Official USMB Shutdown Showdown Thread --- Week of Jan 14th, 2019

[Hutch Starskey]

why not fund the wall and call it a day? you didn't care when billions went to other countries for support. why now? oh yeah TDS. keep it shutdown until the 5.7B makes it on a budget. we're cool with the government staying shutdown. are you? at some point someone will need to blink and it won't be trump.

BTW, the dems know what it will take to reopen the government and are doing nothing. and you don't care. it seems you don't care others are not getting paid.

The House Democrats have met their constitutional obligation.

nope, they haven't negotiated a budget. why not? they know the president isn't going to sign unless 5.7B is in there. what else are they gonna do? Just tell the citizens fk you we ain't giving that man money so fk you all? how mature.

They're obliged to fund the govt. They've passed spending bills that do just that.

They are not obliged to give a president what they want.

trump hasn't seen one of them. all the dems need to do is add 5.7B into the house bill, and 7 dems vote for it and send it back to the house for another vote. as long as the pres hasn't seen a bill, it isn't on him.

There is just one tiny problem with your theory!

No bill exists anymore. The House has to start from scratch.

The Dems passed a bill on day one, fool.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

...and....

Conservatives are conflicted. One commented that it has to be a lie because the official is anonymous, and the other said it just doesn’t matter.

why not fund the wall and call it a day? you didn't care when billions went to other countries for support. why now? oh yeah TDS. keep it shutdown until the 5.7B makes it on a budget. we're cool with the government staying shutdown. are you? at some point someone will need to blink and it won't be trump.

BTW, the dems know what it will take to reopen the government and are doing nothing. and you don't care. it seems you don't care others are not getting paid.

Yeah and they don't care about the billions the illegals cost we tax payers every year either.

Tell that to small businesses in heavy military and civil service employee's. They are beginning to suffer.

Military? No problems there. It is fully funded but you knew that. You just needed a convenient lie.

Except the Coast Guard of course.

 

[BS Filter]

Nancy Pelosi should hang herself in protest of the government shutdown.

 

[Lesh]

Trump has barricaded himself in the White House and has no idea or care about the damage his Shutdown is doing to the nation and its people

McConnell has to step up and do his job. Bring a bill to the floor of the Senate to open the government.

It's that simple.

Fuck Trump. He just doesn't care

 

[basquebromance]

Cocaine Mitch knows how to play the long game.. more than any of you understand

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

You want to do what to Trump? He is a happily married man. This shutdown is between the GOP and the Democrats over the 2020 election. McConnell will not go against the Republican President IMO.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Cocaine Mitch knows how to play the long game.. more than any of you understand

He is no Kamala. He is not even Ugandan.

 

[SmokeALib]

On McConnell? Why would he send Trump a bill he won't sign? Jeeezzz.

 

[ABikerSailor]

McConnell says that he doesn't want to waste his time sending a bill to Trump that he won't sign.

Guess McConnell forgot that if the Senate and the House pass the bill with a 2/3rds majority (and there is bipartisan support to reopen the government), it would be veto proof and we could reopen the government.

 

[Flopper]

The estimate was not intended to become public. It was just leaked.
Their previous estimate was 0.1% every two weeks.

"The Trump administration now estimates that the cost of the government shutdown will be twice as steep as originally forecast.
The original estimate that the partial shutdown would subtract 0.1 percentage point from growth every two weeks has now been doubled to a 0.1 percentage point subtraction every week, according to an official who asked not to be named."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/source-white-house-believes-shutdown-will-be-twice-as-costly.html‬

You would think that would scare the shit out of Trump and Congress but no, it will be just lead to more finger pointing.

I'm convinced the only thing that is going to break the stalemate is a real national emergency, such as a terrorist attack or a disaster linked to the goverment shutdown.

seems simple put in the five bucks into the budget and hand it to the pres to sign. seems rather simple. as long as playing partisan politics isn't your thing.

I think the right compromise would be to give Trump the amount of money that the projects will need in this fiscal year. That's what normally happens in a budget.

There is no way that he needs 5.8 billion this fiscal year. He certainly is not going to build his 235 miles of wall in 7 or 8 months, probably not during his term of office. During his first two years in office, Trump has not build a single mile of the new designed wall. He has replaced 40 miles of reinforced fences and a steel barrier built using the same design used 10 years ago. Construction has not started on any of the new wall sections, no land has been acquired, no contracts have been let, no land surveys have been done, and the thousands things that are needed to start a large federal project are still undone.

Trump would hate such a compromise and so would democrats which means it's probably a good compromise. However, we haven't reached the sufficient level of national pain yet for either side to consider a compromise.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Give him the 5 Billion, Gov opens.

 

[SmokeALib]

McConnell says that he doesn't want to waste his time sending a bill to Trump that he won't sign.

Guess McConnell forgot that if the Senate and the House pass the bill with a 2/3rds majority (and there is bipartisan support to reopen the government), it would be veto proof and we could reopen the government.

No way it passes the Senate.

 

[kyzr]

McConnell says that he doesn't want to waste his time sending a bill to Trump that he won't sign.

Guess McConnell forgot that if the Senate and the House pass the bill with a 2/3rds majority (and there is bipartisan support to reopen the government), it would be veto proof and we could reopen the government.

The GOP doesn't want to override Trump, they want the wall. The dems are not in charge of the government, they have 1/2 of 1/3 of the Federal government, so they need to compromise. If not Trump should call a national emergency.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

McConnell says that he doesn't want to waste his time sending a bill to Trump that he won't sign.

Guess McConnell forgot that if the Senate and the House pass the bill with a 2/3rds majority (and there is bipartisan support to reopen the government), it would be veto proof and we could reopen the government.

The Senate isn't going to pass it, let alone with a 2/3 majority ...why waste time on it?

 

[Oddball]

EHRMAHGERD!....The moonbats now begging McTurtle to do something!....After all these years on dumping on the putz!

Gawd, I hope this fake shutdown goes on, and on, and on, and on....It's producing some of the best tragicomedy we've seen since 9 Nov '16!

 

[Preacher]

Trump has barricaded himself in the White House and has no idea or care about the damage his Shutdown is doing to the nation and its people

McConnell has to step up and do his job. Bring a bill to the floor of the Senate to open the government.

It's that simple.

Fuck Trump. He just doesn't care

Leftist "leaders" were the ones who REFUSED to come to a meeting today to discuss a compromise...THEY are the only ones holding the government hostage...we ain't in no hurry to reopen it all...fuck it. Its running just fine on a smaller scale. Let's starve them out.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Trump should call a national emergency? For what? Illegal immigration is at its lowest point in 10 years.

And, drugs don't come across some faceless part of the border on the backs of illegals, they come via our regular ports of entry in trucks and cars, via paid drug mules, not some illegal immigrant they found in the caravan. Cartels like to know who they are dealing with, as well as who the mules family is, so that if the shipment doesn't make it, they can go after the person who did the transport. And, those immigrants won't know much about the USA, so how the hell would they know where to take the drugs?

Fentanyl doesn't come from Mexico, it's made in China, and comes here via planes and seaports.

As far as terrorists crossing the southern border? Out of the over 3,700 people they caught trying to enter the country who were on a suspected or terrorist watch list, only TWELVE of them crossed the southern border. The rest of them flew in on airplanes.

So, I ask again, what crisis is there on the southern border? Don't believe the hype, because Trump is conning you yet again.

 

[DGS49]

Don't spending bills have to originate in the House of Representatives?

Hmmm.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

McConnell says that he doesn't want to waste his time sending a bill to Trump that he won't sign.

Guess McConnell forgot that if the Senate and the House pass the bill with a 2/3rds majority (and there is bipartisan support to reopen the government), it would be veto proof and we could reopen the government.

The GOP doesn't want to override Trump, they want the wall. The dems are not in charge of the government, they have 1/2 of 1/3 of the Federal government, so they need to compromise. If not Trump should call a national emergency.

The GOP doesn't want to override Trump, they want the wall.

As evidenced in the last two years.

House Republicans’ bad faith push to pass immigration reform is dead

 

[Oddball]

Trump has barricaded himself in the White House and has no idea or care about the damage his Shutdown is doing to the nation and its people

McConnell has to step up and do his job. Bring a bill to the floor of the Senate to open the government.

It's that simple.

Fuck Trump. He just doesn't care

Well, looks like we'll have to cut short his nice sun tanning vacation in Puerto Rico, wining and dining with all the lobbyists and gubmint contractors.

Oh, wait....