Opioid deaths skyrocket in PA as Trump is unable to contain crisis (but he can golf and tweet)

[HereWeGoAgain]

there is plenty of documentation that addiction is a choice

Is addiction a disease, or is it a choice? To think clearly about this question, we need to make a sharp distinction between an activity and its results. Many activities that are not themselves diseases can cause diseases. And a foolish, self-destructive activity is not necessarily a disease.

With those two vital points in mind, we observe a person ingesting some substance: alcohol, nicotine, cocaine or heroin. We have to decide, not whether this pattern of consumption causes disease nor whether it is foolish and self-destructive, but rather whether it is something altogether distinct and separate: Is this pattern of drug consumption itself a disease?

Scientifically, the contention that addiction is a disease is empirically unsupported. Addiction is a behavior and thus clearly intended by the individual person. What is obvious to common sense has been corroborated by pertinent research for years (Table 1).

The person we call an addict always monitors their rate of consumption in relation to relevant circumstances. For example, even in the most desperate, chronic cases, alcoholics never drink all the alcohol they can. They plan ahead, carefully nursing themselves back from the last drinking binge while deliberately preparing for the next one. This is not to say that their conduct is wise, simply that they are in control of what they are doing. Not only is there no evidence that they cannot moderate their drinking, there is clear evidence that they do so, rationally responding to incentives devised by hospital researchers. Again, the evidence supporting this assertion has been known in the scientific community for years (Table 2).

My book Addiction Is a Choice was criticized in a recent review in a British scholarly journal of addiction studies because it states the obvious (Davidson, 2001). According to the reviewer, everyone in the addiction field now knows that addiction is a choice and not a disease, and I am, therefore, "violently pushing against a door which was opened decades ago." I'm delighted to hear that addiction specialists in Britain are so enlightened and that there is no need for me to argue my case over there.

In the United States, we have not made so much progress. Why do some persist, in the face of all reason and all evidence, in pushing the disease model as the best explanation for addiction?

Addiction Is a Choice | Psychiatric Times

Addiction is not a choice, the ramblings of an addict are hardly evidence of reality.

Next

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

Thats a ridiculous analogy.

Blaming pharmaceutical companies for doctors prescribing medication is ridiculous

And where did I do that?

 

[Hal-9000]

Addiction is not a choice, the ramblings of an addict are hardly evidence of reality.

Next

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

Thats a ridiculous analogy.

Blaming pharmaceutical companies for doctors prescribing medication is ridiculous

Why make them addictive?

You do not understand drugs in general. Heroin is a natural chemical, it is not made addictive, it is addictive, there is a difference. Many people get addicted to being pain free, as the pain that Obama induced on society is unbearable

 

[koshergrl]

Build the wall and put addicts in prison. Problem solved.

 

[Hal-9000]

Big pharma does not make heroin, cocaine and meth................

Grow up

The biggest opioid problem is pharmaceutical related.
They bust pill Docs on a regular basis.

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Dont tell me to think Jr.
Because you just said the exact same thing I said and acted like it was your own words.

Try to think before you babble..........................

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

there is plenty of documentation that addiction is a choice

Is addiction a disease, or is it a choice? To think clearly about this question, we need to make a sharp distinction between an activity and its results. Many activities that are not themselves diseases can cause diseases. And a foolish, self-destructive activity is not necessarily a disease.

With those two vital points in mind, we observe a person ingesting some substance: alcohol, nicotine, cocaine or heroin. We have to decide, not whether this pattern of consumption causes disease nor whether it is foolish and self-destructive, but rather whether it is something altogether distinct and separate: Is this pattern of drug consumption itself a disease?

Scientifically, the contention that addiction is a disease is empirically unsupported. Addiction is a behavior and thus clearly intended by the individual person. What is obvious to common sense has been corroborated by pertinent research for years (Table 1).

The person we call an addict always monitors their rate of consumption in relation to relevant circumstances. For example, even in the most desperate, chronic cases, alcoholics never drink all the alcohol they can. They plan ahead, carefully nursing themselves back from the last drinking binge while deliberately preparing for the next one. This is not to say that their conduct is wise, simply that they are in control of what they are doing. Not only is there no evidence that they cannot moderate their drinking, there is clear evidence that they do so, rationally responding to incentives devised by hospital researchers. Again, the evidence supporting this assertion has been known in the scientific community for years (Table 2).

My book Addiction Is a Choice was criticized in a recent review in a British scholarly journal of addiction studies because it states the obvious (Davidson, 2001). According to the reviewer, everyone in the addiction field now knows that addiction is a choice and not a disease, and I am, therefore, "violently pushing against a door which was opened decades ago." I'm delighted to hear that addiction specialists in Britain are so enlightened and that there is no need for me to argue my case over there.

In the United States, we have not made so much progress. Why do some persist, in the face of all reason and all evidence, in pushing the disease model as the best explanation for addiction?

Addiction Is a Choice | Psychiatric Times

Addiction is not a choice, the ramblings of an addict are hardly evidence of reality.

Next

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

No but if your dumb ass picks up a needle and freely and willingly injects heroin it’s a fucking choice you made. Right?

That person is not an addict until after the drug wears off, thus no one chooses to be an addict.

Next

What kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

 

[Hal-9000]

Addiction is not a choice, the ramblings of an addict are hardly evidence of reality.

Next

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

No but if your dumb ass picks up a needle and freely and willingly injects heroin it’s a fucking choice you made. Right?

That person is not an addict until after the drug wears off, thus no one chooses to be an addict.

Next

What kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

I obviously know less about addiction than an addict in denial like you does.

That said, what kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The biggest opioid problem is pharmaceutical related.
They bust pill Docs on a regular basis.

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Dont tell me to think Jr.
Because you just said the exact same thing I said and acted like it was your own words.

Try to think before you babble..........................

How so?
I never blamed the drug companies,I blame pill mill docs and people who decide to take those drugs for recreational purposes.

 

[Hal-9000]

Addiction is not a choice, the ramblings of an addict are hardly evidence of reality.

Next

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

Thats a ridiculous analogy.

Blaming pharmaceutical companies for doctors prescribing medication is ridiculous

And where did I do that?

Who are you blaming then??????????????

 

[Hal-9000]

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Dont tell me to think Jr.
Because you just said the exact same thing I said and acted like it was your own words.

Try to think before you babble..........................

How so?
I never blamed the drug companies,I blame pill mill docs and people who decide to take those drugs for recreational purposes.

What kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction...........Tell us of your qualifications

 

[Hal-9000]

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Dont tell me to think Jr.
Because you just said the exact same thing I said and acted like it was your own words.

Try to think before you babble..........................

How so?
I never blamed the drug companies,I blame pill mill docs and people who decide to take those drugs for recreational purposes.

If there are pill mill doctors, blame law enforcement and Obooba for allowing them to prescribe.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

No but if your dumb ass picks up a needle and freely and willingly injects heroin it’s a fucking choice you made. Right?

That person is not an addict until after the drug wears off, thus no one chooses to be an addict.

Next

What kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

I obviously know less about addiction than an addict in denial like you does.

That said, what kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

My Mother ran a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center so I'm very familiar.
She made it a point to educate me in depth.....in fact to the point I got sick of it.

 

[forkup]

The biggest opioid problem is pharmaceutical related.
They bust pill Docs on a regular basis.

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No one is forced into addiction

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

Thats a ridiculous analogy.

Blaming pharmaceutical companies for doctors prescribing medication is ridiculous

And where did I do that?

Who are you blaming then??????????????

Do you not know how the alert system works?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Dont tell me to think Jr.
Because you just said the exact same thing I said and acted like it was your own words.

Try to think before you babble..........................

How so?
I never blamed the drug companies,I blame pill mill docs and people who decide to take those drugs for recreational purposes.

If there are pill mill doctors, blame law enforcement and Obooba for allowing them to prescribe.

Personally I dont give a shit if druggies die due to their lack of ability to control their urges,that a sign of a weak individual.

I blame the docs for breaking the law and the weak minded dimwits who get addicted due to their own actions.

 

[Hal-9000]

No one is forced into schizophrenia either, so is it their fault?

Think, if you can

No but if your dumb ass picks up a needle and freely and willingly injects heroin it’s a fucking choice you made. Right?

That person is not an addict until after the drug wears off, thus no one chooses to be an addict.

Next

What kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

I obviously know less about addiction than an addict in denial like you does.

That said, what kind of background do you have in drug and alcohol addiction?

My Mother ran a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center so I'm very familiar.
She made it a point to educate me in depth.....in fact to the point I got sick of it.

Oh your Mommy told you, so that is your expertise,

Sheesh

 

[WillowTree]

The biggest opioid problem is pharmaceutical related.
They bust pill Docs on a regular basis.

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

for crying out loud. I have had many surgeries, injuries, and broken my knee twice. I received narcotics each time for pain. I have never been addicted.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Pharmacies do not prescribe drugs, doctors do, so pharmacies and drug companies are not at fault in any way.

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

 

[Hal-9000]

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Dont tell me to think Jr.
Because you just said the exact same thing I said and acted like it was your own words.

Try to think before you babble..........................

How so?
I never blamed the drug companies,I blame pill mill docs and people who decide to take those drugs for recreational purposes.

If there are pill mill doctors, blame law enforcement and Obooba for allowing them to prescribe.

Personally I dont give a shit if druggies die due to their lack of ability to control their urges,that a sign of a weak individual.

I blame the docs for breaking the law and the weak minded dimwits who get addicted due to their own actions.

Is that how your Mother treated addicts?

 

[WillowTree]

Oh, I take that back, I was addicted to nicotine once. Not any longer.

 

[Hal-9000]

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

FINALLY THE ADDICT IS COMING CLEAN