Only Two Countries Vote Against UN Resolution Condemning Nazism.

[Rigby5]

You guys remember when Trump was president and the United States voted no on the same resolution?

Gullible morons.

Not sure how Trump also being wrong changes anything?

 

[Rigby5]

There may be much more to the story than is covered in the scant article to which you linked, but on reading it, it becomes more clear what this is about.

Genuine Nazism has been extinct for decades—for longer than the vast majority of people now living have been alive, and for many times the length of time for which it existed in the first place.

To now pass any sort of resolution against it is a rather pointless move.

On reading the article, I see that Nazism is does not appear to be the actual target of the resolution. The real target appears to be freedoms of speech and assembly, using a historically unpopular ideology as a vehicle through which to promote this attack on these freedoms. It appears to be an effort on the part of the globalist United Nations to dictate to individual sovereign nations which ideologies those nations should or should not allow the citizens thereof to believe in and support.

For the United States to support this resolution would be an act of malfeasance, and a betrayal of the First Amendment to our Constitution; and possibly even an act of treason inasmuch as it allows a foreign power impose upon the American people blatant violations of the rights that our Constitution clearly and explicitly affirms and protects on our behalf.

It is disturbing that only two nations stood up against this resolution.

I disagree.
Nazism not only is alive and well, but the US and Israel are prime examples currently.
The Nazis were anti-socialists, an oligarchy of the wealthy elite.
This is almost always a wealthy elite based on race and religious prejudice.
Colonialism and imperialism are always based on Nazism.
Like England abusing India, Italy abusing Ethiopia, France abusing Algeria, the US abusing Vietnam, etc.

There is no reason to be against the condemnation of Nazism unless one is currently practicing Nazism.

 

[HappyJoy]

Not sure how Trump also being wrong changes anything?

Holding them to different standards.

Why do you guys fall for Russian propaganda? The correct stance is to vote this down. What Putin would love to see is countries like ours that have free speech enshrined into it's Constitution chipping away at that freedom. This is why they keep bringing it up every year and really it's for gullible idiots like you guys to consume and then use against your own government.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

What's that supposed to mean? The two 'no's' weren't from any US political party. The two countries stand responsible for their choices, not their political parties.
I'm just curious if anybody can explain it away and how?

The US voted no so yes a political party was involved but in this case the dems were right to vote no. it is a cheap ploy by Russia to justify war against Ukraine by claiming they are Nazis

 

[Donald H]

There may be much more to the story than is covered in the scant article to which you linked, but on reading it, it becomes more clear what this is about.

Genuine Nazism has been extinct for decades—for longer than the vast majority of people now living have been alive, and for many times the length of time for which it existed in the first place.

To now pass any sort of resolution against it is a rather pointless move.

What a novel idea!

On reading the article, I see that Nazism is does not appear to be the actual target of the resolution. The real target appears to be freedoms of speech and assembly, using a historically unpopular ideology as a vehicle through which to promote this attack on these freedoms. It appears to be an effort on the part of the globalist United Nations to dictate to individual sovereign nations which ideologies those nations should or should not allow the citizens thereof to believe in and support.

For the United States to support this resolution would be an act of malfeasance, and a betrayal of the First Amendment to our Constitution; and possibly even an act of treason inasmuch as it allows a foreign power impose upon the American people blatant violations of the rights that our Constitution clearly and explicitly affirms and protects on our behalf.

And that's a novel interpretation of your constitution.

It is disturbing that only two nations stood up against this resolution.

It's disturbing that the US is the only 'no' besides the country that promotes NeoNazism.
I'm afraid your explanation hasn't cleared up any question.
But what is the blatant violation of it that taking a stand against NeoNazism would violate?
I could see the 'no' vote as a greater violation?

 

[theHawk]

Only two countries vote against UN resolution condemning Nazism

The UN General Assembly has adopted a resolution condemning Nazism, neo-Nazism and all forms of racism, which was co-sponsored by Russia. The US and Ukraine again voted against it, while 49 countries, mainly US allies, abstained.

www.rt.com

Granted, a bit gimmicky but nonetheless, two countries decided it was worth it to oppose the resolution.
Abstaining is always possible but two countries needed to make a political statement that they will have to explain away.

So Biden is now a Neo-Nazi and supporter of racism!
You guys sure picked a winner.

 

[HappyJoy]

So Biden is now a Neo-Nazi and supporter of racism!
You guys sure picked a winner.

The U.S. voted the same way when Trump was president.

 

[theHawk]

What's that supposed to mean? The two 'no's' weren't from any US political party. The two countries stand responsible for their choices, not their political parties.
I'm just curious if anybody can explain it away and how?

LOL what a bullshit excuse. Yes, a political party is in charge of how we vote a the UN. That happens to be Joe Biden and the Dems. Pro-Nazi Joe.

 

[theHawk]

The U.S. voted the same way when Trump was president.

And according to the left he was a racist pro-Nazi guy.

 

[HappyJoy]

LOL what a bullshit excuse. Yes, a political party is in charge of how we vote a the UN. That happens to be Joe Biden and the Dems. Pro-Nazi Joe.

Hey numbnuts.

U.S. opposes Nazi speech, but will vote no at UN to banning it

Although it may seem counterintuitive — who wouldn’t want to condemn Nazis? — State Department officials said that free speech protections and other problems with the resolution make it impossible for America to support the document.

www.pbs.org

Nov 16, 2017 9:08 AM EST​

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At the United Nations this week, the U.S. plans to vote against a yearly resolution that condemns the glorification of Nazism, State Department officials said Wednesday. Although it may seem counterintuitive — who wouldn’t want to condemn Nazis? — officials said that free speech protections and other problems with the resolution make it impossible for America to support the document.​

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US one of only three countries to vote against UN resolution condemning Nazism

First 'no' vote from Trump administration likely to generate interest following president’s 'many sides' comment in wake of violence in Virginia earlier this year

www.independent.co.uk

The US has voted against a United Nations resolution that condemns the glorification of Nazism due to the issues it raises over free speech protections, the state department has said.​

 

[HappyJoy]

And according to the left he was a racist pro-Nazi guy.

Not because of this. Where as you think voting against the resolution is somehow defending Nazism. So, Trump's WH voted against it and your natural conclusion would be.....?

 

[Donald H]

LOL what a bullshit excuse. Yes, a political party is in charge of how we vote a the UN. That happens to be Joe Biden and the Dems. Pro-Nazi Joe.

Russia scored big on this one but the only suggestion coming from any American so far is that Russia desires their attack to be against Nazis.

I don't buy that at all. Russia has no intention of attacking, and the US is already admitting that now. Russia is standing strong against a US takeover of Ukraine, under the Nato flag.

It's much the same as with the Crimea which was a workable situation for both sides until the US attempted a bridge too far.

The Ukraine is definitely a bridge too far for the US, but the propaganda stage still needs to be set up.

Don't do it! That era of encroachment on Russia's borders is over! Now is a time to promote propaganda to say that it's Russia doing the encroaching.

 

[Donald H]

The US voted no so yes a political party was involved but in this case the dems were right to vote no. it is a cheap ploy by Russia to justify war against Ukraine by claiming they are Nazis

I hear your explanation on the Dems being right to vote 'no'.

It was a propaganda ploy by Russia that came off in their favour. That's how propaganda works on all sides. Someone suggested, maybe you, that Russia was building an excuse to attack Nazism.

I don't buy any of the notions that Russia wants to take the Ukraine. Russia is only intending to stop the US/Nato advance.

But in actual fact, tactically, Russia has the UN vote in Putin's pocket.

There are some ideas to gain here on this thread still, but unfortunately 2/3's of the replies are senseless spamming and insulting.

I can at least appreciate your submissions and hope some of the others will make themselves worthy of defending their country's side of the propaganda battle.

Why didn't the US abstain?
Indeed, why wouldn't the Ukraine abstain too?
Two 'no's' gave the whole thing some legitimacy.

 

[HappyJoy]

Russia scored big on this one but the only suggestion coming from any American so far is that Russia desires their attack to be against Nazis.

Russia does this every couple of years. It's really not a gottcha' moment for them.

I don't buy that at all. Russia has no intention of attacking, and the US is already admitting that now. Russia is standing strong against a US takeover of Ukraine, under the Nato flag.

The U.S. has no plans of 'taking over' Ukraine. It's Russia who has already took part of it and are the ones amassed at the border.

It's much the same as with the Crimea which was a workable situation for both sides until the US attempted a bridge too far.

Yeah, that moment where again the U.S. didn't invade Ukraine and Russia did.

The Ukraine is definitely a bridge too far for the US, but the propaganda stage still needs to be set up.

I know, supporting a fledgling democracy fighting against Russia's corrupt influence is so authoritarian.

Don't do it! That era of encroachment on Russia's borders is over! Now is a time to promote propaganda to say that it's Russia doing the encroaching.

You do watch too much RT.

 

[Donald H]

Russia does this every couple of years. It's really not a gottcha' moment for them.

What are you suggesting Russia tries every coupla years?

The U.S. has no plans of 'taking over' Ukraine. It's Russia who has already took part of it and are the ones amassed at the border.

I won't even go to the trouble of presenting the counter-argument. Everybody who is the slightest bit informed will already know it all.

Yeah, that moment where again the U.S. didn't invade Ukraine and Russia did.

See above.

I know, supporting a fledgling democracy fighting against Russia's corrupt influence is so authoritarian.

Are you familiar with the verbal deal Reagan made with Gorbachev. If not then I don't think it's worth my effort to bring you up to speed. If you or anybody else demonstrates any ability to understand the situation, only then will I be willing to waste my time.

You do watch too much RT.

And that indicates to me that you're not worthy of my time.

edit: do bear in mind though that the R supporters have shouldered America's guilt by blaming the D party. I'll take that for now.

 

[theHawk]

Hey numbnuts.

U.S. opposes Nazi speech, but will vote no at UN to banning it

Although it may seem counterintuitive — who wouldn’t want to condemn Nazis? — State Department officials said that free speech protections and other problems with the resolution make it impossible for America to support the document.

www.pbs.org

Nov 16, 2017 9:08 AM EST​

​

At the United Nations this week, the U.S. plans to vote against a yearly resolution that condemns the glorification of Nazism, State Department officials said Wednesday. Although it may seem counterintuitive — who wouldn’t want to condemn Nazis? — officials said that free speech protections and other problems with the resolution make it impossible for America to support the document.​

​

US one of only three countries to vote against UN resolution condemning Nazism

First 'no' vote from Trump administration likely to generate interest following president’s 'many sides' comment in wake of violence in Virginia earlier this year

www.independent.co.uk

The US has voted against a United Nations resolution that condemns the glorification of Nazism due to the issues it raises over free speech protections, the state department has said.​

LOL, yea, like Biden and Dems ever defend free speech.

They simply can’t condemn the Nazis because of the Ukrainian Nazis they funded to overthrow the rightfully elected government of Ukraine back in 2011.

 

[Donald H]

LOL, yea, like Biden and Dems ever defend free speech.

That's domestic politics of no importance.

They simply can’t condemn the Nazis because of the Ukrainian Nazis they funded to overthrow the rightfully elected government of Ukraine back in 2011.

But that is an informed comment! One of very, very few but we're getting somewhere now!
Can you just not turn it into a D/R domestic pissing match now?

 

[Donald H]

LOL, yea, like Biden and Dems ever defend free speech.

They simply can’t condemn the Nazis because of the Ukrainian Nazis they funded to overthrow the rightfully elected government of Ukraine back in 2011.

I did read the link, but it's not me that needs to read it. I wonder if anybody else can get their act together long enough to read it too?

Ironic though that it's talking points seem to shoot down yours.

 

[HappyJoy]

What are you suggesting Russia tries every coupla years?

I won't even go to the trouble of presenting the counter-argument. Everybody who is the slightest bit informed will already know it all.

See above.

Are you familiar with the verbal deal Reagan made with Gorbachev. If not then I don't think it's worth my effort to bring you up to speed. If you or anybody else demonstrates any ability to understand the situation, only then will I be willing to waste my time.

And that indicates to me that you're not worthy of my time.

edit: do bear in mind though that the R supporters have shouldered America's guilt by blaming the D party. I'll take that for now.

Thanks. Poor responses across the board.

 

[HappyJoy]

LOL, yea, like Biden and Dems ever defend free speech.

They simply can’t condemn the Nazis because of the Ukrainian Nazis they funded to overthrow the rightfully elected government of Ukraine back in 2011.

Trump did the same thing. <---Are those words invisible to you or something?