Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

This is a loaded question. It is like asking: “When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife?” Up and until The Seventh Arab Summit Conference (Rabat, Morocco 28 October 1974) there was no political body called "Palestinians." It was a regional colloquialism used by certain Arabs to distinguish themselves from other Arabs. Up until The Seventh Arab Summit, the Arab League through the Arab High Committee (AHC) represented those that called themselves "Palestinians."

So your question is only valid from a time beginning after 28 October 1974. when the Arab League established independent national authority (INA). The Arab League officially recognized the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.

As a result out of the proceedings of The Seventh Arab Summit the UN acknowledges the proclamation of the State of Palestine by the Palestine National Council on 15 November 1988; see A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine 15 December 1988.

The "borders" as outlined in Part II • Boundaries, of A/RES/181(II), have been overtaken by even, having been modified by various wars, international agreements, and treaties.
Did the Palestinians lose any wars or sign any of these treaties. Or, was it all done by external interference?
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The Israeli War of Independence (1948) was fought and the four Principle Parties (Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon and Syria) for the Arab League came to four separate agreements as outlined in my Posting of #2054.

Similarly, an independent national authority (INA) for the Palestinians did not exist during the period of the 1967 Six-Day War, or the 1973 Yom Kipper War. That would have made participation and relevance impossible. After 1974 when the Arab League established the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated.

So I ask you to remember: What "Palestinian territory that is liberated" since 1974?

Area "A" came under full civil and security control by the Palestinian Authority in 1995 was an outcome of the Oslo Accords.

The Gaza Strip became a self-governing Palestinian subdivision corresponding to an autonomous province under the Islamic Resistance Movement (HAMAS) as an outcome of the Israeli dismantling of all settlements in the Gaza Strip and a unilaterial disengagement in 2005.​

The PLO/Palestinian Authority (PLO/PA) has an on again, off again, relationship with HAMAS. The PLO/PA cannot say that it has sovereign control over Gaza. But, for all practical purposes, the PLO/PA has full right and power of a governing body to govern Area "A" without any external interference.



Most Respectfully,
R
You are ducking the question.

Did the Palestinians lose any wars or sign any of these treaties. Or, was it all done by external interference?​

Arabs-Moslems most recently lost a war in 2014. Well, maybe just another skirmish at the end of the most recent Hudna.

What governing body could have / would have been able to sign anything on behalf of the Arabs-Moslems occupying the land area called Palestine?
The answer is none, but you knew that.
 
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK → you want a child-like thumbnail answer → HERE:

You are ducking the question.

Did the Palestinians lose any wars or sign any of these treaties. Or, was it all done by external interference?​
(COMMENT)

◈ NO attempts to engage in hostilities.
◈ NO opponents.
◈ NO Territiorial Loses or detruction of entity property.
◈ NO abilities to make agreements.
◈ NO external influence over an entity that did not exist.​

For advanced explanations on a realistic level, see Postings 2070, 2074, 2077, and 2079.

Most Respectfully,
R
 
Did the Palestinians lose any wars or sign any of these treaties. Or, was it all done by external interference?

Well, so far, in the civil war between the Jewish Palestinians and the Arab Palestinians the Arab Palestinians have lost every single major conflict and most of the minor ones.

And of course the Arab Palestinians signed the Oslo Accords.
 
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RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK → you want a child-like thumbnail answer → HERE:

You are ducking the question.

Did the Palestinians lose any wars or sign any of these treaties. Or, was it all done by external interference?​
(COMMENT)

◈ NO attempts to engage in hostilities.
◈ NO opponents.
◈ NO Territiorial Loses or detruction of entity property.
◈ NO abilities to make agreements.
◈ NO external influence over an entity that did not exist.​

For advanced explanations on a realistic level, see Postings 2070, 2074, 2077, and 2079.

Most Respectfully,
R
WTF???? Just because you post a lot of stuff, does not mean that you have answered the question.
 
RE: Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

OK → you want a child-like thumbnail answer → HERE:

You are ducking the question.

Did the Palestinians lose any wars or sign any of these treaties. Or, was it all done by external interference?​
(COMMENT)

◈ NO attempts to engage in hostilities.
◈ NO opponents.
◈ NO Territiorial Loses or detruction of entity property.
◈ NO abilities to make agreements.
◈ NO external influence over an entity that did not exist.​

For advanced explanations on a realistic level, see Postings 2070, 2074, 2077, and 2079.

Most Respectfully,
R
WTF???? Just because you post a lot of stuff, does not mean that you have answered the question.

When you have trouble understanding the topic, raise your hand and ask a question.
 
Israeli security forces have recently noticed Hamas sending children as young as eight years old to the front lines of protests along the Gaza-Israel border, the Israel Defense Forces said on Thursday.

They have also lately heard unidentified operatives on loudspeakers promising children at the border NIS 300 ($83) if they get injured, the army said, confirming a previous unsourced report on the Kan public broadcaster.

(full article online)

IDF: Gaza children being promised NIS 300 ($83) if injured at border protests
 
Hamas officials said a 15-year-old boy was shot and killed and at least 30 others injured by live fire as thousands of Palestinians rioted along the Gaza border on Friday, throwing rocks and explosive devices at Israeli soldiers and trying to breach the fence.

The Hamas-run Gaza health ministry initially said the boy was 12, but later identified him as 15-year-old Yousef al-Dayya. They said he was shot in the chest and critically wounded. He later died of his injuries.

(full article online)

Palestinians say teen killed as thousands riot on Gaza border
 
Israeli security forces have recently noticed Hamas sending children as young as eight years old to the front lines of protests along the Gaza-Israel border, the Israel Defense Forces said on Thursday.

They have also lately heard unidentified operatives on loudspeakers promising children at the border NIS 300 ($83) if they get injured, the army said, confirming a previous unsourced report on the Kan public broadcaster.

(full article online)

IDF: Gaza children being promised NIS 300 ($83) if injured at border protests
F Hamas. I dont see how anyone can defend the way they are using children in this.
 
Israeli security forces have recently noticed Hamas sending children as young as eight years old to the front lines of protests along the Gaza-Israel border, the Israel Defense Forces said on Thursday.

They have also lately heard unidentified operatives on loudspeakers promising children at the border NIS 300 ($83) if they get injured, the army said, confirming a previous unsourced report on the Kan public broadcaster.

(full article online)

IDF: Gaza children being promised NIS 300 ($83) if injured at border protests
F Hamas. I dont see how anyone can defend the way they are using children in this.
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

Don’t let facts cloud the issue. Arabs-Moslems actually are burning tires, throwing stones, attacking with deadly weapons and attempting to breach the Israeli border.
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

And what was the Arab excuse for failure before Israel?
They had 500 years to plant and build, yet they've turned the place into a land of swamps, disease and total degradation.
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

Was that last of yours strictly necessary?
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

And what was the Arab excuse for failure before Israel?
They had 500 years to plant and build, yet they've turned the place into a land of swamps, disease and total degradation.
Who told you that?

Palestinians had to pay a 33% tax to the Ottoman Empire. That had a negative impact on their production growth. Even with that they produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries. They had a positive balance of trade.
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

And what was the Arab excuse for failure before Israel?
They had 500 years to plant and build, yet they've turned the place into a land of swamps, disease and total degradation.
Who told you that?

Palestinians had to pay a 33% tax to the Ottoman Empire. That had a negative impact on their production growth. Even with that they produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries. They had a positive balance of trade.

And during the dark ages there was trade as well, it was still degradation.
Land doesn't become infested with swamps and disease when people take care of it,
Arabs turned the place into the most abandoned and impoverished land in the Caliphate.

In fact Jews had to pay triple that under the Muslim rule, yet they've rebuilt cities, established new neighborhoods and dried swamps - Arab didn't care until then, didn't even build a single road.
 
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Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

And what was the Arab excuse for failure before Israel?
They had 500 years to plant and build, yet they've turned the place into a land of swamps, disease and total degradation.
Who told you that?

Palestinians had to pay a 33% tax to the Ottoman Empire. That had a negative impact on their production growth. Even with that they produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries. They had a positive balance of trade.

Palestinians in the Ottoman Empire?
 
Indeed, they should be planting trees and rebuilding the farms in the area.

And developing an economy. And repairing infrastructure. And building homes and hospitals and schools.

Why aren't they?
Good question. Perhaps they have acquired a different attitude living on the inside than outside observers.

They could have replanted the whole no go zone by now. That would be more fruitful than burning tires and throwing stones into the dirt. Israel would have no excuse to shoot people.

And what was the Arab excuse for failure before Israel?
They had 500 years to plant and build, yet they've turned the place into a land of swamps, disease and total degradation.
Who told you that?

Palestinians had to pay a 33% tax to the Ottoman Empire. That had a negative impact on their production growth. Even with that they produced a surplus of food that was exported to other countries. They had a positive balance of trade.

Palestinians in the Ottoman Empire?

Shhh...don't tell him it were the Jews who owned Gaza and managed the trade.

Don't tell him Palestine is a word in Hebrew, he might get upset and declare a day of rage,
be gentile with our Hamas bride.
 
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