ONLY Democrats Could Be Amazed At Crime Surge After De-Funding the Police

[Fueri]

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

If I am the police officer who was hit on the side of the head with a brick - bloodied - by some domestic terrorist, and not long after the would-be assassin is released from jail by order of the Mayor, as reported recently, you can bet your ass I toss 'em my badge and walk.

What this mayor in this case did was put a would-be assassin back on the streets to attack and try to kill other officers. Mutual support? Trust? Having each other's back? Screw that.

Exactly. Here in Chicago the Mayor repeatedly threw cops under the bus. If cops on the street think they're going to be used as some poster-child/example/raw meat for the SJW's what are odds that they'll stick their necks out and police aggressively.

Exactly zero, IMHO. And I don't blame them. This is a difficult, dangerous job. The last thing they should be worried about is an administration that is actively looking to tear them down to satisfy the demands of some 'movement'.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that include daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

www.foxnews.com

Unfortunately good, law-abiding Americans have to suffer because of STUPIDITY, INCOMPETENCE, & LACK OF COMMON SENSE of Democrats in charge...

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/——/ If you want this for all America, vote early, and vote often for Dementia Joe.

 

[Rigby5]

It is foolish to claim that fewer police means more crime.
I have never heard of police actually EVER stopping a crime in progress.
It probably happened by accident once or twice, but police in no way have any impact on crime, and never can.

Obviously what reduces crime is when people realize that police do almost nothing, and start defending themselves.
Police are an invention of the autocrats who don't want us to be able to defend ourselves, not to protect us. Historically police are associated with dictatorships, not democracies.
The founders of the US did not want police, and police did not exist in any quantity until after around 1900, when this country started becoming more of a dictatorship.

See yemen. Law and order exists because we are imperfect. A civilized country can't exist without law and order.

Law and order come from the general population, and NOT the police, who historically have always been an elite force of the corrupt dictatorship.
The founders knew this and wrote extensively about even the dangers of a standing military, because anyone who is a paid mercenary, is susceptible to becoming corrupt.
Civilized countries resist paid mercenary police.
The US did not have them of any significance until after 1900, when we started to become more of a dictatorship of the wealthy elite.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that include daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

www.foxnews.com

Unfortunately good, law-abiding Americans have to suffer because of STUPIDITY, INCOMPETENCE, & LACK OF COMMON SENSE of Democrats in charge...

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They haven't actually done anything yet.

Police are sulky and shirking their responsibilities.

Run with that!

Xi/Harris 2020 "Police are sulky!"

 

[colfax_m]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

 

[Rigby5]

The lawlessness is happening in liberal cities across the country. This is what their platform is now. Lawlessness, free everything, open borders, no accountability, state rule over citizens. Its a dystopian horrific nightmare in which they are cultivating.

And the British aristocracy likely were aghast that the rebels in the Americas were committing crimes against their system of extracting wealth from the colonies as well.

 

[Rigby5]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Its not just a couple of bad apples.
All police know that things like the Was on Drugs and even parking tickets are illegal extortion, but they do it anyway, because they are PAID to.
They are all inherently corrupt, and they know it.

 

[Rigby5]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

If the majority of police were not corrupt, then they could have easily done something to fix the problems a very long time ago.
Back with Prohibition even, the police said nothing, even though they knew the law was wrong.
It violated basic principles of law.
No one could have not seen that.
And yet we repeated it again, with the War on Drugs.

 

[OKTexas]

The prefix "de" means remove.

No shit - $1 Million was REMOVED from their budget. Again, you are impressed by your own Democrat public school education. You don't know shit about English and reading comprehension but you were the fastest person in your class when it came to put your education on how to put on a rubber into action.....

And $1 million is nothing.
The police in a city like that make over $10 million a year just from parking tickets.
Which the police should not retain, have no right to, and violates their supposed impartiality.

How about you provide a link to support your ignorant claims.

.

 

[Theowl32]

Classical for them to blame Trump for the crimes committed by them.

I have more compassion for the life of an ant than I do for these unreal sniveling spoiled hypocritical losers.

 

[Fueri]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

Sure, if we're talking about a barrel of apples.

Does that apply to groups of people, with diverse viewpoints, experience and world views? I don't think so, any more than other sweeping generalizaton fallacies hold true when people try to paint all Republicans as ___________ or Dems as _________ etc.

Most cops are not out there roughing up people beyond their authority and generating systemic patterns of complaints. That is statistically proven, at least as borne out by the Chicago PD study, so there is no way I'm buying into the blame them all camp, as it just isn't supported. 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period, as in absolutely none, with who knows how many interactions in the city of Chicago, not some sleepy backwoods town.

I do think that the unions need a come to Jesus moment to allow for this type of statistical analysis as a means of identifying and reigning in these bad actors, and have thought that for several years. Posted a thread on it about 5 years ago actually. On that level, we need some change.

We are focusing, however, in the wrong place, IMO, by focusing on these incidents and tagging all cops as bad and, in reality, shooting ourselves right in the ass by doing so. This is a piecemeal approach at best, doesn't actually change anything, and results in actually higher crime, which the cops are then blamed for also.

 

[Fueri]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Its not just a couple of bad apples.
All police know that things like the Was on Drugs and even parking tickets are illegal extortion, but they do it anyway, because they are PAID to.
They are all inherently corrupt, and they know it.

Yes it is, and it is statistically borne out by studies. Your denials of facts don't, and won't, change that.

 

[Rigby5]

The prefix "de" means remove.

No shit - $1 Million was REMOVED from their budget. Again, you are impressed by your own Democrat public school education. You don't know shit about English and reading comprehension but you were the fastest person in your class when it came to put your education on how to put on a rubber into action.....

And $1 million is nothing.
The police in a city like that make over $10 million a year just from parking tickets.
Which the police should not retain, have no right to, and violates their supposed impartiality.

How about you provide a link to support your ignorant claims.
.

What part do you want backup for?

Here is an example of how corrupt parking tickets are.
{...
L.A. brought in over $250 million in revenue from parking violations in 2013.
...}

Top 10 Cities with Highest Revenues from Parking Violations | Parking Panda Blog

Parking ticket fine collection is a cash cow for U.S. major cities. With hefty fines tacked onto tickets, cities are making a big buck from your parking mistakes!Photo by Ildar Sagdejev/CC BY Using cities' 2013 financial reports, TicketZen ranked U.S. cities by revenue made off of parking...

www.parkingpanda.com

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Not only is parking a right actually, but police certainly have no right to revenue from any citation, and it totally destroys their credibility and impartiality. Pure greed.

 

[Rigby5]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

Sure, if we're talking about a barrel of apples.

Does that apply to groups of people, with diverse viewpoints, experience and world views? I don't think so, any more than other sweeping generalizaton fallacies hold true when people try to paint all Republicans as ___________ or Dems as _________ etc.

Most cops are not out there roughing up people beyond their authority and generating systemic patterns of complaints. That is statistically proven, at least as borne out by the Chicago PD study, so there is no way I'm buying into the blame them all camp, as it just isn't supported. 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period, as in absolutely none, with who knows how many interactions in the city of Chicago, not some sleepy backwoods town.

I do think that the unions need a come to Jesus moment to allow for this type of statistical analysis as a means of identifying and reigning in these bad actors, and have thought that for several years. Posted a thread on it about 5 years ago actually. On that level, we need some change.

We are focusing, however, in the wrong place, IMO, by focusing on these incidents and tagging all cops as bad and, in reality, shooting ourselves right in the ass by doing so. This is a piecemeal approach at best, doesn't actually change anything, and results in actually higher crime, which the cops are then blamed for also.

I think all cops must be bad apples, or else they would be complaining more about the inherent corruption and things that are wrong. For example, parking tickets, the war on drugs, no-knock warrants, etc. As long as police do these blatantly illegal things without complaint, they have to all be guilty.

 

[Fueri]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

Sure, if we're talking about a barrel of apples.

Does that apply to groups of people, with diverse viewpoints, experience and world views? I don't think so, any more than other sweeping generalizaton fallacies hold true when people try to paint all Republicans as ___________ or Dems as _________ etc.

Most cops are not out there roughing up people beyond their authority and generating systemic patterns of complaints. That is statistically proven, at least as borne out by the Chicago PD study, so there is no way I'm buying into the blame them all camp, as it just isn't supported. 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period, as in absolutely none, with who knows how many interactions in the city of Chicago, not some sleepy backwoods town.

I do think that the unions need a come to Jesus moment to allow for this type of statistical analysis as a means of identifying and reigning in these bad actors, and have thought that for several years. Posted a thread on it about 5 years ago actually. On that level, we need some change.

We are focusing, however, in the wrong place, IMO, by focusing on these incidents and tagging all cops as bad and, in reality, shooting ourselves right in the ass by doing so. This is a piecemeal approach at best, doesn't actually change anything, and results in actually higher crime, which the cops are then blamed for also.

I think all cops must be bad apples, or else they would be complaining more about the inherent corruption and things that are wrong. For example, parking tickets, the war on drugs, no-knock warrants, etc. As long as police do these blatantly illegal things without complaint, they have to all be guilty.

That's fine. I have no problem with you believing whatever you'd like, however, the primary issue is police brutality, not parking tickets. People aren't marching and burning stuff because of parking tickets. That is the discussion I was having, not a granular discussion of every action taken by police in general and whether or not I agree with this or that, although I don't disagree with you on some things, I think. For instance, the war on drugs was an obvious failure and fed the corporate prison complex and was likely perpetuated by it. No knock warrants are problematic, but I can also see how they are necessary.

In terms of this current issue of police brutality, no, not all cops are out there exceeding their authority to get their rocks off or because they've got a Rambo complex or whatever. The statistics simply don't bear that out so, in that context, we are without question talking about a small percentage of cops.

 

[Rigby5]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

Sure, if we're talking about a barrel of apples.

Does that apply to groups of people, with diverse viewpoints, experience and world views? I don't think so, any more than other sweeping generalizaton fallacies hold true when people try to paint all Republicans as ___________ or Dems as _________ etc.

Most cops are not out there roughing up people beyond their authority and generating systemic patterns of complaints. That is statistically proven, at least as borne out by the Chicago PD study, so there is no way I'm buying into the blame them all camp, as it just isn't supported. 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period, as in absolutely none, with who knows how many interactions in the city of Chicago, not some sleepy backwoods town.

I do think that the unions need a come to Jesus moment to allow for this type of statistical analysis as a means of identifying and reigning in these bad actors, and have thought that for several years. Posted a thread on it about 5 years ago actually. On that level, we need some change.

We are focusing, however, in the wrong place, IMO, by focusing on these incidents and tagging all cops as bad and, in reality, shooting ourselves right in the ass by doing so. This is a piecemeal approach at best, doesn't actually change anything, and results in actually higher crime, which the cops are then blamed for also.

I think all cops must be bad apples, or else they would be complaining more about the inherent corruption and things that are wrong. For example, parking tickets, the war on drugs, no-knock warrants, etc. As long as police do these blatantly illegal things without complaint, they have to all be guilty.

That's fine. I have no problem with you believing whatever you'd like, however, the primary issue is police brutality, not parking tickets. People aren't marching and burning stuff because of parking tickets. That is the discussion I was having, not a granular discussion of every action taken by police in general and whether or not I agree with this or that, although I don't disagree with you on some things, I think. For instance, the war on drugs was an obvious failure and fed the corporate prison complex and was likely perpetuated by it. No knock warrants are problematic, but I can also see how they are necessary.

In terms of this current issue of police brutality, no, not all cops are out there exceeding their authority to get their rocks off or because they've got a Rambo complex or whatever. The statistics simply don't bear that out so, in that context, we are without question talking about a small percentage of cops.

If we were only talking about a small % of cops, then I would not see police routinely pointing guns at people.
That is illegal.
Pointing a gun at someone is conduct regardless of life, because guns often go off very easily, with a flinch or stumble.
Yet police not only do it routinely, but are illegally trained to do it.
And they all have to know that is illegal, because they would never point a gun at someone at the range.
They have to know they are violating basic gun safety principles.

As for no-knock warrants, I agree they can be necessary, but only in a hostage situation.
A no-knock warrant is NOT legal to just gain evidence, because the evidence should already be there before one should be able to get a warrant at all. Fishing expeditions to gain evidence are totally and completely illegal.

 

[martybegan]

Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that include daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

www.foxnews.com

Unfortunately good, law-abiding Americans have to suffer because of STUPIDITY, INCOMPETENCE, & LACK OF COMMON SENSE of Democrats in charge...

.

They haven't actually done anything yet.

Police are sulky and shirking their responsibilities.

Why take risks arresting people and fighting crime if you know the government you work for doesn't have your back?

 

[Fueri]

And when cops know that they'll be tossed under the bus at a moment's notice as the next sacrifices to the SJW Gods they'll pull back.

Seems like they’re recoiling at the thought of actually being accountable for their actions.

If that makes them not want to do their jobs, then they should find new ones.

That's one way of looking at it, however, the statistical facts from a study of the Chicago PD indicated that roughly 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period and of those that did have recurrent complaints 10% of that 60% that did have complaints, or actually only 6% of the police force accounted for approximately 30% of the complaints, ie, 94% of cops did not show these types of recurrent issues in terms of complaints.

Based on that, I do not think this is cops not wanting to be held accountable for their actions, as most of them have absolutely nothing to worry about, however, when you are in a job where you may be raked over the coals due to today's cause du jour when you are tasked with a sometimes very violent and dangerous job, and that nonsense may result in suspension, a lengthy trial etc., for simply doing your job and in some cases justifiably using force, it is pretty clear why they would want to avoid those things. I can't say I blame them.

Seems to me that good cops have a vested interest in making sure the 6% of them that are unfit are handled, yet time and time again we see them protecting their own. This destroys trust with the community and ultimately endangers them.

So no, accountability is definitely the issue.

This issue with accountability of these bad apples is an issue, and the union routinely attempts to block release of any data, so in terms of accountability on that level, yes.

In terms of personal accountability in terms of general day to day activities by these officers, no. Same thing happened in Baltimore. Cops responded to calls, but officer initiated interventions dropped dramatically, something like 70%, so anyone that remembers that knew what would happen here.

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

Baltimore's murder rate reached an all-time high last year. Before that happened, police there suddenly stopped noticing crime.

www.usatoday.com

Baltimore police stopped noticing crime after Freddie Gray's death. A wave of killings followed.

..."

Police typically learn about crime in one of two ways: either someone calls for help, or an officer sees a crime himself and stops to do something. The second category, known among police as an “on-view,” offers a sense of how aggressively officers are doing their job. Car stops are a good example: Few people call 911 to report someone speeding – instead, officers see it and choose to pull someone over. Or choose not to.

Millions of police records show officers in Baltimore respond to calls as quickly as ever. But they now begin far fewer encounters themselves. From 2014 to 2017, dispatch records show the number of suspected narcotics offenses police reported themselves dropped 30 percent; the number of people they reported seeing with outstanding warrants dropped by half. The number of field interviews – instances in which the police approach someone for questioning – dropped 70 percent."

Bad apples spoil the entire bunch. Haven’t you heard the idiom? I think we need to remind ourselves that bad apples are the problem. The union represents the entire force, so if that’s the problem, the officers themselves are certainly culpable.

Sure, if we're talking about a barrel of apples.

Does that apply to groups of people, with diverse viewpoints, experience and world views? I don't think so, any more than other sweeping generalizaton fallacies hold true when people try to paint all Republicans as ___________ or Dems as _________ etc.

Most cops are not out there roughing up people beyond their authority and generating systemic patterns of complaints. That is statistically proven, at least as borne out by the Chicago PD study, so there is no way I'm buying into the blame them all camp, as it just isn't supported. 40% of cops had zero complaints over a 4-5 year period, as in absolutely none, with who knows how many interactions in the city of Chicago, not some sleepy backwoods town.

I do think that the unions need a come to Jesus moment to allow for this type of statistical analysis as a means of identifying and reigning in these bad actors, and have thought that for several years. Posted a thread on it about 5 years ago actually. On that level, we need some change.

We are focusing, however, in the wrong place, IMO, by focusing on these incidents and tagging all cops as bad and, in reality, shooting ourselves right in the ass by doing so. This is a piecemeal approach at best, doesn't actually change anything, and results in actually higher crime, which the cops are then blamed for also.

I think all cops must be bad apples, or else they would be complaining more about the inherent corruption and things that are wrong. For example, parking tickets, the war on drugs, no-knock warrants, etc. As long as police do these blatantly illegal things without complaint, they have to all be guilty.

That's fine. I have no problem with you believing whatever you'd like, however, the primary issue is police brutality, not parking tickets. People aren't marching and burning stuff because of parking tickets. That is the discussion I was having, not a granular discussion of every action taken by police in general and whether or not I agree with this or that, although I don't disagree with you on some things, I think. For instance, the war on drugs was an obvious failure and fed the corporate prison complex and was likely perpetuated by it. No knock warrants are problematic, but I can also see how they are necessary.

In terms of this current issue of police brutality, no, not all cops are out there exceeding their authority to get their rocks off or because they've got a Rambo complex or whatever. The statistics simply don't bear that out so, in that context, we are without question talking about a small percentage of cops.

If we were only talking about a small % of cops, then I would not see police routinely pointing guns at people.
That is illegal.
Pointing a gun at someone is conduct regardless of life, because guns often go off very easily, with a flinch or stumble.
Yet police not only do it routinely, but are illegally trained to do it.
And they all have to know that is illegal, because they would never point a gun at someone at the range.
They have to know they are violating basic gun safety principles.

As for no-knock warrants, I agree they can be necessary, but only in a hostage situation.
A no-knock warrant is NOT legal to just gain evidence, because the evidence should already be there before one should be able to get a warrant at all. Fishing expeditions to gain evidence are totally and completely illegal.

If their pointing guns at people is illegal there should be a statute somewhere that says this. I think it's likely there is a code of conduct or whatever that indicates when it is or is not acceptable to point a loaded weapon at someone while on the job, but I honestly don't know what that is. Likely it's a judgement call of some kind, if they fear for their safety or that of others or something, but I very much doubt it's just illegal.

Cops don't make the laws. It isn't their job to either make them or interpret them, so I can't declare them corrupt for enforcing laws.

I don't disagree that often the rules are bent/twisted all to hell, but if these things are actually legal, then they're legal and that's an issue for legislators to change them, and maybe judges to interpret those laws and declare them unconstitutional or whatever, but that doesn't fall to officers on the street.

 

[Rigby5]

Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that include daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

www.foxnews.com

Unfortunately good, law-abiding Americans have to suffer because of STUPIDITY, INCOMPETENCE, & LACK OF COMMON SENSE of Democrats in charge...

.

They haven't actually done anything yet.

Police are sulky and shirking their responsibilities.

Why take risks arresting people and fighting crime if you know the government you work for doesn't have your back?

Police don't take usually or have to take any significant risks.
They are supposed to call for backup and never need to do a thing until they have over whelming control over any situation.
And as long as they are accepting pay, they should do the job they are paid for.
If police would do what WE want, then WE would support them.
But as long as the police incorrectly THINK they are working for "the government", then they remain the enemy to any democratic republic.

 

[toobfreak]

Minneapolis City Council alarmed by surge in crime months after voting to defund the police

Council members pressed police Chief Medaria Arradondo about the uptick in crimes that include daylight carjackings, robberies, assaults, shootings and street racing.

www.foxnews.com

Unfortunately good, law-abiding Americans have to suffer because of STUPIDITY, INCOMPETENCE, & LACK OF COMMON SENSE of Democrats in charge...

POLICE CHIEFS who have quit so far:

Bridgeport, Conn.
Alburquerque, N.M.
Rochester, N.Y.
Tiburon, Calif.
Orlando Hills, Ill.
Lake City, S.C..
Marion, S.C.
Pamplico, S.C.
West Seneca, N.Y.
Cobden, Ill.
Seattle
Opa-locka, Fla.
Nashville, Tenn.
Milwaukee
Las Cruces, N.M.
Rising Star, Texas
Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
Los Angeles
Jefferson City, Texas
Prince George County, Md.
Richmond, Va.
Atlanta
Put-in-Bay, Ohio
Eugene, Ore.
Portland, Ore.
Louisville, Ky.

The Leftist assault on America continues.

Police chiefs who have resigned or retired since George Floyd death

Multiple police chiefs across the country have either resigned or accelerated their retirements since the death of George Floyd, which was followed by calls for police reform coupled with growing animosity and distrust of law enforcement.

www.foxnews.com