Owen Labrie, Harsh Penalty for shagging 15 yo, He was 18

[Meathead]

Moronic America at its worst. While I understand the call of law to protect the innocent, monolithic and arbitrary ages of consent without objective reasoning are palpably absurd.

 

[westwall]

BTW, this is the reason a "registered sex offender" no longer means what it used to. The public is now well aware that they aren't all child molesters.

What this shows is you shouldn't have sex with underage girls. Especially when their fathers have more money than your father does. This is not an unusual event in the world of the upper class. It just usually is not so publicly spread. I remember a case back in the Los Angeles area that likewise blew up. This would have been about 40 years ago.. The perp had to spend a year in jail and IIRC when he was released he and the girl got married against her fathers wishes.

This isn't a case where they were in love and the older boy got carried away with a younger girl. They had barely met and didn't even have a relationship. He seduced her and used a computer to facilitate the seduction. I find it very difficult to judge parties as being wrongful when there is only a difference in age between them unless the man is egregiously forceful. This boy is guilty of being a cad and nothing more. He doesn't need to be on a sex offender registry, perhaps we need a cad and scoundrel registry.

Yes, I know. That's why I feel no pity for the twit. I was merely pointing out the fact that having sex with a girl who's dad is wealthier than yours is not too smart. Mr. Labrie comes off as a pompous spoiled asshole. He got off light compared to what I would have done to him...

 

[westwall]

The thing is he didn't get convicted of the more serious charge, but of the misdemeanor related to her being underage, and him not being.

If he got convicted of the higher charge, he would be a sex offender, because he would have been convicted of something involving force.

He was convicted of a felony which is what is causing the sex offender registry.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/us/owen-labrie-st-pauls-school-sentencing.html?_r=0

Mr. Labrie, now 20, received concurrent sentences of a year in jail on three misdemeanors and another year on a fourth, which the judge suspended.

The judge also sentenced him to up to seven years in state prison on a felony conviction of using a computer to lure a minor, but suspended that sentence, too.

The trial jury’s acquittal of Mr. Labrie on the main rape charges, three counts of felony aggravated sexual assault, led his lawyer, J. W. Carney Jr., to refer during Thursday’s hearing to what his client and the girl had engaged in as “a consensual encounter between two teenagers.”

This is why sometimes I can't stand the law. The felony is for using a computer? not the actual act?

The jury nullified stat rape or he would have been in prison for 11 years. At least someone was looking out for him if not this Nazi judge.

In his case it was just plain old rape. When the girl says no, that's it, boys...

For once i agree 100% with you.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

BTW, this is the reason a "registered sex offender" no longer means what it used to. The public is now well aware that they aren't all child molesters.

What this shows is you shouldn't have sex with underage girls. Especially when their fathers have more money than your father does. This is not an unusual event in the world of the upper class. It just usually is not so publicly spread. I remember a case back in the Los Angeles area that likewise blew up. This would have been about 40 years ago.. The perp had to spend a year in jail and IIRC when he was released he and the girl got married against her fathers wishes.

I'm not saying there should be no response and I think a year in jail is fine, but then to be numbered with rapists and child molesters for the rest of his life? Most people agree that's going too far. The sex offender registry is designed to warn the public of dangerous individuals. Some guy that got horny with a fellow teenager doesn't quite fit that description.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

BTW, this is the reason a "registered sex offender" no longer means what it used to. The public is now well aware that they aren't all child molesters.

What this shows is you shouldn't have sex with underage girls. Especially when their fathers have more money than your father does. This is not an unusual event in the world of the upper class. It just usually is not so publicly spread. I remember a case back in the Los Angeles area that likewise blew up. This would have been about 40 years ago.. The perp had to spend a year in jail and IIRC when he was released he and the girl got married against her fathers wishes.

I'm not saying there should be no response and I think a year in jail is fine, but then to be numbered with rapists and child molesters for the rest of his life? Most people agree that's going too far. The sex offender registry is designed to warn the public of dangerous individuals. Some guy that got horny with a fellow teenager doesn't quite fit that description.

He is a dangerous individual, at the moment. He's a rapist.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Owen Labrie sentenced to a year in jail for prep school sex assault

With his once promising future at Harvard a shambles, a former New Hampshireprep school senior convicted of having sex with an underage girl as part of an unofficial school tradition was sentenced to a year in jail and probation.

Owen Labrie, now 20, faced a possible 11-year sentence for his conviction on three misdemeanor counts of sex with a 15-year-old and one felony count of using the internet to arrange a secret encounter on the campus of St Paul’s school in Concord, New Hampshire.

Labrie’s conviction for felony use of a computer also requires he register as a sex offender for life for sending the girl a “senior salute”, an old tradition on the bucolic campus where seniors in the waning days of high school ask underclassmen on a date.

Before he was sentenced, Labrie made the sign of the cross on his chest. He stood stock still while hearing he would go to prison. His mother wept.

Judge Lawrence Smukler said he rejects Labrie’s defense argument that the jury found the teenagers had consensual sex.

“This was not consensual. You did not take the time to get to know the victim to know how she reacts to various things,” Smukler said as he announced the sentence. “The very reason it is a crime is a child, someone under the age of consent, is not sufficiently mature to handle a sexual situation with an older person. She was in over her head and that was very clear.”

Prosecutors asked the judge to give Labrie three and a half to seven years in prison and undergo sex offender treatment.

Broke the law. Too bad so sad. Is a stupid law to be sure, but so long as stupid laws are in effect we have to obey them. Start pick and choosing or rationalizing our ignoring them and it's all over.

So when a pot smoker goes to prison for 25 years, you'll say exactly the same thing?

You won't?

 

[rightwinger]

Teen sex should not be criminalized

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

BTW, this is the reason a "registered sex offender" no longer means what it used to. The public is now well aware that they aren't all child molesters.

What this shows is you shouldn't have sex with underage girls. Especially when their fathers have more money than your father does. This is not an unusual event in the world of the upper class. It just usually is not so publicly spread. I remember a case back in the Los Angeles area that likewise blew up. This would have been about 40 years ago.. The perp had to spend a year in jail and IIRC when he was released he and the girl got married against her fathers wishes.

This isn't a case where they were in love and the older boy got carried away with a younger girl. They had barely met and didn't even have a relationship. He seduced her and used a computer to facilitate the seduction. I find it very difficult to judge parties as being wrongful when there is only a difference in age between them unless the man is egregiously forceful. This boy is guilty of being a cad and nothing more. He doesn't need to be on a sex offender registry, perhaps we need a cad and scoundrel registry.

Yes, I know. That's why I feel no pity for the twit. I was merely pointing out the fact that having sex with a girl who's dad is wealthier than yours is not too smart. Mr. Labrie comes off as a pompous spoiled asshole. He got off light compared to what I would have done to him...

I'm sure he would have appreciated a good ass kicking more than a lifetime of being branded a pervert.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Teen sex should not be criminalized

I don't agree with that. If you have a 14 year old daughter, for example, you want to know that the law is helping you in your effort to protect her from predators. 2 or 3 years most people understand, but what if it's a 19 year old seducing a 13 year old girl?

With that said however, I think a little jail time is fine, but the sex registry is over the top barbaric.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Owen Labrie sentenced to a year in jail for prep school sex assault

With his once promising future at Harvard a shambles, a former New Hampshireprep school senior convicted of having sex with an underage girl as part of an unofficial school tradition was sentenced to a year in jail and probation.

Owen Labrie, now 20, faced a possible 11-year sentence for his conviction on three misdemeanor counts of sex with a 15-year-old and one felony count of using the internet to arrange a secret encounter on the campus of St Paul’s school in Concord, New Hampshire.

Labrie’s conviction for felony use of a computer also requires he register as a sex offender for life for sending the girl a “senior salute”, an old tradition on the bucolic campus where seniors in the waning days of high school ask underclassmen on a date.

Before he was sentenced, Labrie made the sign of the cross on his chest. He stood stock still while hearing he would go to prison. His mother wept.

Judge Lawrence Smukler said he rejects Labrie’s defense argument that the jury found the teenagers had consensual sex.

“This was not consensual. You did not take the time to get to know the victim to know how she reacts to various things,” Smukler said as he announced the sentence. “The very reason it is a crime is a child, someone under the age of consent, is not sufficiently mature to handle a sexual situation with an older person. She was in over her head and that was very clear.”

Prosecutors asked the judge to give Labrie three and a half to seven years in prison and undergo sex offender treatment.

Broke the law. Too bad so sad. Is a stupid law to be sure, but so long as stupid laws are in effect we have to obey them. Start pick and choosing or rationalizing our ignoring them and it's all over.

So when a pot smoker goes to prison for 25 years, you'll say exactly the same thing?

You won't?

If that's the penalty. Kinda think it isn't.

Law's the law. Rationalize ignoring it and pick n choose and there is no law at all. Wanna schtoop your SO but it's illegal that's that. Ignore the law and do it anyway better hope I'm not on the jury.

Hope he wasn't planning on studying law at Harvard.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Owen Labrie sentenced to a year in jail for prep school sex assault

With his once promising future at Harvard a shambles, a former New Hampshireprep school senior convicted of having sex with an underage girl as part of an unofficial school tradition was sentenced to a year in jail and probation.

Owen Labrie, now 20, faced a possible 11-year sentence for his conviction on three misdemeanor counts of sex with a 15-year-old and one felony count of using the internet to arrange a secret encounter on the campus of St Paul’s school in Concord, New Hampshire.

Labrie’s conviction for felony use of a computer also requires he register as a sex offender for life for sending the girl a “senior salute”, an old tradition on the bucolic campus where seniors in the waning days of high school ask underclassmen on a date.

Before he was sentenced, Labrie made the sign of the cross on his chest. He stood stock still while hearing he would go to prison. His mother wept.

Judge Lawrence Smukler said he rejects Labrie’s defense argument that the jury found the teenagers had consensual sex.

“This was not consensual. You did not take the time to get to know the victim to know how she reacts to various things,” Smukler said as he announced the sentence. “The very reason it is a crime is a child, someone under the age of consent, is not sufficiently mature to handle a sexual situation with an older person. She was in over her head and that was very clear.”

Prosecutors asked the judge to give Labrie three and a half to seven years in prison and undergo sex offender treatment.

Broke the law. Too bad so sad. Is a stupid law to be sure, but so long as stupid laws are in effect we have to obey them. Start pick and choosing or rationalizing our ignoring them and it's all over.

So when a pot smoker goes to prison for 25 years, you'll say exactly the same thing?

You won't?

If that's the penalty. Kinda think it isn't.

Law's the law. Rationalize ignoring it and pick n choose and there is no law at all. Wanna schtoop your SO but it's illegal that's that. Ignore the law and do it anyway better hope I'm not on the jury.

Hope he wasn't planning on studying law at Harvard.

Some laws are stupid and need to be changed or deemed unconstitutional.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Owen Labrie sentenced to a year in jail for prep school sex assault

With his once promising future at Harvard a shambles, a former New Hampshireprep school senior convicted of having sex with an underage girl as part of an unofficial school tradition was sentenced to a year in jail and probation.

Owen Labrie, now 20, faced a possible 11-year sentence for his conviction on three misdemeanor counts of sex with a 15-year-old and one felony count of using the internet to arrange a secret encounter on the campus of St Paul’s school in Concord, New Hampshire.

Labrie’s conviction for felony use of a computer also requires he register as a sex offender for life for sending the girl a “senior salute”, an old tradition on the bucolic campus where seniors in the waning days of high school ask underclassmen on a date.

Before he was sentenced, Labrie made the sign of the cross on his chest. He stood stock still while hearing he would go to prison. His mother wept.

Judge Lawrence Smukler said he rejects Labrie’s defense argument that the jury found the teenagers had consensual sex.

“This was not consensual. You did not take the time to get to know the victim to know how she reacts to various things,” Smukler said as he announced the sentence. “The very reason it is a crime is a child, someone under the age of consent, is not sufficiently mature to handle a sexual situation with an older person. She was in over her head and that was very clear.”

Prosecutors asked the judge to give Labrie three and a half to seven years in prison and undergo sex offender treatment.

Broke the law. Too bad so sad. Is a stupid law to be sure, but so long as stupid laws are in effect we have to obey them. Start pick and choosing or rationalizing our ignoring them and it's all over.

So when a pot smoker goes to prison for 25 years, you'll say exactly the same thing?

You won't?

If that's the penalty. Kinda think it isn't.

Law's the law. Rationalize ignoring it and pick n choose and there is no law at all. Wanna schtoop your SO but it's illegal that's that. Ignore the law and do it anyway better hope I'm not on the jury.

Hope he wasn't planning on studying law at Harvard.

Some laws are stupid and need to be changed or deemed unconstitutional.

Yes indeed. But until they're changed you don't get to ignore them.

 

[Meathead]

The thing is he didn't get convicted of the more serious charge, but of the misdemeanor related to her being underage, and him not being.

If he got convicted of the higher charge, he would be a sex offender, because he would have been convicted of something involving force.

He was convicted of a felony which is what is causing the sex offender registry.


>>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/us/owen-labrie-st-pauls-school-sentencing.html?_r=0

Mr. Labrie, now 20, received concurrent sentences of a year in jail on three misdemeanors and another year on a fourth, which the judge suspended.

The judge also sentenced him to up to seven years in state prison on a felony conviction of using a computer to lure a minor, but suspended that sentence, too.

The trial jury’s acquittal of Mr. Labrie on the main rape charges, three counts of felony aggravated sexual assault, led his lawyer, J. W. Carney Jr., to refer during Thursday’s hearing to what his client and the girl had engaged in as “a consensual encounter between two teenagers.”

This is why sometimes I can't stand the law. The felony is for using a computer? not the actual act?

The jury nullified stat rape or he would have been in prison for 11 years. At least someone was looking out for him if not this Nazi judge.

In his case it was just plain old rape. When the girl says no, that's it, boys...

For once i agree 100% with you.

You're both 'substandard' {mod}. Statutory rape can never be considered 'just plain old rape'.

I hope you both understand exactly what I mean by 'substandard'. It is in fact the height of 'substandardness' to make such a statement.

 

[rightwinger]

Teen sex should not be criminalized

I don't agree with that. If you have a 14 year old daughter, for example, you want to know that the law is helping you in your effort to protect her from predators. 2 or 3 years most people understand, but what if it's a 19 year old seducing a 13 year old girl?

With that said however, I think a little jail time is fine, but the sex registry is over the top barbaric.

So if your 14 year old daughter shacks up with a 17 year old Junior it is OK, but if she shacks up with an 18 year old Senior it is a felony

 

[PaintMyHouse]

He was convicted of a felony which is what is causing the sex offender registry.


>>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/us/owen-labrie-st-pauls-school-sentencing.html?_r=0

Mr. Labrie, now 20, received concurrent sentences of a year in jail on three misdemeanors and another year on a fourth, which the judge suspended.

The judge also sentenced him to up to seven years in state prison on a felony conviction of using a computer to lure a minor, but suspended that sentence, too.

The trial jury’s acquittal of Mr. Labrie on the main rape charges, three counts of felony aggravated sexual assault, led his lawyer, J. W. Carney Jr., to refer during Thursday’s hearing to what his client and the girl had engaged in as “a consensual encounter between two teenagers.”

This is why sometimes I can't stand the law. The felony is for using a computer? not the actual act?

The jury nullified stat rape or he would have been in prison for 11 years. At least someone was looking out for him if not this Nazi judge.

In his case it was just plain old rape. When the girl says no, that's it, boys...

For once i agree 100% with you.

You're both 'substandard' {mod}. Statutory rape can never be considered 'just plain old rape'.

I hope you both understand exactly what I mean by 'substandard'. It is in fact the height of 'substandardness' to make such a statement.

This was not statutory rape, this was, to quote the GOPers, real rape. She told him to stop, she still had her panties on, and he didn't. That's rape my little friend, plain old rape.

 

[Meathead]

You're both 'substandard' {mod}. Statutory rape can never be considered 'just plain old rape'.

I hope you both understand exactly what I mean by 'substandard'. It is in fact the height of 'substandardness' to make such a statement.

This was not statutory rape, this was, to quote the GOPers, real rape. She told him to stop, she still had her panties on, and he didn't. That's rape my little friend, plain old rape.

While it gives me pause to tell a mod what he is, I have little compunction to tell you, idiot:

Judge Lawrence Smukler said he rejects Labrie’s defense argument that the jury found the teenagers had consensual sex.

“This was not consensual. You did not take the time to get to know the victim to know how she reacts to various things,” Smukler said as he announced the sentence. “The very reason it is a crime is a child, someone under the age of consent, is not sufficiently mature to handle a sexual situation with an older person. She was in over her head and that was very clear.”

 

[JakeStarkey]

Teen sex should not be criminalized

Ths case was rightfully so.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Teen sex should not be criminalized

I don't agree with that. If you have a 14 year old daughter, for example, you want to know that the law is helping you in your effort to protect her from predators. 2 or 3 years most people understand, but what if it's a 19 year old seducing a 13 year old girl?

With that said however, I think a little jail time is fine, but the sex registry is over the top barbaric.

So if your 14 year old daughter shacks up with a 17 year old Junior it is OK, but if she shacks up with an 18 year old Senior it is a felony

Who said that? Oh, it was you.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Owen Labrie sentenced to a year in jail for prep school sex assault

With his once promising future at Harvard a shambles, a former New Hampshireprep school senior convicted of having sex with an underage girl as part of an unofficial school tradition was sentenced to a year in jail and probation.

Owen Labrie, now 20, faced a possible 11-year sentence for his conviction on three misdemeanor counts of sex with a 15-year-old and one felony count of using the internet to arrange a secret encounter on the campus of St Paul’s school in Concord, New Hampshire.

Labrie’s conviction for felony use of a computer also requires he register as a sex offender for life for sending the girl a “senior salute”, an old tradition on the bucolic campus where seniors in the waning days of high school ask underclassmen on a date.

Before he was sentenced, Labrie made the sign of the cross on his chest. He stood stock still while hearing he would go to prison. His mother wept.

Judge Lawrence Smukler said he rejects Labrie’s defense argument that the jury found the teenagers had consensual sex.

“This was not consensual. You did not take the time to get to know the victim to know how she reacts to various things,” Smukler said as he announced the sentence. “The very reason it is a crime is a child, someone under the age of consent, is not sufficiently mature to handle a sexual situation with an older person. She was in over her head and that was very clear.”

Prosecutors asked the judge to give Labrie three and a half to seven years in prison and undergo sex offender treatment.

Broke the law. Too bad so sad. Is a stupid law to be sure, but so long as stupid laws are in effect we have to obey them. Start pick and choosing or rationalizing our ignoring them and it's all over.

So when a pot smoker goes to prison for 25 years, you'll say exactly the same thing?

You won't?

If that's the penalty. Kinda think it isn't.

Law's the law. Rationalize ignoring it and pick n choose and there is no law at all. Wanna schtoop your SO but it's illegal that's that. Ignore the law and do it anyway better hope I'm not on the jury.

Hope he wasn't planning on studying law at Harvard.

Some laws are stupid and need to be changed or deemed unconstitutional.

Yes indeed. But until they're changed you don't get to ignore them.

Who's advocating ignoring the law? Did you lose track of what thread you're on?

 

[westwall]

He was convicted of a felony which is what is causing the sex offender registry.


>>>>

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/us/owen-labrie-st-pauls-school-sentencing.html?_r=0

Mr. Labrie, now 20, received concurrent sentences of a year in jail on three misdemeanors and another year on a fourth, which the judge suspended.

The judge also sentenced him to up to seven years in state prison on a felony conviction of using a computer to lure a minor, but suspended that sentence, too.

The trial jury’s acquittal of Mr. Labrie on the main rape charges, three counts of felony aggravated sexual assault, led his lawyer, J. W. Carney Jr., to refer during Thursday’s hearing to what his client and the girl had engaged in as “a consensual encounter between two teenagers.”

This is why sometimes I can't stand the law. The felony is for using a computer? not the actual act?

The jury nullified stat rape or he would have been in prison for 11 years. At least someone was looking out for him if not this Nazi judge.

In his case it was just plain old rape. When the girl says no, that's it, boys...

For once i agree 100% with you.

You're both 'substandard' {mod}. Statutory rape can never be considered 'just plain old rape'.

I hope you both understand exactly what I mean by 'substandard'. It is in fact the height of 'substandardness' to make such a statement.

It wasn't statutory. According to every bit of evidence I have seen it was rape pure and simple. Like I said the little asshole got off lucky and the poor girl no doubt is now set up for life and no longer needs to ever have to find a job. That's how the rich handle things. That or they just have their enemy killed.