned off their mike. This wasn't a debate, it was a shouting match in which each candidate spent as much time off topic as they spent on topic.

If you're ahead in the polls, as Biden seems to be, he did quite a bit better than he had to. I think he actually gained ground.

I think the debate probably energized both candidates base for different reasons.

Biden's base breathed a sign of relief. Trump couldn't shake him, he was effective when he addressed the TV audience, something Trump should have done more of, he answered most of the questions, and he made Trump look like a angry bully unable to defend his actions other than launching off topic attacks on Biden.

Trump's base got exactly what they wanted from Trump, interrupting Biden over and over, talking over him, lots of attacks, and going off topic to make wildly exaggerated claims.

For the non-political types hoping to learn something knew, they turned it off after 20 mins. For them it was two angry people shouting and talking over each other.

The base? Yes. But if you have a spectrum of hard right on the right and hard left on the left, as you get toward the middle, your support gets softer. Somewhere on the spectrum is the tipping point where support tilts one way or the other. He moved the fulcrum closer to his own end with that performance.

I don't think support for either candidate is that soft today. It was a few months. I saw two polls, both showing voter would not be swayed by the debate. One poll showed only 12% saying the debate may effect their vote. And NBC/Wall Street Journal Poll before the debate finds only 11% of voters undecided.

Poll Finds 11% Of Voters Still Undecided As Election Nears

80% of voters say they have a high level of interest, registering either a "9" or "10" on a 10-point scale in interest.

www.forbes.com

I didn't say that.

I said that if you're talking about the base, you're right. If you're talking about people who voted against Hillary and not for Trump....I think he lost some of them

He has been losing them since the morning of November 10, 2016.

Perhaps. For the life of me, I can't think of why anyone who saw him making fun of a man with disabilities voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say that Megyn Kelly was on her period voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say that John McCain was not a hero voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say that Ben Carson had the same mentality of a child molester voted for him. I can't think of why anyone who heard him say any of the thousands of documented lies still supports him. But they do. That being said, there are unvarnished moments that have the parallel qualities of being batshit crazy statements AND directly affect you insofar as either whom you support or whom you trust. When Kushner said, "Its our stockpile" while people were dying from a lack of PPE. That hit. You noticed that he hasn't been front and center on the covid front any more. It sort of landed with the making fun of the man's handicapped. The blob doesn't do that any more. The bible incident was essentially his Dukakis in a tank moment where you realized that he really doesn't know how stupid he looks. Last night with the embracing of a White Supremacist group....it hit home with the soft supporters.

I asked a mod here how they can still support a guy who tells violent white supremacists groups to "stand by"....he refused to answer instead of defending his God.

It’s not your job nor your issue to worry about.

 

[Faun]

Let’s look at what Trump actually said, shall we?
Chris Wallace: (41:33)
You have repeatedly criticized the vice president for not specifically calling out Antifa and other left wing extremist groups. But are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia group and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.

President Donald J. Trump: (41:57)
Sure, I’m willing to do that.

Chris Wallace: (41:59)
Are you prepared specifically to do it.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:00)
I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing not from the right wing.

Chris Wallace: (42:04)
But what are you saying?

President Donald J. Trump: (42:06)
I’m willing to do anything. I want to see peace.

Trump & Biden First Presidential Debate 2020 | Transcripts

Full transcript of the first 2020 presidential debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden. The debate was moderated by Chris Wallace of Fox News on September 29, 2020 in Cleveland, Ohio.

www.rev.com

Now, just because he didn't utter the words he had previously, they want to say he didn’t condemn them. Who gets to choose? Why must he continually be asked to condemn once he already has?
His previous comments-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

LOL

You dumbfuck.

Not only did Impeached Trump not condemn them or tell them to "stand down" when Wallace challenged him to do so, he gave the Proud Boys marching orders to take on Antifa and the left. The part of the transcript you left out ....

Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.​

 

[TemplarKormac]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

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"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

What that transcript says is that you cherrypicked the quote, you dishonest prick. Don't lie to me.

Whassamatter, fool, you don't like me using your source to prove I'm right?

Sure, calling me names proves you're right Faun. I read the transcript from top to bottom. Want me to prove YOU wrong with it? The very title of the page is "IN CONTEXT" in which the president was quoted. YOU only take at minimum five words out of an entire transcript and attempt to shape a false narrative around it.


Have a seat you worthless tool.

From the link I posted:


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

You're proving me right again. It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

"You're proving me right again."

How? Be more specific than pre-generated talking points.

It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

I can already tell you have no verbal comprehension skills. At all.


You do realize he was complimenting the people protesting the statue, too right? The ones who weren't violent? The ones who didn't respond to violence with violence? Same of the alt right protesting the removal. Not all of them were there to cause violence and mayhem, something you love to ignore. You lump them all together like the partisan you naturally are. And then you try to say Trump was saying the extremists were "very fine people".

YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT.

You are a foolish human being.

The protest of the statute was organized, promoted, hosted, sponsored and attended by racists. It was a racist event.

And this picturebook proves what, exactly?

 

[TemplarKormac]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

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"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

What that transcript says is that you cherrypicked the quote, you dishonest prick. Don't lie to me.

Whassamatter, fool, you don't like me using your source to prove I'm right?

Sure, calling me names proves you're right Faun. I read the transcript from top to bottom. Want me to prove YOU wrong with it? The very title of the page is "IN CONTEXT" in which the president was quoted. YOU only take at minimum five words out of an entire transcript and attempt to shape a false narrative around it.


Have a seat you worthless tool.

From the link I posted:


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

You're proving me right again. It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

"You're proving me right again."

How? Be more specific than pre-generated talking points.

It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

I can already tell you have no verbal comprehension skills. At all.


You do realize he was complimenting the people protesting the statue, too right? The ones who weren't violent? The ones who didn't respond to violence with violence? Same of the alt right protesting the removal. Not all of them were there to cause violence and mayhem, something you love to ignore. You lump them all together like the partisan you naturally are. And then you try to say Trump was saying the extremists were "very fine people".

YOU KNOW DAMN WELL THAT'S NOT WHAT HE MEANT.

You are a foolish human being.

Poor Fawn, getting his ass handed to him again.

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Aww, poor, ShortBus. Posting that reveals far more about you than it does me. You really shouldn't let other posters get under your skin like that.

Lol. What a desperate reply.

 

[eddiew37]

Why aren’t they discussing foreign policy?

Did you actually expect Chris Wallace to choose to allow Trump to talk about his historic peace deal? No, it's FAR more important to the future of the nation that they gabble on about whether or not climate change is responsible for forest fires.

The topics for this debate were negotiated and made clear beforehand.

I'm sure that foreign policy will be a topic at one of the future debates.

Best thing to do is shut off the mike of the guy who is NOT speaking Take away the scumbag trumps whole game

Only scumbag here, traitor, is you. Muting the mike on both would have been prudent. Wallace lost control.

You fn idiot you israel before America nit wit Wallace lost control because the biggest asshole ever in our WH wouldn't shut his stinkin lying mouth

 

[TemplarKormac]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

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"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

What that transcript says is that you cherrypicked the quote, you dishonest prick. Don't lie to me.

Whassamatter, fool, you don't like me using your source to prove I'm right?

Sure, calling me names proves you're right Faun. I read the transcript from top to bottom. Want me to prove YOU wrong with it? The very title of the page is "IN CONTEXT" in which the president was quoted. YOU only take at minimum five words out of an entire transcript and attempt to shape a false narrative around it.


Have a seat you worthless tool.

From the link I posted:


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

You're proving me right again. It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

They were people there to support their belief that statues should be left alone. Peaceful southern pride folks. They do exist.

Prove they were at that rally.... It was a racist rally by the alt-right. The event was created, sponsored, promoted, hosted and attended by racists from various racist groups.

I was not there. I am guessing that was the intel he received. I am a Jew, I know what they were chanting. I believe he should have been stronger in his denouncement.

You claim to be a Jew but here you are, claiming there were "very fine people" in that crowd.

Which ones were "very fine people?" Point them out...

I said he said there were other people there sans the white supremacists. If he is wrong then shame on him but the point is that he vilified the white supremacists there. His daughter and three grandchildren are Jewish. He is not an antisemite.

And I am Jewish, waste of life. Pay attention.

Great, quote him saying there were other people there...

Quote whom? Trump condemned the white supremacists and he said what is next George Washington? Guess what? George Washington was next. He was right. You're a snowflake. Poor waste of life, bested again.

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He didn't condemn the KKK or the Proud Boys or the NPI or skinheads, etc... So that's who he meant are very fine people. Thanks for clearing that up.

He designated the KKK a terrorist organization, you idiot. That's the ultimate form of condemnation a hate group in America can receive. They are now among the ranks of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, and Hezbollah.

You really don't pay attention, do you?

 

[Meathead]

You fn idiot you israel before America nit wit Wallace lost control because the biggest asshole ever in our WH wouldn't shut his stinkin lying mouth

You should never post drunk. With your age and intellect perhaps you shouldn't post sober either.

 

[eddiew37]

What did the moron say about health care what did he say stopping the virus ? The pos has nothing to say of any value Nothing outside of bashing smarter opponents Sort of like AH's here bashing faun and dragon lady Trump is a great teacher of BS

 

[hjmick]

Shit show. For the next debate turn off the mike of the person who doesn't have the floor. Have a light indicating if the mike is on or off.

Good idea. I was thinking of a muzzle but your idea is more practical.

I was thinking sound proof booths with the audio fed in...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

His lack of courage in answering the packing of the Supreme Court is interesting. We ll see if this hurts Biden.

Biden punted

Yes. Unfortunate. Shows cowardice.

Trump didn’t punt on condemning White Supremacy
He just can’t do it. Looked like he was going to at first, then backed away

He said Proud Boys stand down and Biden said Antifa is an idea?

No. He didn't say ”Proud Boys stand down”.

He did. LoneLoser. Turn up your miracle ear, fatty.

ShortBus, Impeached Trump said, "stand back and stand by." Asked to condemn white supremacists, he instead tells them to stand by.

Stand down and stand back

LOL

It's like you rightards live in an alternate universe where you make up your own alternative facts.

No moron, he said, "stand back and stand by." And immediately after telling thd Proud Boys to "stand by," he says, "but I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left." So rather than condemn white supremacists, he gives them the green light to "do something" about the left. He's a sick fuck who supports white supremacy.

He has formerly condemned white supremacists.-
“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:


“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”
Proud Boys being used a white supremacist group is a left wing thing, without merit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/12/08/fbi-says-proud-boys-are-not-an-extremist-group-after-all/

View attachment 394893
Proud Boy with wife and kids
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More Proud Boys

"But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides."

It was a racist rally to unite the alt-right extremist groups of the Proud Boys, KKK, neo-nazis, and other assorted white supremacists...

... so who anong them are "very fine people?"

In Context: Trump’s ‘very fine people on both sides’ remarks

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastr

www.politifact.com

Thanks for proving what I said is accurate. Impeached Trump called members of the racist alt-right, "very fine people."

What that transcript says is that you cherrypicked the quote, you dishonest prick. Don't lie to me.

Whassamatter, fool, you don't like me using your source to prove I'm right?

Sure, calling me names proves you're right Faun. I read the transcript from top to bottom. Want me to prove YOU wrong with it? The very title of the page is "IN CONTEXT" in which the president was quoted. YOU only take at minimum five words out of an entire transcript and attempt to shape a false narrative around it.


Have a seat you worthless tool.

From the link I posted:


Trump: "I’m not putting anybody on a moral plane. What I’m saying is this: You had a group on one side and you had a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs -- and it was vicious and it was horrible. And it was a horrible thing to watch.

"But there is another side. There was a group on this side. You can call them the left -- you just called them the left -- that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

You're proving me right again. It was a racist rally by the alt-right. he event was created, sponsored, promoted and attended by racists from various groups. So who where these "very fine people" on the right of whom Impeached Trump spoke? Was it the Proud Boys? The KKK? White nationalists? White Supremacists? Neo-nazis? Who??

They were people there to support their belief that statues should be left alone. Peaceful southern pride folks. They do exist.

Prove they were at that rally.... It was a racist rally by the alt-right. The event was created, sponsored, promoted, hosted and attended by racists from various racist groups.

I was not there. I am guessing that was the intel he received. I am a Jew, I know what they were chanting. I believe he should have been stronger in his denouncement.

You claim to be a Jew but here you are, claiming there were "very fine people" in that crowd.

Which ones were "very fine people?" Point them out...

I said he said there were other people there sans the white supremacists. If he is wrong then shame on him but the point is that he vilified the white supremacists there. His daughter and three grandchildren are Jewish. He is not an antisemite.

And I am Jewish, waste of life. Pay attention.

Great, quote him saying there were other people there...

Quote whom? Trump condemned the white supremacists and he said what is next George Washington? Guess what? George Washington was next. He was right. You're a snowflake. Poor waste of life, bested again.

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He didn't condemn the KKK or the Proud Boys or the NPI or skinheads, etc... So that's who he meant are very fine people. Thanks for clearing that up.

Trump can’t condemn white supremacist groups because although most conservatives might not condone the white supremacist message that white Americans are ‘superior,’ conservatives nonetheless support the nativist anti-immigrant theme advanced by white supremacists, the white grievance politics white supremacists groups also promote, and the wrongheaded notion that ‘white culture’ is ‘under attack,’ likewise fomented by white supremacist groups; for Trump to condemn white supremacists, therefore, is to risk alienating his base.

 

[rightwinger]

What did the moron say about health care what did he say stopping the virus ? The pos has nothing to say of any value Nothing outside of bashing smarter opponents Sort of like AH's here bashing faun and dragon lady Trump is a great teacher of BS

His healthcare “plan” was.......I eliminated the mandate