Once again, spending is way down under a Democratic President

[Soggy in NOLA]

Oh whatever... Obama has given us $6,000,000,000,000+ in new debt in under 5 years.

Oh, but yes, spending is down.

 

[Brain357]

OK, lets see now. the national debt was around 9T when obama took office, today it is around 17T. almost doubled in less than 5 years. all previous presidents created a debt of 9T and now under obama it has gone up to 17T.

yes, GOP presidents have engaged in deficit spending, but obama has created an entire new definition of deficit spending.

this is an undeniable FACT. spin as you wish, obama is the worst president in history.

Bush was handed a balanced budget and made a disaster of it. Obama was handed 2 wars, slow economy, and huge deficits. Bush was supposed to be small government conservative. What a joke. Liberals at least don't run on small gov.

Lies. Bush was elected to a dot.com bust. Democrats in congress voted for war in the ME. Then the turn coat democrats ran against the WAR they were for to get full control of congress. Then the DEMOCRATS RAN UP THE SPENDING. Then Obama voted for and promoted the largest deficit budget spending in the HISTORY OF MANKIND. Then Obama promoted illegal immigration, offshoring of our jobs, inshoring of workers, welfare programs are being used by more people than ever in history. Half the democrats in this country are pretending to be disabled. Bush.. yeah he was a DEMOCRAT PRETENDING TO BE A CONSERVATIVE alright.. and how is that supposed to be evidence that democrat spending is better than conservative values?

It's evidence that voting republican does not get you less spending. They obviously care not at all for conservative values.

 

[RKMBrown]

Bush was not a conservative and neither is Obama or Hillary. Rubio is.

 

[Brain357]

wrong again, the congress authorized and FUNDED the Iraq and Afghanistan fiascos. They were both stupid wastes of lives and money, but CONGRESS allowed Bush to get us into them-----everyone is responsible, to put it all on Bush is to ignore history.

To ignore he was the main pusher to go to war is just stupid.

really, have you looked into the actions of the UN? have you looked at what both clintons said about it?, how about ted kennedy? yes, bush pushed it and it was a mistake.

What the fuck does any of that have to do with obama and the current state of our govt spending.

you libs always try to deflect from the real issues by bring up Boooooosh.

grow up and try to debate what the current president is doing to us.

Liberals didn't vote for Obama expecting him to not spend. It shouldn't be surprising to anyone. But when a republican is elected is should counter the years of spending. Instead the republicans have been spending. Reagan spent, Bush spent, Clinton pulled back spending, Bush spent... It should be the opposite. So this debt problem is to blame on the Republicans! Nobody votes for a democrat expecting low spending, the republicans are supposed to be small government. They have no problem running on it, but then do nothing to back it up. Wake up.

 

[Redfish]

Bush was handed a balanced budget and made a disaster of it. Obama was handed 2 wars, slow economy, and huge deficits. Bush was supposed to be small government conservative. What a joke. Liberals at least don't run on small gov.

Lies. Bush was elected to a dot.com bust. Democrats in congress voted for war in the ME. Then the turn coat democrats ran against the WAR they were for to get full control of congress. Then the DEMOCRATS RAN UP THE SPENDING. Then Obama voted for and promoted the largest deficit budget spending in the HISTORY OF MANKIND. Then Obama promoted illegal immigration, offshoring of our jobs, inshoring of workers, welfare programs are being used by more people than ever in history. Half the democrats in this country are pretending to be disabled. Bush.. yeah he was a DEMOCRAT PRETENDING TO BE A CONSERVATIVE alright.. and how is that supposed to be evidence that democrat spending is better than conservative values?

It's evidence that voting republican does not get you less spending. They obviously care not at all for conservative values.

damn you people are thick headed--------its not dem or rep--------its liberalism that is the problem no matter which party is practicing it. Deficit spending is damaging no matter who does it. what we are debating is which party did more deficit spending--and the answer is the dems, because of what obama has done in the last 4+ years.

GOP does NOT automatically equal conservative.

 

[edthecynic]

The Republicans controlled the Presidency and the Congress from 2001 to 2007.

That's when the wars started, that's when the taxes were cut, that's when spending increased every single year, that's when triple digit deficits came back.

That is mostly correct, though the Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in 2007 after the elections of 2006. But, your obsessive need to lay the blame at the feet of the President is the issue. The President can ask, beg or even command, but it's all irrelevant. The true blame is with Congress.

Bullshit! Bush had veto power and the GOP had filibuster power!

As an example, in 2007 the Dems wanted to raise the minimum wage, Bush threatened a veto if he didn't get more tax cuts. The Dems tried to pass it without Bush's tax cuts but failed to get the 60 votes to beat the GOP filibuster. Since they could not get the 60 votes to beat a GOP filibuster they would not have the 67 votes to beat a Bush veto. So Bush got the tax cuts he demanded as the price for raising the minimum wage. Bush and the GOP controled everything that happened in 2007 and 2008.

 

[RKMBrown]

Lies. Bush was elected to a dot.com bust. Democrats in congress voted for war in the ME. Then the turn coat democrats ran against the WAR they were for to get full control of congress. Then the DEMOCRATS RAN UP THE SPENDING. Then Obama voted for and promoted the largest deficit budget spending in the HISTORY OF MANKIND. Then Obama promoted illegal immigration, offshoring of our jobs, inshoring of workers, welfare programs are being used by more people than ever in history. Half the democrats in this country are pretending to be disabled. Bush.. yeah he was a DEMOCRAT PRETENDING TO BE A CONSERVATIVE alright.. and how is that supposed to be evidence that democrat spending is better than conservative values?

It's evidence that voting republican does not get you less spending. They obviously care not at all for conservative values.

damn you people are thick headed--------its not dem or rep--------its liberalism that is the problem no matter which party is practicing it. Deficit spending is damaging no matter who does it. what we are debating is which party did more deficit spending--and the answer is the dems, because of what obama has done in the last 4+ years.

GOP does NOT automatically equal conservative.

AYUP electing the "left most" republicans in the primaries has resulted in RHINO presidents and candidates. The left are doing very well screwing with the republicans in the primaries by putting one democrat to beat 10 conservatives through the media circus.

 

[Redfish]

The Republicans controlled the Presidency and the Congress from 2001 to 2007.

That's when the wars started, that's when the taxes were cut, that's when spending increased every single year, that's when triple digit deficits came back.

That is mostly correct, though the Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in 2007 after the elections of 2006. But, your obsessive need to lay the blame at the feet of the President is the issue. The President can ask, beg or even command, but it's all irrelevant. The true blame is with Congress.

Bullshit! Bush had veto power and the GOP had filibuster power!

As an example, in 2007 the Dems wanted to raise the minimum wage, Bush threatened a veto if he didn't get more tax cuts. The Dems tried to pass it without Bush's tax cuts but failed to get the 60 votes to beat the GOP filibuster. So Bush got the tax cuts he demanded as the price for raising the minimum wage. Bush and the GOP controled everything that happened in 2007 and 2008.

thats the way its supposed to work---checks and balances----trade offs and compromises.

sometimes things work and sometimes they don't.

would you prefer a dictatorship?

 

[RKMBrown]

The Republicans controlled the Presidency and the Congress from 2001 to 2007.

That's when the wars started, that's when the taxes were cut, that's when spending increased every single year, that's when triple digit deficits came back.

That is mostly correct, though the Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in 2007 after the elections of 2006. But, your obsessive need to lay the blame at the feet of the President is the issue. The President can ask, beg or even command, but it's all irrelevant. The true blame is with Congress.

Bullshit! Bush had veto power and the GOP had filibuster power!

As an example, in 2007 the Dems wanted to raise the minimum wage, Bush threatened a veto if he didn't get more tax cuts. The Dems tried to pass it without Bush's tax cuts but failed to get the 60 votes to beat the GOP filibuster. So Bush got the tax cuts he demanded as the price for raising the minimum wage. Bush and the GOP controled everything that happened in 2007 and 2008.

Bush was the most liberal TX governor in history.

 

[Redfish]

It's evidence that voting republican does not get you less spending. They obviously care not at all for conservative values.

damn you people are thick headed--------its not dem or rep--------its liberalism that is the problem no matter which party is practicing it. Deficit spending is damaging no matter who does it. what we are debating is which party did more deficit spending--and the answer is the dems, because of what obama has done in the last 4+ years.

GOP does NOT automatically equal conservative.

AYUP electing the "left most" republicans in the primaries has resulted in RHINO presidents and candidates. The left are doing very well screwing with the republicans in the primaries by putting one democrat to beat 10 conservatives through the media circus.

in the last few election cycles the dems have been better at the politics of it----having the media on their side is a huge benefit.

 

[edthecynic]

That is mostly correct, though the Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in 2007 after the elections of 2006. But, your obsessive need to lay the blame at the feet of the President is the issue. The President can ask, beg or even command, but it's all irrelevant. The true blame is with Congress.

Bullshit! Bush had veto power and the GOP had filibuster power!

As an example, in 2007 the Dems wanted to raise the minimum wage, Bush threatened a veto if he didn't get more tax cuts. The Dems tried to pass it without Bush's tax cuts but failed to get the 60 votes to beat the GOP filibuster. So Bush got the tax cuts he demanded as the price for raising the minimum wage. Bush and the GOP controled everything that happened in 2007 and 2008.

thats the way its supposed to work---checks and balances----trade offs and compromises.

sometimes things work and sometimes they don't.

would you prefer a dictatorship?

So you admit that Bush was not "irrelevent" once the Dems took control of Congress in 2007.
Thank you.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit! Bush had veto power and the GOP had filibuster power!

As an example, in 2007 the Dems wanted to raise the minimum wage, Bush threatened a veto if he didn't get more tax cuts. The Dems tried to pass it without Bush's tax cuts but failed to get the 60 votes to beat the GOP filibuster. So Bush got the tax cuts he demanded as the price for raising the minimum wage. Bush and the GOP controled everything that happened in 2007 and 2008.

thats the way its supposed to work---checks and balances----trade offs and compromises.

sometimes things work and sometimes they don't.

would you prefer a dictatorship?

So you admit that Bush was not "irrelevent" once the Dems took control of Congress in 2007.
Thank you.

I never said he was. I was taking issue with your allegation that he went into Iraq and Afghanistan totally on his own and spent the money totally on his own.

When the truth is that both parties in congress supported and funded that idiocy and continue to do so today.

we are sending our kids over to those hellholes to get blown up for NOTHING. It is fucking lunacy, almost as bad as Kennedy and Johnson in fricken viet nam.

 

[edthecynic]

thats the way its supposed to work---checks and balances----trade offs and compromises.

sometimes things work and sometimes they don't.

would you prefer a dictatorship?

So you admit that Bush was not "irrelevent" once the Dems took control of Congress in 2007.
Thank you.

I never said he was. I was taking issue with your allegation that he went into Iraq and Afghanistan totally on his own and spent the money totally on his own.

When the truth is that both parties in congress supported and funded that idiocy and continue to do so today.

we are sending our kids over to those hellholes to get blown up for NOTHING. It is fucking lunacy, almost as bad as Kennedy and Johnson in fricken viet nam.

I made no such allegation! I replied to the poster who said that Bush was irrelevent after the Dems took over in 2007, a common claim of the Right to absolve Bush of any blame for anything that happened fron Jan 2007 on.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The Republicans controlled the Presidency and the Congress from 2001 to 2007.

That's when the wars started, that's when the taxes were cut, that's when spending increased every single year, that's when triple digit deficits came back.

That is mostly correct, though the Democrats took control of the House of Representatives in 2007 after the elections of 2006. But, your obsessive need to lay the blame at the feet of the President is the issue. The President can ask, beg or even command, but it's all irrelevant. The true blame is with Congress.

The power of the president to veto is far greater than the power of Congress to override a veto.

 

[Brain357]

Lies. Bush was elected to a dot.com bust. Democrats in congress voted for war in the ME. Then the turn coat democrats ran against the WAR they were for to get full control of congress. Then the DEMOCRATS RAN UP THE SPENDING. Then Obama voted for and promoted the largest deficit budget spending in the HISTORY OF MANKIND. Then Obama promoted illegal immigration, offshoring of our jobs, inshoring of workers, welfare programs are being used by more people than ever in history. Half the democrats in this country are pretending to be disabled. Bush.. yeah he was a DEMOCRAT PRETENDING TO BE A CONSERVATIVE alright.. and how is that supposed to be evidence that democrat spending is better than conservative values?

It's evidence that voting republican does not get you less spending. They obviously care not at all for conservative values.

damn you people are thick headed--------its not dem or rep--------its liberalism that is the problem no matter which party is practicing it. Deficit spending is damaging no matter who does it. what we are debating is which party did more deficit spending--and the answer is the dems, because of what obama has done in the last 4+ years.

GOP does NOT automatically equal conservative.

It doesn't seem to equal conservative at all. That is my point.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Oh whatever... Obama has given us $6,000,000,000,000+ in new debt in under 5 years.

Oh, but yes, spending is down.

You see how the irrational Obama haters have to make even the things they support into bad things if Obama has anything to do with them?

That's ODS.

 

[NYcarbineer]

are you saying that no dems voted to authorize and fund those wars? If so, you are lying.

Why the need to make up shit and attribute it to me?

Bush pushed for 2 tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. That's why we call them the Bush tax cuts. He also engaged the US in 2 wars, coincidentally, in 2001 and 2003. The wars, obviously, represent an additional, extraordinary cost to the government, to the taxpayers.

Instead of paying for the wars, which is what this country used to do, Bush chose to borrow the money for the wars and add it to our ever growing national debt.

That is fiscal irresponsibility at its finest.

Then why for the most part did obama extend the bush tax cuts in 2010 and make them perment? because the idiot didnt have another plan....... and you have the fucking nerve to call bush stupid? look in the mirror, Obama never had a plan to solve anything, His only plan was to out bullshit the American public to live in the whitehouse..... thats it......

Obama never ever had enough votes to get rid of the Bush tax cuts.

 

[RKMBrown]

No one said these guys were conservative. At best they were slightly more conservative than the alternative. Al Gore... cmon

 

[edthecynic]

It's evidence that voting republican does not get you less spending. They obviously care not at all for conservative values.

damn you people are thick headed--------its not dem or rep--------its liberalism that is the problem no matter which party is practicing it. Deficit spending is damaging no matter who does it. what we are debating is which party did more deficit spending--and the answer is the dems, because of what obama has done in the last 4+ years.

GOP does NOT automatically equal conservative.

It doesn't seem to equal conservative at all. That is my point.

According to KrautHammer&Sickle the 2006 election shifted BOTH Parties to the Right!!!


Charles Krauthammer - Only a Minor Earthquake
Only a Minor Earthquake
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, November 10, 2006; Page A31


This is not realignment. As has been the case for decades, American politics continues to be fought between the 40-yard lines. The Europeans fight goal line to goal line, from socialist left to ultra-nationalist right. On the American political spectrum, these extremes are negligible. American elections are fought on much narrower ideological grounds. In this election the Democrats carried the ball from their own 45-yard line to the Republican 45-yard line.


The fact that the Democrats crossed midfield does not make this election a great anti-conservative swing. Republican losses included a massacre of moderate Republicans in the Northeast and Midwest. And Democratic gains included the addition of many conservative Democrats, brilliantly recruited by Rep. Rahm Emanuel with classic Clintonian triangulation. Hence Heath Shuler of North Carolina, antiabortion, pro-gun, anti-tax -- and now a Democratic House member.


The result is that both parties have moved to the right. The Republicans have shed the last vestiges of their centrist past, the Rockefeller Republicans. And the Democrats have widened their tent to bring in a new crop of blue-dog conservatives.

 

[auditor0007]

This misleading shit is still out there?

Figures. Anything to take the pressure off of IRS-gate, Benghazi-gate and AP-gate, right?

BTW....Do you know how long it took for liberals to realize how badly Carter gutted the military and left us practically defenseless? Gee...I wonder where that spending came from to return us to a Superpower status?

We don't need to spend as much as the rest of the world combined on our military to be a super power.