justoffal
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Greenland ice melting from below
In the decade long posting wars on the net over the potential harm that man made co2 and other greenhouse gasses can have on our future I have never failed to notice that those who push the angle constantly ignore the numerous exculpatory inputs even though they are very well aware of them. Why I wonder? Notice the date on the Article. Have you seen a single lefty bring this article to the board? NO! Why not? Because it doesn't carry water and therefore must be suppresed and certainly never mentioned! This is very telling.
I have never had any hard and fast position on this issue except that I believe humankind will move beyond hydrocarbon combustion long before we have any climate emergencies generated by Anthropocentric or Anthropogenic causes. AGW advocates disagree and have been running about like an army of chicken littles screaming that we must throw our wallets at the feet of the Green gods to save our planet. Typical scam with all the earmarks of a scam. Problem first, money needed second, thirdly..... all of the righteous reasons in the world why YOU should part with your money. You find this kind of confidence BS on every street corner in NY city and lately in your email boxes too.
There is no cause to call down hard working climate scientists who in their endeavors have contributed much to our basic understanding of our climate and climate history but to call this debate settled is nonsense in the extreme. Unfortunately this argument has left the bounds of honest science and has now become an agenda biased discovery mission, an answer in search of a question instead of the other way around. Those who are not on board are routinely treated with the disrespect, name calling and ostracism that is a common tool of left wing thinkers. Read up on LYSENKOISM ....this is important because it has been revived in our modern Politico-scientific community today.
Now let me be clear about my position. I steadfastly believe that we are better off without hydrocarbon combustion and dirty smokestacks but I have never seen any evidence that our current technologies are not sufficient to deal with our perceived pollution problems. There are many good technologies for stack scrubbing that are simply being ignored as barriers to the noble lie. That lie being once again that we are in a climate emergency. Hogwash. Progress is being made on many fronts for abundant, cheap and reliable sources of electricity and I predict that hydrocarbon combustion will pass out of use before 2040.....but that's not good enough for Green CEO's that want to make that big killing on your wallet right now and so they have fielded an army of Lysenkovites ( a JO trademarked word ) to jam the idea up your ass, in your ears and through your skull by insisting that you are simply too stupid to know anything at all.
Rather than to consider alternative sources of heat energy AGW enthusiasts begin with an absolute belief ( this is not scientific method btw and never was ) and then work fastidiously to find a way around all exculpatory input. This is not the subjective honesty of science it is the Agenda-bias of politics....plain and simple.
A list of things that AGW Lysenkovites have claimed to debunk but in truth have not even so much as scratched the surface of yet. Why I wonder?
1.) Varying cosmic inputs along the Herculean path as we perambulate through the milky way once every 200 million years or so. This alone is an entire mountain of new and uninvestigated possibilities that are totally ignored or pooh-poohed by the Lysenkovites.
2.) The variety of solar inputs that have continued to be revealed as we learn more and more about our own personal star next door only eight minutes up the street as far the light-crow flies!
3.) The Gradually shifting gravity field of our own moon that is moving away from us about one inch per year. Sounds like almost nothing but in cosmic terms it's actually huge. We are told that it is inconsequential. Funny how the Lysenkovites get to choose what is inconsequential and what is not. Hey here's a clue.....they can't make any money off of the moon thing so it's back to calling you stupid for even mentioning it.
4.)....
Well What's the use? The list could climb to one hundred and it wouldn't make a dent.
" One convinced against his will is of the same opinion still "...... good to remember. Saves time.
So to date here is my position:
1.) There's no doubt that smokestacks and humankind are part of the equation. So whaddya going to do about it? Kill off the human race??? Please go away. The earth is here for us and not the other way around.
2.) Hydrocarbon combustion will go away soon enough on its own...there is no real emergency despite all of the Chicken little cries.
3.) Agenda Bias has been demonstrated time and again with the left and the AGW worshipers who want you to believe that you are just too stupid and that you MUST give up your wallet or we will all die a horrible death on a planet of flames! Funny how the Wallet always makes it into the equation isn't it?
4.) I look forward to the next step in energy supply technologies. They should be much, much less expensive than our current supplies with TOKAMAK promising to be as cheap as 1 penny per Kwh!
NOT WHAT THE GREEN CEO'S WANT TO HEAR BTW.
In the mean time be prepared to be called many different kinds of names by the screaming Lysenkovites that infer you are not intelligent and that you have no peer reviewed standing and threfore must sit down, shut up and open your wallet. Oh and right around the corner get ready to loose your freedom over your failure to believe them.
Good luck lefty......people are on to your scam.
JO
In the decade long posting wars on the net over the potential harm that man made co2 and other greenhouse gasses can have on our future I have never failed to notice that those who push the angle constantly ignore the numerous exculpatory inputs even though they are very well aware of them. Why I wonder? Notice the date on the Article. Have you seen a single lefty bring this article to the board? NO! Why not? Because it doesn't carry water and therefore must be suppresed and certainly never mentioned! This is very telling.
I have never had any hard and fast position on this issue except that I believe humankind will move beyond hydrocarbon combustion long before we have any climate emergencies generated by Anthropocentric or Anthropogenic causes. AGW advocates disagree and have been running about like an army of chicken littles screaming that we must throw our wallets at the feet of the Green gods to save our planet. Typical scam with all the earmarks of a scam. Problem first, money needed second, thirdly..... all of the righteous reasons in the world why YOU should part with your money. You find this kind of confidence BS on every street corner in NY city and lately in your email boxes too.
There is no cause to call down hard working climate scientists who in their endeavors have contributed much to our basic understanding of our climate and climate history but to call this debate settled is nonsense in the extreme. Unfortunately this argument has left the bounds of honest science and has now become an agenda biased discovery mission, an answer in search of a question instead of the other way around. Those who are not on board are routinely treated with the disrespect, name calling and ostracism that is a common tool of left wing thinkers. Read up on LYSENKOISM ....this is important because it has been revived in our modern Politico-scientific community today.
Now let me be clear about my position. I steadfastly believe that we are better off without hydrocarbon combustion and dirty smokestacks but I have never seen any evidence that our current technologies are not sufficient to deal with our perceived pollution problems. There are many good technologies for stack scrubbing that are simply being ignored as barriers to the noble lie. That lie being once again that we are in a climate emergency. Hogwash. Progress is being made on many fronts for abundant, cheap and reliable sources of electricity and I predict that hydrocarbon combustion will pass out of use before 2040.....but that's not good enough for Green CEO's that want to make that big killing on your wallet right now and so they have fielded an army of Lysenkovites ( a JO trademarked word ) to jam the idea up your ass, in your ears and through your skull by insisting that you are simply too stupid to know anything at all.
Rather than to consider alternative sources of heat energy AGW enthusiasts begin with an absolute belief ( this is not scientific method btw and never was ) and then work fastidiously to find a way around all exculpatory input. This is not the subjective honesty of science it is the Agenda-bias of politics....plain and simple.
A list of things that AGW Lysenkovites have claimed to debunk but in truth have not even so much as scratched the surface of yet. Why I wonder?
1.) Varying cosmic inputs along the Herculean path as we perambulate through the milky way once every 200 million years or so. This alone is an entire mountain of new and uninvestigated possibilities that are totally ignored or pooh-poohed by the Lysenkovites.
2.) The variety of solar inputs that have continued to be revealed as we learn more and more about our own personal star next door only eight minutes up the street as far the light-crow flies!
3.) The Gradually shifting gravity field of our own moon that is moving away from us about one inch per year. Sounds like almost nothing but in cosmic terms it's actually huge. We are told that it is inconsequential. Funny how the Lysenkovites get to choose what is inconsequential and what is not. Hey here's a clue.....they can't make any money off of the moon thing so it's back to calling you stupid for even mentioning it.
4.)....
Well What's the use? The list could climb to one hundred and it wouldn't make a dent.
" One convinced against his will is of the same opinion still "...... good to remember. Saves time.
So to date here is my position:
1.) There's no doubt that smokestacks and humankind are part of the equation. So whaddya going to do about it? Kill off the human race??? Please go away. The earth is here for us and not the other way around.
2.) Hydrocarbon combustion will go away soon enough on its own...there is no real emergency despite all of the Chicken little cries.
3.) Agenda Bias has been demonstrated time and again with the left and the AGW worshipers who want you to believe that you are just too stupid and that you MUST give up your wallet or we will all die a horrible death on a planet of flames! Funny how the Wallet always makes it into the equation isn't it?
4.) I look forward to the next step in energy supply technologies. They should be much, much less expensive than our current supplies with TOKAMAK promising to be as cheap as 1 penny per Kwh!
NOT WHAT THE GREEN CEO'S WANT TO HEAR BTW.
In the mean time be prepared to be called many different kinds of names by the screaming Lysenkovites that infer you are not intelligent and that you have no peer reviewed standing and threfore must sit down, shut up and open your wallet. Oh and right around the corner get ready to loose your freedom over your failure to believe them.
Good luck lefty......people are on to your scam.
JO
Nobody cares about global warming in 2014.
