Official USMB What is a Wall? Why a Wall?

[Globalist]

Drugs and illegals come across the boarder by the millions and by the ton.

You must be "forgiven" for both your spelling AND ignorance, since you must be a Trump cult member.....but, here, learn something

DEA says 'vast majority' of drugs entering US come through legal ports of entry...

The realization cartels w/millions to spend could find elaborate ways to smuggle seems to evade the wall obsessed.....~S~

They live in another world, a world where a wall will magically solve all of their issues. Facts be damned!

 

[candycorn]

Really its not true.
There are betwwen 12 million and 20 million illegals in the nation .

And only a complete moron would claim drugs by the ton dont come across the boarder.

So either your lying or are a moron

Illegal drugs coming over the border by the ton?

Which drugs are those….?

 

[McRocket]

Pretty simple in places you can basically walk across it.
Walls work in other nations and in prisons.

Drugs and illegals come across the boarder by the millions and by the ton.

A wall will affect this and slow down both.
Nothing wrong with slowing down the influx of either

And please provide your links to unbiased sources that proves that these 'millions' of people and 'tons' of drugs come over the border - every year - at places OTHER THAN points of entry/airports/seaports?

 

[sparky]

The irony here is, we would have far less immigration probelms if we simply enforced the laws we already have

~S~

 

[DigitalDrifter]

And as you can see from the posts, Dims and or libs simply do not care whether our borders are secured or not. They fight night and day to downplay any news concerning illegal immigration.
Dims of today see no difference between an illegal and an American citizen. They are preparing us for a future where taxpayers pay the healthcare costs of anyone who can reach our borders.
If you vote for a Dimocrat at any level of government, this is what you're going to get.

 

[sparky]

And as you can see from the posts, Dims and or libs simply do not care whether our borders are secured or not. They fight night and day to downplay any news concerning illegal immigration.
Dims of today see no difference between an illegal and an American citizen. They are preparing us for a future where taxpayers pay the healthcare costs of anyone who can reach our borders.
If you vote for a Dimocrat at any level of government, this is what you're going to get.

and so confronting daca and naturalization laws would instantly be effective , cost a pen and a pad of official paper vs. $6 bil

also takes the dems voter base away

so.....WHY isn't this on the table?

~S~

 

[Correll]

Just because you say they are fundamentally opposed to border security doesn’t make that true. It actually goes against the facts. The easiest example would be to point to last years budget where Dems approved a $1.3 billion budget specifically for border security.

True.....but if Trump, Limbaugh, Coulter and Hannity told this poster that he/she MUST believe that stupid assertion.....what is a cult member to do???

The reason you need to dismiss the arguments of your political enemies,


is because you can't refute them based on any real reasons.


Everyone can see that, including yourself.


That you are an ass about it, is just because you are an ass.

 

[Moonglow]

I would gladly do that. The illegals have almost nothing to do with illegal drugs. That is on those who choose to engage in the act.

And the cartels are willing to kill thousands to get those drugs across the border.

The drugs are not coming across the border on foot in the middle of no where...

as said before, most illegal drugs are coming in through our legal border crossings, in hidden compartments in cars and hidden in Truck shipments of legal goods...

And they are mostly coming in through our ports, and the opiods from China are coming in through the US MAIL.

we need the money to supply more scanners to those legal port of entries....

and maybe even for tunnel detecting technology.... having the 700 miles of walls already built has only led to tunnels by the traffickers being built under them.... and drones being used to get them over the walls....

this whole issue, (as an old friend Boss/Dixie used to say) is deeper than (pie) pastry!

So your saying all those pictures and videos on larado Bordertown are fake

Laredo Tx or Neuve Laredo, Mexico?

Really you have to ask

Yes, si.

 

[Moonglow]

And as you can see from the posts, Dims and or libs simply do not care whether our borders are secured or not. They fight night and day to downplay any news concerning illegal immigration.
Dims of today see no difference between an illegal and an American citizen. They are preparing us for a future where taxpayers pay the healthcare costs of anyone who can reach our borders.
If you vote for a Dimocrat at any level of government, this is what you're going to get.

The so called future you I vision is a law passed in the 1980’s where no on in the US can be denied medical services. With no changes to the law anyone can still get medical treatment, no wall will stop it, so your rhetoric fails.

 

[Correll]

NOpe. Obama is not the notorious big mouth that Trump is. That claim on his seemed very serious, and was used to sell a very important policy.

Are you joking? You know what it sounds like you’re saying... it sounds like your saying that Obama was a serious politician whose campaign rhetoric should be taken seriously, so when he said keep your doctors and plans and that didn’t happen it is a LIE. Since Trump is a notorious big mouth who carelessly uses hyperbole then he doesn’t need to be held accountable for the things he promises.

Do you see the hypocrisy and how silly that sounds?

Trump's use of hyperbole, and the way it confuses some people but not others, was extensively discussed during the campaign.


YOu are acting like you have not considered this issue before.


That is not credible.

I consider hyperbole from the president of the United States to be the same thing as propaganda. That office and running for that office should hold higher standards. Obama should have been held accountable for the doctor plan promise and Trump should be held accountable for the Mexico will pay for it promise, amoungst the many other “hyperbolized” promises he made. You shouldn’t be making excuses and accepting that shit as par for the course. IMO

1. Hyperbole and propaganda are two distinct forms of communication. They can overlap, but pretending that they are the same, is, ironically, as dishonest as you are claiming that Trump is.

2. You believe that the Office of the President should be held to a "higher standard" that does not include regular use of hyperbole. That is a fine opinion. The nation as a whole, disagreed when they elected Trump. Your disagreement with US, does not change the fact that hyperbole is part of Trump's communication style.

3. I agree that Obama should have been held accountable for his lie on the doctor plan.

4. Trump, imo, should be held accountable he makes a strong, very strong, good faith effort to build a Wall, or a "wall" that is highly effective in vastly reducing the number of illegal border crossings.


5. Making Mexico pay, always struck me as far less of a serious commitment. I don't know how to explain to you how to distinguish between the two, but trust me on this. Though I would love it, if he did manage it.

First off, just because somebody is elected does not mean the majority of America accepts and supports everything that they do. There were two choices to choose from. Two horrible choices if you ask me.

Second, couldn’t I say the same thing about Obama that you are saying about Trump? He just wanted to fix our healthcare system so more people would be covered so he did everything he could to move the ball.... see, same argument

Lastly, please explain the difference between Trumps hyperbole and propaganda, cause I don’t see a difference.

1. Trump's hyperbole is part of the political landscape for now. You can dislike it all you want, but don't pretend to not know that.


2. Having a good reason to lie, is not the same as knowing that you are know for using hyperbole, and using hyperbole. It is not the same thing. Pretending it is, is not reasonable.

3. Sure, propaganda is information used to promote a particular cause or point of view. Hyperbole is exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally. Propaganda can be true, and good, while hyperbole can be used to make a completely true point. If you tell your wife that your love for her is deeper than the ocean, that is not a literal statement, but the point that it makes, ie, that you love her a lot, could very well be true.

Propaganda is defined more by WHAT the goal of a statement is, while hyperbole is more about style.


It is strange that I have to explain this.

 

[Correll]

The Goal is a policy the protects and advances American interests.


If one side of the political divide is against that, then "Unity" would be a bad thing, as we have to compromise with people who want policies that are bad for America.

If the goal is to improve border security then you need unity and collaboration to get there. When you demonize the people you need to get legislation passed and when you brand your campaign in a way that goes against your political opponents values then you aren’t going to get anywhere.

But one side is fundamentally opposed to border security. Unity and collaboration will not get US there, no matter what.


And telling the truth about someone, is not demonizing them.

Just because you say they are fundamentally opposed to border security doesn’t make that true. It actually goes against the facts. The easiest example would be to point to last years budget where Dems approved a $1.3 billion budget specifically for border security.

Correct, it is not my words that make it true. It is their actions.


Like their opposition to the Wall. Their support of Amnesty for the millions already here. The calls to abolish ICE the agency responsible for border security. Their fighting any attempts by border states to help secure the border. Thier calling ICE, fascists and/or racist, ect. Their open ended arguments against controlling immigration, that if taken seriously would apply to billions. The hate they show to their fellow Americans who dare want their interests put ahead of citizens of foreign nations, in the context of American government policy. The way that they support sanctuary cities that side with illegals vs their own federal government.


For starters, off the top of my head.

Those are partisan talking points and not laying out all the facts in an objective way. The fact that they allocated 1.3 billion dollars last year for border security kills your argument that they are fundamentally against border security. They may support different ways of getting the job done. They may not place the same urgency and importance on the same things as you. They may have a different overall message that they want to push “welcome” vs “keep out”. But your statement is just not accurate

1. Calling my listing of their actions, "partisan talking points" in no way disputes or refutes any of them. All my points stand.

2. The fact that they allocated 1.3 for border security last year, could be seen as contrary evidence to my argument, is certainly does not "kill it".

Another more plausible explanation for the contradiction, is that they threw some money at the problem to give themselves some political cover, because they know that their real policy goals are terrible for the American people,and they want to hide that fact.


3. "Welcome" vs "Keep out" is being for an open border. We have an immigration process, and it is not supposed to be done by giving people the option of just walking across the border.


4. My statement is far more accurate than yours.

 

[Redfish]

Trump never said that Mexico would write us a check or send a pallet of money to pay for the wall. It was always an indirect payment resulting from improved trade deals.

Wow! You are like a character right out of Orwell! You have already forgotten what Big Brother said in the recent past and now parrot the new party line.


This is amazing. Truly, truly amazing. How do you inflict amnesia on yourself like that? I honestly want to know. I am not kidding. How do you do that?


The answer to that question would give some great insight into how Trump’s rubes continually fail to see they have been massively hoaxed on several issues several times.



The original claim by Trump was that the payment was going to be a direct reimbursement or by cutting off remittances by illegals.


See for yourself: Memo explains how Donald Trump plans to pay for border wall


Right there on day 3, prole. A demand for a direct contribution by Mexico to pay for the wall.


The trade deal thing is a recent addition to Trump's horseshit. Trump clearly implied in his original claims that Mexico would indeed make a direct payment for the wall.



And trade deals won't pay for the wall. That's a hoax, too. He's counting on your stupidity and gullibility.


Analysis | President Trump’s nonsensical claim that Mexico is paying for the wall

But on pallets of money-------------------where did Obama get the 150 billion that he shipped to Iran? Did congress vote on that?

Nice red herrring. I guess that's why you call yourself Redfish, eh?

How are you so ignorant of the facts? Seriously.

You can catch up here: Analysis | Was Obama’s $1.7 billion cash deal with Iran prohibited by U.S. law?

I find it amazing that you continue to remain uninformed and post bullshit from the Wash post and Huff puff as legitimate sources of data. You are brainwashed, you are exactly what the deep state establishment needs, willing idiots who, like sheep, obey and worship their handlers because they give you free stuff. As to Orwell, he saw it coming and wrote about it, as did Rand. They were right, its happening today and morons like you are allowing it.

Lets understand a few things:

1. the dems want illegals in this country because they see them as their only voting base that will keep them in power
2. the dems voted for a wall twice before Trump came into office
3. they only object to it now in order to grab a talking point for 2020 that Trump failed to deliver on the wall
4. Schumer and Pelosi are the most corrupt disingenuous people ever to represent either party
5. the dems are being split into the Pelosi/Schumer camp, and the socialist/muslim camp. they are destroying themselves
6. the party of Truman and Kennedy died when the Kenyan was elected

You claimed, "Trump never said that Mexico would write us a check or send a pallet of money to pay for the wall. It was always an indirect payment resulting from improved trade deals."

That was a total lie. Period.

You went full Orwell.

I guess you need your nose rubbed in it: Memo explains how Donald Trump plans to pay for border wall

That's not Huffpo. That's not Wapo.

That's Trump himself.

On Day 3, he was going to make Mexico contribute money for the wall.


Dipshit.

How do you manage to inflict such Orwellian amnesia on yourself? I am honestly curious.

first of all that is from WaPo, secondly, do you understand the meaning of the word "if" in the third bullet of the memo? " If" does not mean "will".

Now that you have confirmed that you are the dipshit in this discussion would you care to admit that you have been lying all along? or, is your dipshitishness a life long unchangeable condition?

 

[Redfish]

Trump never said that Mexico would write us a check or send a pallet of money to pay for the wall. It was always an indirect payment resulting from improved trade deals.

Wow! You are like a character right out of Orwell! You have already forgotten what Big Brother said in the recent past and now parrot the new party line.


This is amazing. Truly, truly amazing. How do you inflict amnesia on yourself like that? I honestly want to know. I am not kidding. How do you do that?


The answer to that question would give some great insight into how Trump’s rubes continually fail to see they have been massively hoaxed on several issues several times.



The original claim by Trump was that the payment was going to be a direct reimbursement or by cutting off remittances by illegals.


See for yourself: Memo explains how Donald Trump plans to pay for border wall


Right there on day 3, prole. A demand for a direct contribution by Mexico to pay for the wall.


The trade deal thing is a recent addition to Trump's horseshit. Trump clearly implied in his original claims that Mexico would indeed make a direct payment for the wall.



And trade deals won't pay for the wall. That's a hoax, too. He's counting on your stupidity and gullibility.


Analysis | President Trump’s nonsensical claim that Mexico is paying for the wall

But on pallets of money-------------------where did Obama get the 150 billion that he shipped to Iran? Did congress vote on that?

Nice red herrring. I guess that's why you call yourself Redfish, eh?

How are you so ignorant of the facts? Seriously.

You can catch up here: Analysis | Was Obama’s $1.7 billion cash deal with Iran prohibited by U.S. law?

I find it amazing that you continue to remain uninformed and post bullshit from the Wash post and Huff puff as legitimate sources of data. You are brainwashed, you are exactly what the deep state establishment needs, willing idiots who, like sheep, obey and worship their handlers because they give you free stuff. As to Orwell, he saw it coming and wrote about it, as did Rand. They were right, its happening today and morons like you are allowing it.

Lets understand a few things:

1. the dems want illegals in this country because they see them as their only voting base that will keep them in power
2. the dems voted for a wall twice before Trump came into office
3. they only object to it now in order to grab a talking point for 2020 that Trump failed to deliver on the wall
4. Schumer and Pelosi are the most corrupt disingenuous people ever to represent either party
5. the dems are being split into the Pelosi/Schumer camp, and the socialist/muslim camp. they are destroying themselves
6. the party of Truman and Kennedy died when the Kenyan was elected

gnat thinks this list is funny, as usual for our resident libs, when they cannot refute something they post a smiley face and run away.

come on gnat, tell us which of the 6 is incorrect, or you could just improve this message board and leave permanently.

 

[BlackFlag]

Ouch. Or not...

Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

Steel prototype for border wall cut through with saw, photo shows

 

[Correll]

So, make it better. That is what testing is for, to identify and fix problems.

 

[Crepitus]

Ouch. Or not...

Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

Steel prototype for border wall cut through with saw, photo shows

 

[iamwhatiseem]

And once again the liberal spin is in full vigor.
There is no such thing as an invulnerable-impenetrable fence without costing 100 times more.
At the bottom of the story it shows where they say a fence is not meant to be impenetrable, but a deterrent. Same with your own home.

 

[BlackFlag]

And once again the liberal spin is in full vigor.
There is no such thing as an invulnerable-impenetrable fence without costing 100 times more.
At the bottom of the story it shows where they say a fence is not meant to be impenetrable, but a deterrent. Same with your own home.

Advocate for an actual solution then, simpleton

 

[depotoo]

Yet, that is the prototype the left insists upon. I wonder why...

Ouch. Or not...

Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

Steel prototype for border wall cut through with saw, photo shows

 

[pismoe]

slats are ok as it works i ASSUME although i or nobody else has Posted Specs Just fill up the Border with Border Patrol or Military , Drones , Sensors and it'll be ok .