Palestine Today

[P F Tinmore]

Ahed Tamimi Court Case: "It''s not just Tamimi's trial, it's the trial of occupation"

 

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[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Free Children from the Death Cult.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ et al,

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals? Are the Arab Palestinians attempting to apply a different standard than is applied elsewhere in the Region? Well, "From 2005 through 2008, five countries - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan, and Yemen -were known to have executed juvenile offenders." (Human Rights Watch)(HRW) YES: it would seem that these countries all have something in common.

✪ SAUDI ARABIA: Committee on the Rights of the Child’s 73rd Pre-Sessional Working Group in February 2016. Submitted by the Child Rights International Network (CRIN) October 2015.​

Since the HRW comment mentioned Iran first, and since there is a continuing hostile relationship between the Iran

13. Regardless of the circumstances and nature of the crime, the use of the death penalty for crimes committed by persons under 18 years of age is explicitly prohibited by international human rights law, especially under article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and article 37 of the Convention on the Rights of Child. While the Islamic Republic of Iran is a State party to both those instruments, juvenile executions continue to occur regularly. No official data on children in conflict with the law, in particular those at risk of execution, are publicly available. Nonetheless, as at 2014, there were reportedly 160 juveniles at risk of execution (see A/HRC/28/26 , para. 14) and at least 13 juvenile offenders were reportedly executed in 2014 and 1in 2015 (see A/HRC/28/70, para.15). In commenting on the present report, the authorities stated that most of those executed were over 18 years of age when they committed the offences.​

Now, the constant role playing of the victim, on the part of the Arab Palestinians, merely trying to stir-up trouble and incite violence is what it is. But don't think for a moment that the aggressor nations and the Arab Palestinians (all of which are predominately Muslim in cultural morals) hold the high ground. They simply do not. Just looking at the picture of Ahed Tamimi, you can tell she is very much enjoying the celebrity status she has garnered. But, she is still a juvenile delinquent and is being handled accordingly.

Ask the question: If a 14 year old assaulted a Law Enforcement / Security Official in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt ⇒ what would have happened?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ et al,

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals? Are the Arab Palestinians attempting to apply a different standard than is applied elsewhere in the Region? Well, "From 2005 through 2008, five countries - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan, and Yemen -were known to have executed juvenile offenders." (Human Rights Watch)(HRW) YES: it would seem that these countries all have something in common.

✪ SAUDI ARABIA: Committee on the Rights of the Child’s 73rd Pre-Sessional Working Group in February 2016. Submitted by the Child Rights International Network (CRIN) October 2015.​

Since the HRW comment mentioned Iran first, and since there is a continuing hostile relationship between the Iran

13. Regardless of the circumstances and nature of the crime, the use of the death penalty for crimes committed by persons under 18 years of age is explicitly prohibited by international human rights law, especially under article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and article 37 of the Convention on the Rights of Child. While the Islamic Republic of Iran is a State party to both those instruments, juvenile executions continue to occur regularly. No official data on children in conflict with the law, in particular those at risk of execution, are publicly available. Nonetheless, as at 2014, there were reportedly 160 juveniles at risk of execution (see A/HRC/28/26 , para. 14) and at least 13 juvenile offenders were reportedly executed in 2014 and 1in 2015 (see A/HRC/28/70, para.15). In commenting on the present report, the authorities stated that most of those executed were over 18 years of age when they committed the offences.​

Now, the constant role playing of the victim, on the part of the Arab Palestinians, merely trying to stir-up trouble and incite violence is what it is. But don't think for a moment that the aggressor nations and the Arab Palestinians (all of which are predominately Muslim in cultural morals) hold the high ground. They simply do not. Just looking at the picture of Ahed Tamimi, you can tell she is very much enjoying the celebrity status she has garnered. But, she is still a juvenile delinquent and is being handled accordingly.

Ask the question: If a 14 year old assaulted a Law Enforcement / Security Official in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt ⇒ what would have happened?

Most Respectfully,
R

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals?

Good question.

Are there laws against attacking foreign troops in those countries?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ et al,

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals? Are the Arab Palestinians attempting to apply a different standard than is applied elsewhere in the Region? Well, "From 2005 through 2008, five countries - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan, and Yemen -were known to have executed juvenile offenders." (Human Rights Watch)(HRW) YES: it would seem that these countries all have something in common.

✪ SAUDI ARABIA: Committee on the Rights of the Child’s 73rd Pre-Sessional Working Group in February 2016. Submitted by the Child Rights International Network (CRIN) October 2015.​

Since the HRW comment mentioned Iran first, and since there is a continuing hostile relationship between the Iran

13. Regardless of the circumstances and nature of the crime, the use of the death penalty for crimes committed by persons under 18 years of age is explicitly prohibited by international human rights law, especially under article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and article 37 of the Convention on the Rights of Child. While the Islamic Republic of Iran is a State party to both those instruments, juvenile executions continue to occur regularly. No official data on children in conflict with the law, in particular those at risk of execution, are publicly available. Nonetheless, as at 2014, there were reportedly 160 juveniles at risk of execution (see A/HRC/28/26 , para. 14) and at least 13 juvenile offenders were reportedly executed in 2014 and 1in 2015 (see A/HRC/28/70, para.15). In commenting on the present report, the authorities stated that most of those executed were over 18 years of age when they committed the offences.​

Now, the constant role playing of the victim, on the part of the Arab Palestinians, merely trying to stir-up trouble and incite violence is what it is. But don't think for a moment that the aggressor nations and the Arab Palestinians (all of which are predominately Muslim in cultural morals) hold the high ground. They simply do not. Just looking at the picture of Ahed Tamimi, you can tell she is very much enjoying the celebrity status she has garnered. But, she is still a juvenile delinquent and is being handled accordingly.

Ask the question: If a 14 year old assaulted a Law Enforcement / Security Official in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt ⇒ what would have happened?

Most Respectfully,
R

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals?

Good question.

Are there laws against attacking foreign troops in those countries?

There is no "country of Pal'istan", therefore, your attempt at analogy crashes to the ground in flames.

Here's a thought: should there be a "country of Pal'istan" in the future, an attack aimed at Israel from that country would be an act of war and Israel would have every right to respond to that act of war without the limitations on retaliatory measures currently observed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http...snesLrayURD_cXrtneT1Q5ZH5AVI-sFj4O3SHAwWjPtnw

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ et al,

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals? Are the Arab Palestinians attempting to apply a different standard than is applied elsewhere in the Region? Well, "From 2005 through 2008, five countries - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Pakistan, and Yemen -were known to have executed juvenile offenders." (Human Rights Watch)(HRW) YES: it would seem that these countries all have something in common.

✪ SAUDI ARABIA: Committee on the Rights of the Child’s 73rd Pre-Sessional Working Group in February 2016. Submitted by the Child Rights International Network (CRIN) October 2015.​

Since the HRW comment mentioned Iran first, and since there is a continuing hostile relationship between the Iran

13. Regardless of the circumstances and nature of the crime, the use of the death penalty for crimes committed by persons under 18 years of age is explicitly prohibited by international human rights law, especially under article 6 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and article 37 of the Convention on the Rights of Child. While the Islamic Republic of Iran is a State party to both those instruments, juvenile executions continue to occur regularly. No official data on children in conflict with the law, in particular those at risk of execution, are publicly available. Nonetheless, as at 2014, there were reportedly 160 juveniles at risk of execution (see A/HRC/28/26 , para. 14) and at least 13 juvenile offenders were reportedly executed in 2014 and 1in 2015 (see A/HRC/28/70, para.15). In commenting on the present report, the authorities stated that most of those executed were over 18 years of age when they committed the offences.​

Now, the constant role playing of the victim, on the part of the Arab Palestinians, merely trying to stir-up trouble and incite violence is what it is. But don't think for a moment that the aggressor nations and the Arab Palestinians (all of which are predominately Muslim in cultural morals) hold the high ground. They simply do not. Just looking at the picture of Ahed Tamimi, you can tell she is very much enjoying the celebrity status she has garnered. But, she is still a juvenile delinquent and is being handled accordingly.

Ask the question: If a 14 year old assaulted a Law Enforcement / Security Official in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or Egypt ⇒ what would have happened?

Most Respectfully,
R

As we make this juvenile delinquent a celebrity, I often wonder if the Customary Law (how other Muslim countries) handle and process the detention and prosecution of child criminals?

Good question.

Are there laws against attacking foreign troops in those countries?

There is no "country of Pal'istan", therefore, your attempt at analogy crashes to the ground in flames.

Here's a thought: should there be a "country of Pal'istan" in the future, an attack aimed at Israel from that country would be an act of war and Israel would have every right to respond to that act of war without the limitations on retaliatory measures currently observed.

Links?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ et al,

Well, there is no such thing here.

You know as well as everyone else on the board, the the international law (universally) stipulates that:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty

ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]


Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 [ Link ] of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 [ Link ] and Article 65 [ Link ] may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.​

Good question.

Are there laws against attacking foreign troops in those countries?

(COMMENT)

Don't pull the old "we are allowed to commit crimes" routine. You're bringing tears to my eyes. Either you are under occupation law - or - domestic law. In either case (even in Muslim Countries) an assault on a Law Enforcement Officer - Security Officer, is a punishable offense.

Anyone, now matter who it is, that has a fiduciary responsibility and internationally recognized duty to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, is protected against abuse by criminal parties under occupation. The fact that the Arab Palestinians "don't get it" in an example of why they have not reached a point on sovereignty.

Just like the IHL says: Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ et al,

Well, there is no such thing here.

You know as well as everyone else on the board, the the international law (universally) stipulates that:

Convention (IV) relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War. Geneva, 12 August 1949.
Penal legislation. V. Penalties. Death penalty

ARTICLE 68 [ Link ]


Protected persons who commit an offence which is solely intended to harm the Occupying Power, but which does not constitute an attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration, nor a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations used by them, shall be liable to internment or simple imprisonment, provided the duration of such internment or imprisonment is proportionate to the offence committed. Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty. The courts provided for under Article 66 [ Link ] of the present Convention may at their discretion convert a sentence of imprisonment to one of internment for the same period.
The penal provisions promulgated by the Occupying Power in accordance with Articles 64 [ Link ] and Article 65 [ Link ] may impose the death penalty on a protected person only in cases where the person is guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power or of intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons, provided that such offences were punishable by death under the law of the occupied territory in force before the occupation began.
The death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person unless the attention of the court has been particularly called to the fact that since the accused is not a national of the Occupying Power, he is not bound to it by any duty of allegiance.
In any case, the death penalty may not be pronounced against a protected person who was under eighteen years of age at the time of the offence.​

Good question.

Are there laws against attacking foreign troops in those countries?

(COMMENT)

Don't pull the old "we are allowed to commit crimes" routine. You're bringing tears to my eyes. Either you are under occupation law - or - domestic law. In either case (even in Muslim Countries) an assault on a Law Enforcement Officer - Security Officer, is a punishable offense.

Anyone, now matter who it is, that has a fiduciary responsibility and internationally recognized duty to restore, and ensure, as far as possible, public order and safety, is protected against abuse by criminal parties under occupation. The fact that the Arab Palestinians "don't get it" in an example of why they have not reached a point on sovereignty.

Just like the IHL says: Furthermore, internment or imprisonment shall, for such offences, be the only measure adopted for depriving protected persons of liberty.

Most Respectfully,
R

Where does it say that self defense and resisting occupation is illegal?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Hollie]

Cowardly Moslem men use children to create a confrontation.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Cowardly Moslem men use children to create a confrontation.

Poor babies. Tissue?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There is no law pertaining to self-defense and resisting occupation; in the context of Ahed Tamimi. The International law essentially says that you cannot assault the Occupation Force without facing the consequence; that of prosecution.

That would be Article 68

Where does it say that self defense and resisting occupation is illegal?

(COMMENT)

The territory was occupied prior to the sole representatives of the West Bank Palestinians [the Palestine Liberation Organization {PLO)], Declared a Declaration of Independence. In fact, the West Bank was abandon by the Jordanians prior before the Declared a Declaration of Independence left in the hands of the Israeli Occupation.

The Arab Palestinians have yet to establish any kind of territorial control or sovereignty in any of the territory.

In fact, the Arab Palestinians have not established any type of government that covers the West Bank and Gaza Strip in its entirety.

People like Ahed Tamimi are just tools (not very good ones at that) to incite further violence.

The Arab Palestinians were never invaded by the Israelis. The Israelis occupied Sovereign Jordanian Territory; as established through the "Right of Se-Determination."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Palestine Today
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

There is no law pertaining to self-defense and resisting occupation; in the context of Ahed Tamimi. The International law essentially says that you cannot assault the Occupation Force without facing the consequence; that of prosecution.

That would be Article 68

Where does it say that self defense and resisting occupation is illegal?

(COMMENT)

The territory was occupied prior to the sole representatives of the West Bank Palestinians [the Palestine Liberation Organization {PLO)], Declared a Declaration of Independence. In fact, the West Bank was abandon by the Jordanians prior before the Declared a Declaration of Independence left in the hands of the Israeli Occupation.

The Arab Palestinians have yet to establish any kind of territorial control or sovereignty in any of the territory.

In fact, the Arab Palestinians have not established any type of government that covers the West Bank and Gaza Strip in its entirety.

People like Ahed Tamimi are just tools (not very good ones at that) to incite further violence.

The Arab Palestinians were never invaded by the Israelis. The Israelis occupied Sovereign Jordanian Territory; as established through the "Right of Se-Determination."

Most Respectfully,
R

Full of crap, as usual. Invading foreign troops.

 

[Hollie]

Cowardly Moslem men use children to create a confrontation.

Poor babies. Tissue?

Now that’s funny. An impotent wannabe who pushes teenage girls into dangerous situations. More of the attitudes that defines Moslems and how they despise women and especially young girls.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinian youth demonstrate in Nablus, demanding peace and calling for non-violent opposition to the occupation.

Palestinian youth in Nablus: ‘Unite and stop with the division’ | +972 Magazine

 

[Hollie]

Peaceful Islamic terrorist protests.