Opioid deaths skyrocket in PA as Trump is unable to contain crisis (but he can golf and tweet)

[Hal-9000]

Summing Up
Addiction involves an initial “honey moon” period, followed by alternating periods of remission and relapse, and then an eventual return to a more sober life. Most addicts quit using drugs at clinically significant levels, they typically quit without professional help, and in the case of illicit drugs, they typically quit before the age of 30. The correlates of quitting include many of the factors that influence voluntary acts, but not, according to Figure Figure1,1, drug exposure once drug use meets the criteria for dependence. Thus, we can say that addiction is ambivalent drug use, which eventually involves more costs than benefits (otherwise why quit?). Behavioral choice principles predict ambivalent preferences, semi-stable suboptimal behavior patterns, and the capacity to shift from one option to another. In contrast, the brain disease account of addiction fails to predict the high quit rates; it fails to predict the correlates of quitting; it fails to predict the temporal pattern of quitting; and it is tied to unsupportable assumptions, such as the claims that neural adaptations, heritability, and irrationality are prima facie evidence of disease. To be sure “compulsion” and “choice” can be seen as points on a continuum, but Figure Figure11 and research on quitting make it clear that addiction is not a borderline case.

It is time to think about addiction in terms of what the research shows, particularly the more recent epidemiological studies, and it is time to abandon the medical model of addiction. It does not fit the facts. The matching law, melioration, and hyperbolic discounting predict that drugs and similar commodities will become the focus of destructive, suboptimal patterns of behavior. These same choice models also predict that individuals caught in a destructive pattern of behavior retain the capacity to improve their lot and that they will do so as a function of changes in their options and/or how they frame their choices. This viewpoint fits the facts of addiction and provides a practical guide to measures that will actually help addicts change for the better.

Addiction and Choice: Theory and New Data

Tell us what you are using that you are not addicted to?

The democrats caused this problem by letting drug smugglers come in from Mexico

You got that kid?

No they didn't, the opioid crisis was started by big pharma as both parties turned their back and let them make yuuuuge profits while hooking millions of people on that shit! This is a problem shared by both parties!

Big pharma does not make heroin, cocaine and meth................

Grow up

Opioid drugs and fentynol, did they over prescribe those for the better part of 15 years or not? Remember your hero Rush was hooked on them!

Rush was using 20 doctors, this is not the fault of any one of those doctors, it was his fault. I have been prescribed Tylenol with Codeine, Percocet, Talwin and morphine sulfate narcotics in my life, they all treated the pain at the time and I was never once addicted. Are you planning to ban all painkillers? because of drug users

My understanding is that they have cut WAY back on writing scripts for them yes. And why did your hero go to 20 different Drs for those scripts? Yes because they got him addicted to them.

1. Rush is not my hero.
2. They did not get him addicted, he abused the system
3. Doctors are responsible for about .01 percent of addictions

 

[PredFan]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

You think Trump or the GOP give a flying fuck about opioid addiction? They’re going to slash funding for anything that can fight it.

Why the fuck do taxpayers need to spend money on addicts?

 

[forkup]

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

It depends on how much you take and what you are used to taking I suspect. As I said, I have direct knowledge of how pain treatment works in 2 countries. Where I live, doctors try to manage pain. They try to give you just enough to take the edge of. This means considerable discomfort in some cases but less addiction problems. In the US ANY pain is to much pain, so the philosophy is to try to make pain disappear. Don't get me wrong there are cases were narcotics should and are prescribed here but a reluctance to take that step seems a good idea.

 

[PredFan]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

It’s not his job...

and yet, moron, he declared a public health crisis.... if it wasn't his job, he wouldn't have done that. he just fails at his job. wacko

How stupid are you? Just because he said it was a health crisis doesn't make it his job. How do you live in a brain that fucked up?

 

[blackhawk]

Your right lets have him sign an EO to stop the opioid crisis.

 

[Aldo Raine]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

You think Trump or the GOP give a flying fuck about opioid addiction? They’re going to slash funding for anything that can fight it.

Why the fuck do taxpayers need to spend money on addicts?

Or a stupid wall.

 

[jc456]

I was referring to pharmaceutical drugs.
Had I meant companies or..LOL..your local Walgreens,I would have said so.

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

Just had hip replacement. Got two different pain meds norco and tramadol. Neither actually toot away pain. I’m on day nine and stopped both. I don’t get it. Neither did anything. 325 mg of norco. Made me drowsy and that’s it. Stopped zero pain.

 

[Aldo Raine]

Summing Up
Addiction involves an initial “honey moon” period, followed by alternating periods of remission and relapse, and then an eventual return to a more sober life. Most addicts quit using drugs at clinically significant levels, they typically quit without professional help, and in the case of illicit drugs, they typically quit before the age of 30. The correlates of quitting include many of the factors that influence voluntary acts, but not, according to Figure Figure1,1, drug exposure once drug use meets the criteria for dependence. Thus, we can say that addiction is ambivalent drug use, which eventually involves more costs than benefits (otherwise why quit?). Behavioral choice principles predict ambivalent preferences, semi-stable suboptimal behavior patterns, and the capacity to shift from one option to another. In contrast, the brain disease account of addiction fails to predict the high quit rates; it fails to predict the correlates of quitting; it fails to predict the temporal pattern of quitting; and it is tied to unsupportable assumptions, such as the claims that neural adaptations, heritability, and irrationality are prima facie evidence of disease. To be sure “compulsion” and “choice” can be seen as points on a continuum, but Figure Figure11 and research on quitting make it clear that addiction is not a borderline case.

It is time to think about addiction in terms of what the research shows, particularly the more recent epidemiological studies, and it is time to abandon the medical model of addiction. It does not fit the facts. The matching law, melioration, and hyperbolic discounting predict that drugs and similar commodities will become the focus of destructive, suboptimal patterns of behavior. These same choice models also predict that individuals caught in a destructive pattern of behavior retain the capacity to improve their lot and that they will do so as a function of changes in their options and/or how they frame their choices. This viewpoint fits the facts of addiction and provides a practical guide to measures that will actually help addicts change for the better.

Addiction and Choice: Theory and New Data

Tell us what you are using that you are not addicted to?

No they didn't, the opioid crisis was started by big pharma as both parties turned their back and let them make yuuuuge profits while hooking millions of people on that shit! This is a problem shared by both parties!

Big pharma does not make heroin, cocaine and meth................

Grow up

Opioid drugs and fentynol, did they over prescribe those for the better part of 15 years or not? Remember your hero Rush was hooked on them!

Rush was using 20 doctors, this is not the fault of any one of those doctors, it was his fault. I have been prescribed Tylenol with Codeine, Percocet, Talwin and morphine sulfate narcotics in my life, they all treated the pain at the time and I was never once addicted. Are you planning to ban all painkillers? because of drug users

My understanding is that they have cut WAY back on writing scripts for them yes. And why did your hero go to 20 different Drs for those scripts? Yes because they got him addicted to them.

1. Rush is not my hero.
2. They did not get him addicted, he abused the system
3. Doctors are responsible for about .01 percent of addictions

They sure did, ask Rush.

 

[PredFan]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

You think Trump or the GOP give a flying fuck about opioid addiction? They’re going to slash funding for anything that can fight it.

Why the fuck do taxpayers need to spend money on addicts?

Or a stupid wall.

Oh look! the little kid is here too! Does your mommy know you are up this late?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

It depends on how much you take and what you are used to taking. As I said, I have direct knowledge of how pain treatment works in 2 countries. Where I live, doctors try to manage pain. They try to give you just enough to take the edge of. This means considerable discomfort in some cases but less addiction problems. In the US ANY pain is to much pain, so the philosophy is to try to make pain disappear. Don't get me wrong there are cases were narcotics should and are prescribed here but a reluctance to take that step seems a good idea.

Oh no doubt.
The standard in my case through all my surgeries has been about a week to a week and a half of an opioid based pain killer.
After that it's Tylenol and you have to tuff it out.

Hell,I'd love to have some NORCO right now four weeks after my spinal fusion just so I could get a good nights sleep,but it is what it is.

 

[Aldo Raine]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

You think Trump or the GOP give a flying fuck about opioid addiction? They’re going to slash funding for anything that can fight it.

Why the fuck do taxpayers need to spend money on addicts?

Or a stupid wall.

Oh look! the little kid is here too! Does your mommy know you are up this late?

My mommy has been dead for 28 years. Do they ever let you out of the basement squirt shot?

 

[jc456]

The president of the united states was unable to stop a drug epidemic? THIS IS UNPRECEDENTED!

Obama let the drugs come in to the USA unabated, so he helped the addicts get addicted

So obummer did nothing! Figures

 

[PredFan]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

You think Trump or the GOP give a flying fuck about opioid addiction? They’re going to slash funding for anything that can fight it.

Why the fuck do taxpayers need to spend money on addicts?

Or a stupid wall.

Oh look! the little kid is here too! Does your mommy know you are up this late?

My mommy has been dead for 28 years. Do they ever let you out of the basement squirt shot?

Meh, ok so you're old as shit but with the brain of a child. Good luck with that.

 

[jc456]

My Mother ran a drug and alcohol rehabilitation center so I'm very familiar.
She made it a point to educate me in depth.....in fact to the point I got sick of it.

Oh your Mommy told you, so that is your expertise,

Sheesh

I heard about the dangers my whole life.......after my father died due to alcohol addiction,which of course drove my mother to take up her profession.
You dont know shit Jr.

lol, drug rehab centers are not run by people who's husband died from alcohol, they are run by doctors who can prescribe the drugs used for addiction.

Stop telling stories kiddy

Holy shit you're stupid.
Rehab is not run by Doctors you moron they're run by drug addiction specialist who then pass their findings onto Doctors who base their scripts on that evaluation.

Drug rehab includes drugs prescribed by doctors.

Again you are the addict in denial.

That said I have never been to rehab, unlike you

How you know about it then? Hmmmm

 

[Hal-9000]

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

Just had hip replacement. Got two different pain meds norco and tramadol. Neither actually toot away pain. I’m on day nine and stopped both. I don’t get it. Neither did anything. 325 mg of norco. Made me drowsy and that’s it. Stopped zero pain.

When I had a wrist operation with pins and screws I was on morphine in the hospital, which worked well as it should, The doctor sent me home with a prescription for 500mg of Tylenol with 5mg of Codeine. It did not do squat. I called the doctor and ask for something stronger and he said no, then I screamed at him that 5mg of Codeine was all that was in this pill and I would go to another fucking doctor if I needed to. He then called a prescription to the pharmacy for Talwin. Talwin is highly addictive, but it works. So if you are in pain start some shit, there is no reason for your pain

 

[Hal-9000]

Oh your Mommy told you, so that is your expertise,

Sheesh

I heard about the dangers my whole life.......after my father died due to alcohol addiction,which of course drove my mother to take up her profession.
You dont know shit Jr.

lol, drug rehab centers are not run by people who's husband died from alcohol, they are run by doctors who can prescribe the drugs used for addiction.

Stop telling stories kiddy

Holy shit you're stupid.
Rehab is not run by Doctors you moron they're run by drug addiction specialist who then pass their findings onto Doctors who base their scripts on that evaluation.

Drug rehab includes drugs prescribed by doctors.

Again you are the addict in denial.

That said I have never been to rehab, unlike you

How you know about it then? Hmmmm

My IQ is 130.........................what is yours

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I know what you are saying, but drug makers are not at fault unless they are selling without doctors prescriptions...............................

Think

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

Just had hip replacement. Got two different pain meds norco and tramadol. Neither actually toot away pain. I’m on day nine and stopped both. I don’t get it. Neither did anything. 325 mg of norco. Made me drowsy and that’s it. Stopped zero pain.

The NORCO actually worked way better for me than Tramadol and when taken with a muscle relaxer it allowed me to get some shut eye.
But yeah they dont take all the pain away thats for sure.

 

[Aldo Raine]

You think Trump or the GOP give a flying fuck about opioid addiction? They’re going to slash funding for anything that can fight it.

Why the fuck do taxpayers need to spend money on addicts?

Or a stupid wall.

Oh look! the little kid is here too! Does your mommy know you are up this late?

My mommy has been dead for 28 years. Do they ever let you out of the basement squirt shot?

Meh, ok so you're old as shit but with the brain of a child. Good luck with that.

No luck needed to out maneuver a halfwit like you!

 

[jc456]

President Donald Trump is failing miserably in the battle against the opioid crisis.
What a pathetic, lazy President. He should drop that fucking golf club and get to work.
'Worst year,' 'terrifying trend': Opioid, heroin deaths in '17 ravage Central Pa. counties

It’s not his job...

and yet, moron, he declared a public health crisis.... if it wasn't his job, he wouldn't have done that. he just fails at his job. wacko

It is isn’t it?

 

[jc456]

Who makes them addictive?

Narcotics do save a lot of lives you know, they also improve the quality of life for millions of people. Why do you want people to suffer?

Yes but sometimes prescribing narcotics creates more problems then it solves.
I'm Belgian, my wife's American. My mother in law died while being addicted to Oxicoton. An addiction she picked up after a surgery. My wife just had surgery here. The pain meds she got prescribed was a form of Tylenol. My mother in law was pain free but addicted when she left the hospital. My wife was in pain a few days after her surgery but not addicted. Which of these you think is preferable?

I've been through multiple serious surgeries over the last three years.
Hip replacement,cancer and back surgery to be exact,and I'm here to tell you Tylenol didnt dent the pain.

Just had hip replacement. Got two different pain meds norco and tramadol. Neither actually toot away pain. I’m on day nine and stopped both. I don’t get it. Neither did anything. 325 mg of norco. Made me drowsy and that’s it. Stopped zero pain.

The NORCO actually worked way better for me than Tramadol and when taken with a muscle relaxer it allowed me to get some shut eye.
But yeah they dont take all the pain away thats for sure.

Me, I’m totally confused why people want to take them. Did nothing for me.