PA Putting Election on Hold Is a Good Taste of Government Controlled Healthcare

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Yeah, US has the largest economy in the world and you have Venezuela.

Americans like to walk their dogs, not eat them.

Because of the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

 

[Billiejeens]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Yeah, US has the largest economy in the world and you have Venezuela.

Americans like to walk their dogs, not eat them.

Because of the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

I don't know where some of you attended school.

I just don't understand how there are so many people who do not know what is and what is not Socialism.
(not even if its' good or bad, just if you all knew what it was, debating good or bad would be so much more productive.)

That's right, attack me as opposed to my argument. It's all you have.

My Bad -
Your argument is a strawman argument -
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition. Straw man arguments have been used throughout history.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Yeah, US has the largest economy in the world and you have Venezuela.

Americans like to walk their dogs, not eat them.

Because of the socialist actions of the Federal Reserve.

I don't know where some of you attended school.

I just don't understand how there are so many people who do not know what is and what is not Socialism.
(not even if its' good or bad, just if you all knew what it was, debating good or bad would be so much more productive.)

That's right, attack me as opposed to my argument. It's all you have.

My Bad -
Your argument is a strawman argument -
The typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having completely refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition (i.e., "stand up a straw man") and the subsequent refutation of that false argument ("knock down a straw man") instead of the opponent's proposition. Straw man arguments have been used throughout history.

I can't refute your argument as you haven't made one. You've only attacked me. Please make an argument where bailing out failed businesses fit into capitalism.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

You are trolling. At least I hope so. Cause if you are this dumb.... damn.
You are correct it is not capitalism, but it is OBVIOUSLY not socialism either.
It is called corporatism. Basically a plutocracy where the elite corporations and investment banks rule the day.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

 

[Lesh]

Nothing is on hold.

Save the rhetoric

Count the votes

 

[Weatherman2020]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

You are trolling. At least I hope so. Cause if you are this dumb.... damn.
You are correct it is not capitalism, but it is OBVIOUSLY not socialism either.
It is called corporatism. Basically a plutocracy where the elite corporations and investment banks rule the day.

He’s a poster child of the failed education system. Never travels more than 5 miles from mommy’s basement but knows all about the world and how terrible America is.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Nothing is on hold.

Save the rhetoric

Count the votes

Vote counting is on hold, ignoramus.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

You are trolling. At least I hope so. Cause if you are this dumb.... damn.
You are correct it is not capitalism, but it is OBVIOUSLY not socialism either.
It is called corporatism. Basically a plutocracy where the elite corporations and investment banks rule the day.

Fine, it's not capitalism. I'll go with that argument.

But..............the only hitch is we are NOT paying for what we give away. Corporate farms are getting billions of dollars that they did not earn. I can't say it's other people's money because we are near 28 trillion in debt. Someone is going to have to pay for that.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

Naw, that is a perversion/corruption of capitalism. LOANING struggling companies money would be capitalism.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

You’re dumber than a brick.
Move to Venezuela, it’s bliss there.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

You’re dumber than a brick.
Move to Venezuela, it’s bliss there.

You are the one unable to answer simple questions.

Pretending things didn't happen doesn't mean they didn't.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

You’re dumber than a brick.
Move to Venezuela, it’s bliss there.

You are the one unable to answer simple questions.

Pretending things didn't happen doesn't mean they didn't.

Says the moron who condemns capitalism.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

You’re dumber than a brick.
Move to Venezuela, it’s bliss there.

You are the one unable to answer simple questions.

Pretending things didn't happen doesn't mean they didn't.

Says the moron who condemns capitalism.

I can not condemn what does not exist.

Besides, I'm condemning the bailing out of capitalism. Stop doing that and I have no argument.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

That, again, is not socialism. Not even close.
Socialism would be if all these companies were owned by the government.
Again, it is a corporatocracy.
And guess what President engaged in that plutocracy more than any other President in history? (basically trickle down economics) - and, of course, the Democrats to this day say it was the best thing to do. Of course if a republican president had done it - they would be screaming their heads off. You know... the same people who just elected an elderly man with dementia.

 

[pknopp]

The trillions that taxpayers have had to pay to bail out the banks/wall street is a sign of the failure of capitalism.

Seems fair.

Taxpayers didn't "have to" bail out anyone in order for capitalism to function properly. That was the decision of crooked politicians.

I agree they did not have to. They did though. Where would we be if there was no Federal Reserve and our ability to go into an incredible amount of debt?

Where would we be if we had done the right thing and allowed a large number of banks and businesses to fail?

Where would we be if we weren't handing corporate farms billions of dollars?

Where would we be indeed....

The governments job is the defense of the people. Thats it. I didn't need oil companies, gm, solyndra, and all the other scam bailouts to occur to be protected.
No company should ever be considered too large to fail. Can't sell seats on your airplane sell the fucking airplane and cut your payroll

What you think is irrelevant to what we do. You believe we should practice capitalism. Great. I won't argue that. I'm arguing what we actually do.

What i think IS RELEVANT. Thats why our election is still up in the air. Because of our voices.
But your defeatist attitude is noted.

I'm not discussing what people want. I am discussing what we actually do. We do not practice capitalism. You want us to and that is fine. We aren't going to.

Capitalism includes bailing out financial institutions occasionally, ignoramus.

No it doesn't. I will also note, we are bailing out far more than financial institutes.........auto manufacturers, airlines, corporate farms, medical, etc.

That, again, is not socialism. Not even close.
Socialism would be if all these companies were owned by the government.

Wrong, that's Communism.

Again, it is a corporatocracy.
And guess what President engaged in that plutocracy more than any other President in history? (basically trickle down economics) - and, of course, the Democrats to this day say it was the best thing to do. Of course if a republican president had done it - they would be screaming their heads off. You know... the same people who just elected an elderly man with dementia.

But in the end you agree with my overall bigger argument. We are not a capitalist country.

I condemned all presidents for doing it. I did not support and do not support Obama nor Trump (nor Biden or Hillary) because they are all the same.