Pacific Ocean waters absorbing heat 15 times faster over past 60 years than in past 1

[westwall]

Apparently you don't understand that AGW does not depend on any data. It's a given consequence of increasing atmospheric GHG concentrations. Which are a given consequence of fossil fuel burning.

So the question is not if it is happening. The question is given the dynamics of more energy here on earth, when will higher climactic temperatures restore energy balance?

Ahh I see so you are free to simply make up any thing you want that furthers your supposed theory. No evidence needed, no data, no facts, no science, just fabricate it from whole cloth and then present it as if it were true.

Do you need data to accept gravity? Momentum? Inertia? Do you have to have a textbook to heat water in your microwave?

Burning fossil fuels increases the concentration of atmospheric GHG concentrations. That increasingly restricts outgoing long wave radiation. The energy that cannot leave into space must warm the earth. It will until the surface temperatures restore energy balance. Eighth grade physics.

Yes. Science requires data that is measurable. Otherwise you could just as easily say that you adhere to the Earth because some god sucks you to the dirt. See how that works. Science is based on OBSERVATION AND MEASUREMENT.

If you can't do either you are dealing with religion bucko.

 

[westwall]

This Christmas you aren't going to get the truth that you want.

Eighth grade science has some inconvenient truths for you.

AGW is undeniable.

The IPCC is right and Rush Limbaugh is wrong.

The path to inevitable increased surface temperatures has only begun and how it will manifest itself is not predictable.

It will cost us plenty.

Fossil fuels will run out, oil first.

The timing of that is such that we have no time to spare getting prepared. The ever growing demand for ever shrinking supply will escalate the price per gal drastically as the curves cross.

What you, and everyone else, wish the truth was is simply not reality.

How do you reconcile Michael Mann's fraudulent and debunked "hockey stick" chart with the ice core data I posted which show natural cycles? Even at the very far right when CO2 is increased during the industrial age, temps flatten out. In fact we're likely on the verge of a long cooling.

Blaming CO2 for global climate cycles is like blaming smoke for fire.

AGW is a cult, a religion, and pure bunk based on faith and lies.

We also have MORE than enough natural gas and oil for the rest of this century and beyond IN AMERICA. I suspect that in several more decades we'll finally find a new way to fuel transportation, but in the mean time we're fine IF we're allowed access to those massive reserves.

BTW, oil and natural gas are about as organic and natural as a fuel can get. As long as it's burned as cleanly as possible, a great and very efficient source of energy!

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

So sayeth the scripture, so sayeth the LORD!



What a moron you are...

 

[PMZ]

The skeptics don't have anything besides the fact that surface temperatures stalled. The oceans make up 80% of our planet and the public is too damn stupid to realize how the climate system works.

Sure thing buddy! Let us know when the climatologists figure it out! The evidence shows that they went down the wrong path and are completely wrong with their theory of CO2 being the driver of climate.

They can't model clouds, they can't figure out how the oceans cycle warm and cold water, they can't model rain, they can't model albedo correctly, they can't model the water vapor in the atmosphere..... In other words they can't do shit.

And you want to give them all your money and live in abject poverty while all the while they laugh their way to the bank. what a fool...

The nature and specifics of GHG behavior with electromagnetic radiation is dead simple and precise at all scales from quantum to universal. To claim otherwise is pure politics and zero, no exaggeration, zero science.

 

[PMZ]

How do you reconcile Michael Mann's fraudulent and debunked "hockey stick" chart with the ice core data I posted which show natural cycles? Even at the very far right when CO2 is increased during the industrial age, temps flatten out. In fact we're likely on the verge of a long cooling.

Blaming CO2 for global climate cycles is like blaming smoke for fire.

AGW is a cult, a religion, and pure bunk based on faith and lies.

We also have MORE than enough natural gas and oil for the rest of this century and beyond IN AMERICA. I suspect that in several more decades we'll finally find a new way to fuel transportation, but in the mean time we're fine IF we're allowed access to those massive reserves.

BTW, oil and natural gas are about as organic and natural as a fuel can get. As long as it's burned as cleanly as possible, a great and very efficient source of energy!

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

So sayeth the scripture, so sayeth the LORD!



What a moron you are...

Science is truth. Being a control freak, even, doesn't give you any choice on that. You either know the science or you don't. You flunk.

Stick to the self centeredness of politics.

 

[westwall]

The skeptics don't have anything besides the fact that surface temperatures stalled. The oceans make up 80% of our planet and the public is too damn stupid to realize how the climate system works.

Sure thing buddy! Let us know when the climatologists figure it out! The evidence shows that they went down the wrong path and are completely wrong with their theory of CO2 being the driver of climate.

They can't model clouds, they can't figure out how the oceans cycle warm and cold water, they can't model rain, they can't model albedo correctly, they can't model the water vapor in the atmosphere..... In other words they can't do shit.

And you want to give them all your money and live in abject poverty while all the while they laugh their way to the bank. what a fool...

The nature and specifics of GHG behavior with electromagnetic radiation is dead simple and precise at all scales from quantum to universal. To claim otherwise is pure politics and zero, no exaggeration, zero science.

If it's so straightforward show us the MATH!

 

[westwall]

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

So sayeth the scripture, so sayeth the LORD!



What a moron you are...

Science is truth. Being a control freak, even, doesn't give you any choice on that. You either know the science or you don't. You flunk.

Stick to the self centeredness of politics.

WRONG! Religion concerns itself with "truth". Science concerns itself with FACT. Learn the difference brainless one.

 

[RollingThunder]

So sayeth the scripture, so sayeth the LORD!
What a moron you are...

Science is truth. Being a control freak, even, doesn't give you any choice on that. You either know the science or you don't. You flunk.

Stick to the self centeredness of politics.

WRONG! Religion concerns itself with "truth". Science concerns itself with FACT. Learn the difference brainless one.

LOLOL....that's a hoot!

You've made it completely obvious that you wouldn't be capable of recognizing either "truth" or "facts" if they bit you on the ass, walleyed. You're a deluded imbecile, lost in some insane fantasyland of lies, misinformation and fossil fuel industry propaganda.

 

[westwall]

Science is truth. Being a control freak, even, doesn't give you any choice on that. You either know the science or you don't. You flunk.

Stick to the self centeredness of politics.

WRONG! Religion concerns itself with "truth". Science concerns itself with FACT. Learn the difference brainless one.

LOLOL....that's a hoot!

You've made it completely obvious that you wouldn't be capable of recognizing either "truth" or "facts" if they bit you on the ass, walleyed. You're a deluded imbecile, lost in some insane fantasyland of lies, misinformation and fossil fuel industry propaganda.

No, it is patently obvious that you are a child. Philosophically, educationally, emotionally, and no doubt chronologically as well. You lack the impulse control of an adult, and you lack the cognitive ability of an adult.

I feel sorry that you are a hate filled, incompetent, individual and hope that someday you will seek the mental help that you so clearly need.

 

[tap4154]

This Christmas you aren't going to get the truth that you want.

Eighth grade science has some inconvenient truths for you.

AGW is undeniable.

The IPCC is right and Rush Limbaugh is wrong.

The path to inevitable increased surface temperatures has only begun and how it will manifest itself is not predictable.

It will cost us plenty.

Fossil fuels will run out, oil first.

The timing of that is such that we have no time to spare getting prepared. The ever growing demand for ever shrinking supply will escalate the price per gal drastically as the curves cross.

What you, and everyone else, wish the truth was is simply not reality.

How do you reconcile Michael Mann's fraudulent and debunked "hockey stick" chart with the ice core data I posted which show natural cycles? Even at the very far right when CO2 is increased during the industrial age, temps flatten out. In fact we're likely on the verge of a long cooling.

Blaming CO2 for global climate cycles is like blaming smoke for fire.

AGW is a cult, a religion, and pure bunk based on faith and lies.

We also have MORE than enough natural gas and oil for the rest of this century and beyond IN AMERICA. I suspect that in several more decades we'll finally find a new way to fuel transportation, but in the mean time we're fine IF we're allowed access to those massive reserves.

BTW, oil and natural gas are about as organic and natural as a fuel can get. As long as it's burned as cleanly as possible, a great and very efficient source of energy!

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

 

[flacaltenn]

How do you reconcile Michael Mann's fraudulent and debunked "hockey stick" chart with the ice core data I posted which show natural cycles? Even at the very far right when CO2 is increased during the industrial age, temps flatten out. In fact we're likely on the verge of a long cooling.

Blaming CO2 for global climate cycles is like blaming smoke for fire.

AGW is a cult, a religion, and pure bunk based on faith and lies.

We also have MORE than enough natural gas and oil for the rest of this century and beyond IN AMERICA. I suspect that in several more decades we'll finally find a new way to fuel transportation, but in the mean time we're fine IF we're allowed access to those massive reserves.

BTW, oil and natural gas are about as organic and natural as a fuel can get. As long as it's burned as cleanly as possible, a great and very efficient source of energy!

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the overlapping absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

 

[RollingThunder]

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the smaller absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

Your misunderstanding of science is even more retarded than you are, fecalhead.

Your Dunning-Kruger Effect inspired assumption that you understand atmospheric physics better than the entire world scientific community is even more retarded still.

Your moronic assertions about subjects that you have no actual knowledge of are just worthless bullshit.

You are a bad joke to anyone with any intelligence, education or actual understanding of climate science.

 

[Meister]

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the smaller absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

Your misunderstanding of science is even more retarded than you are, fecalhead.

Your Dunning-Kruger Effect inspired assumption that you understand atmospheric physics better than the entire world scientific community is even more retarded still.

Your moronic assertions about subjects that you have no actual knowledge of are just worthless bullshit.

You are a bad joke to anyone with any intelligence, education or actual understanding of climate science.

So says the self proclaimed genius.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the smaller absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

Your misunderstanding of science is even more retarded than you are, fecalhead.

Your Dunning-Kruger Effect inspired assumption that you understand atmospheric physics better than the entire world scientific community is even more retarded still.

Your moronic assertions about subjects that you have no actual knowledge of are just worthless bullshit.

You are a bad joke to anyone with any intelligence, education or actual understanding of climate science.

better than the entire world scientific community

Wow, you're deluded.

 

[flacaltenn]

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the smaller absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

Your misunderstanding of science is even more retarded than you are, fecalhead.

Your Dunning-Kruger Effect inspired assumption that you understand atmospheric physics better than the entire world scientific community is even more retarded still.

Your moronic assertions about subjects that you have no actual knowledge of are just worthless bullshit.

You are a bad joke to anyone with any intelligence, education or actual understanding of climate science.

If I say it in a public forum where I EXPECT anyone competent to correct me. You can be SURE that I understand it completely..

Unlike you, who is NOT that competent competition I'm looking for and has NOTHING to modify anything that I stated. Not much different between you and PMZ. Except that PMZ is more polite and actually makes a good approximation of a conversation..

((Don't get all swell headed troll -- you're still on ignore. But MAYBE your competition for that honor just got closer))

 

[tap4154]

The skeptics don't have anything besides the fact that surface temperatures stalled. The oceans make up 80% of our planet and the public is too damn stupid to realize how the climate system works.

Sure thing buddy! Let us know when the climatologists figure it out! The evidence shows that they went down the wrong path and are completely wrong with their theory of CO2 being the driver of climate.

They can't model clouds, they can't figure out how the oceans cycle warm and cold water, they can't model rain, they can't model albedo correctly, they can't model the water vapor in the atmosphere..... In other words they can't do shit.

And you want to give them all your money and live in abject poverty while all the while they laugh their way to the bank. what a fool...

The nature and specifics of GHG behavior with electromagnetic radiation is dead simple and precise at all scales from quantum to universal. To claim otherwise is pure politics and zero, no exaggeration, zero science.

Actually the combination of GH gases (water vapor being the largest in quantity by FAR), Sunspot cycles, Earth orbital cycles, rotational variances, ocean currents, air currents on and on is VERY complicated and no one on Earth has a grip on it all to date - and to claim otherwise is purely political, ignorant, and anti-science.

 

[orogenicman]

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the smaller absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

Your misunderstanding of science is even more retarded than you are, fecalhead.

Your Dunning-Kruger Effect inspired assumption that you understand atmospheric physics better than the entire world scientific community is even more retarded still.

Your moronic assertions about subjects that you have no actual knowledge of are just worthless bullshit.

You are a bad joke to anyone with any intelligence, education or actual understanding of climate science.

If I say it in a public forum where I EXPECT anyone competent to correct me. You can be SURE that I understand it completely..

Unlike you, who is NOT that competent competition I'm looking for and has NOTHING to modify anything that I stated. Not much different between you and PMZ. Except that PMZ is more polite and actually makes a good approximation of a conversation..

((Don't get all swell headed troll -- you're still on ignore. But MAYBE your competition for that honor just got closer))

If it is competent competition you are truly looking for, it seems to me that a public forum is the last place you would go looking for it.

 

[orogenicman]

Sure thing buddy! Let us know when the climatologists figure it out! The evidence shows that they went down the wrong path and are completely wrong with their theory of CO2 being the driver of climate.

They can't model clouds, they can't figure out how the oceans cycle warm and cold water, they can't model rain, they can't model albedo correctly, they can't model the water vapor in the atmosphere..... In other words they can't do shit.

And you want to give them all your money and live in abject poverty while all the while they laugh their way to the bank. what a fool...

The nature and specifics of GHG behavior with electromagnetic radiation is dead simple and precise at all scales from quantum to universal. To claim otherwise is pure politics and zero, no exaggeration, zero science.

Actually the combination of GH gases (water vapor being the largest in quantity by FAR), Sunspot cycles, Earth orbital cycles, rotational variances, ocean currents, air currents on and on is VERY complicated and no one on Earth has a grip on it all to date - and to claim otherwise is purely political, ignorant, and anti-science.

Argument from complexity. And not a very good one at that.

 

[orogenicman]

All that is in your post has nothing at all to do with AGW, which is an easy to understand and inevitable artifact of atmospheric GHG concentrations only.

Energy is accumulating on earth as a result. The more fossil fuel we burn, the higher those concentrations are, the more energy is accumulating.

That energy will be trapped here until higher surface and atmospheric temperatures force it by the GHGs and out into space.

How that excess energy behaves here will be manifest by changes in weather, ocean temperature and depth, and life.

Nobody knows on what schedule.

You remind me of a two-year-old trying to figure out something that is FAR beyond your comprehension. Or most likely just parroting what some other two-year-old told you...

I've tried to tell Junior (PMZ) that every atmos. physic textbook does the basic calculations for Earth surface warming due SOLELY to CO2. Assuming say a doubling from 250 to 500 ppm. It's a small number that gets even smaller when you factor in water vapor absorption eating into the overlapping absorption of CO2.

But that's not what he's defending and he doesn't really know it. There's a 4 or 6 times MIRACLE MULTIPLIER that's applied in AGW theory. And you have to hear the sermon and see the light to believe in that part..

Let's let him "keep it simple". He's happier that way...

Every time you make an argument from religiosity, you lose. Congratulations.

 

[tap4154]

The nature and specifics of GHG behavior with electromagnetic radiation is dead simple and precise at all scales from quantum to universal. To claim otherwise is pure politics and zero, no exaggeration, zero science.

Actually the combination of GH gases (water vapor being the largest in quantity by FAR), Sunspot cycles, Earth orbital cycles, rotational variances, ocean currents, air currents on and on is VERY complicated and no one on Earth has a grip on it all to date - and to claim otherwise is purely political, ignorant, and anti-science.

Argument from complexity. And not a very good one at that.

Just like the tides, global climate cycles on Earth have occurred from the very beginning, and always will occur. Perhaps in a "cleansing" role like the tides and seasons offer? So singling out one of the minor GH gases (CO2) as THE culprit, pretending that if we tax and trade it - or even somehow halt all anthropogenic CO2 -- we can alter climate cycles, is the MOST RETARDED FUCKING IDEA I've heard in my life!

 

[Old Rocks]

Actually the combination of GH gases (water vapor being the largest in quantity by FAR), Sunspot cycles, Earth orbital cycles, rotational variances, ocean currents, air currents on and on is VERY complicated and no one on Earth has a grip on it all to date - and to claim otherwise is purely political, ignorant, and anti-science.

Argument from complexity. And not a very good one at that.

Just like the tides, global climate cycles on Earth have occurred from the very beginning, and always will occur. Perhaps in a "cleansing" role like the tides and seasons offer? So singling out one of the minor GH gases (CO2) as THE culprit, pretending that if we tax and trade it - or even somehow halt all anthropogenic CO2 -- we can alter climate cycles, is the MOST RETARDED FUCKING IDEA I've heard in my life!

Sounds like the retard here is you. If fact, it appears as if ignorance is the only thing that you bring to the table. Flat, you have another peer on the board.