Palestinians Massing At The Israeli Border

[Sixties Fan]

A wheat field in the Eshkol region of southern Israel that was scorched by a fire caused by a balloon-borne incendiary device launched from the Gaza Strip on March 28, 2019. (Eshkol Regional Council)

Throughout the day, several incendiary devices attached to balloons landed in the Eshkol and Sha’ar Hanegev regions of southern Israel.

In most cases, police sappers were called to defuse and remove the objects before they could spark fires.

But one of the balloon-borne arson devices apparently caused a blaze in a wheat field belonging to Kibbutz Ein Hashlosha in the Eshkol region.

The fire did not cause damage to the crops, an Eshkol spokesperson said, as the grain had been harvested early this year, specifically to prevent it being burned by incendiary devices from the Gaza Strip.

(full article online)

IDF strikes Gazans launching airborne arson devices into Israel, injuring 3

 

[Shusha]

Unarmed, peaceful protesters? Seriously? Your hatred for Jews is so ridiculous and blind that you can't even just tell the truth. Surely you must know the truth. But you sit down at your computer and type out these words that you know to be a blatant lie.

This is not a religious issue. Why are you trying to make it one?

Israel has maintained a brutal and inhuman occupation for the last 70 years making the Palestinian's life a daily hell and you're saying that is "false victimhood"?

My comment has nothing to do with religion. You are trying to deflect, as usual.

The point of my post, as it always is with you, is that you deliberately ignore and blatantly lie about the violence against Jews (which you label "Zionists") which is constantly vomiting out of Gaza and the "West Bank".

You are forced by your own internal Jew-hatred to believe that only the Jews are behaving badly and are "evil" and that Arab Palestinians must therefore by innocent victims and only "unarmed and peaceful". Your bias is so glaring and ridiculous, you don't see rockets (smuggled in through Gaza waters), grenades, guns, IEDs, firebombs, tunnels, exploding people, knives and cars used as weapons AS VIOLENT acts against a sovereign nation which is absolutely obligated to protect her citizens.

You foolishly demand that Arabs have "rights" to both sides of the coin: that Arab Palestinians are non-violent and peaceful and innocent victims, while also insisting that they have every right to arm themselves and attack Israel AND AT THE SAME TIME demand that Israel have "rights" to neither side of the coin: that Israeli Jews are exclusively violent and evil, while also insisting they have no rights to defend themselves.

Gaza is easy to solve. Israel abandoned Gaza to the Arabs. Unilaterally and completely. The border is clear and without dispute. There are water and electricity and trade agreements in place. There is nothing left to argue over. There is no more reason for any sort of conflict between Gaza and Israel. There is an active, effective government in place in Gaza. And scads of resources both internally and through international aide. The people and the government of Gaza can choose to build a State or they can choose to continue to be violent.

There have been 2000 violent, murderous attacks on Israel from Gaza. The idea that Israel has no right to defend herself from those attacks is abhorrent and disgusting. Of course, she does. She is obligated to protect her citizens from harm.

The falsehood that if Israel just had open borders with Gaza and permitted Gazans to fish, that the violence would cease can only be held by those who are so blind and deliberately ignorant that they can only imagine Arab Gazans as unarmed and peaceful, in absolute rejection of reality. And can only be held by those who are so blind with Jew-hate that they can only imagine Jews (sorry, Zionists the fake Jews) to be evil.

The Great March of Return, by its very name, is not a call to end the blockade. Its a demand to flood Israel with Arabs and restore exclusive Arab sovereignty to all of the territory. Using violence to "rip the hearts out of Jews".

Israel absolutely must not allow that to happen. And it won't.

 

[Hollie]

I'm thinking the important element for Hamas is to sacrifice more of the vacant minded gee-had wannabes for propaganda purposes.




Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

As Egypt scrambles to cement a truce, Netanyahu says he ordered the army to ready for an ‘extensive campaign’ in Gaza
By TOI STAFF and AGENCIESToday, 4:48 pm 1

 

[P F Tinmore]

I'm thinking the important element for Hamas is to sacrifice more of the vacant minded gee-had wannabes for propaganda purposes.




Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

As Egypt scrambles to cement a truce, Netanyahu says he ordered the army to ready for an ‘extensive campaign’ in Gaza
By TOI STAFF and AGENCIESToday, 4:48 pm 1

It is only going to be a one sided ceasefire anyway.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

I'm thinking the important element for Hamas is to sacrifice more of the vacant minded gee-had wannabes for propaganda purposes.




Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

As Egypt scrambles to cement a truce, Netanyahu says he ordered the army to ready for an ‘extensive campaign’ in Gaza
By TOI STAFF and AGENCIESToday, 4:48 pm 1

It is only going to be a one sided ceasefire anyway.

That's true! Israel will honor it while the thugs of Hamas will continue to throw rockets.

 

[Hollie]

I'm thinking the important element for Hamas is to sacrifice more of the vacant minded gee-had wannabes for propaganda purposes.




Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

Hamas says no ceasefire deal until after massive weekend protests

As Egypt scrambles to cement a truce, Netanyahu says he ordered the army to ready for an ‘extensive campaign’ in Gaza
By TOI STAFF and AGENCIESToday, 4:48 pm 1

It is only going to be a one sided ceasefire anyway.

It will. The Iranian Mullocrats will order their flunkies in Hamas or islamic gee-had to fire a missile and Israel will deliver another islamic terrorist beat-down.

Haniyeh can then declare a victory.... when he comes out of hiding.

 

[Shusha]

It is only going to be a one sided ceasefire anyway.

Riiiiiight. Because Israel started the "Great March of Return". Please.

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Hollie]

What's the slogan we hear from an identifiable few?

"Peaceful, unarmed protesters"


Three part harmony and pick up the chorus when it comes around.... here we go.....

Row, Row Row Your Boat....

 

[Billo_Really]

Like the Palestinians like the assholes that the Israelis elect.

And Netanfuckyou is one major asshole!

 

[Billo_Really]

Its no secret that Arabs-Moslems migrated to the area.

As usual, you're pointless.

If that was true, then who the fuck was Lord Balfour referring to when he said in the Balfour Declaration,

"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine."
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It wasn't the Dutch!

 

[Billo_Really]

Not deliberate. Friendly fire. And you're right--why would they? There's no motive.

It was deliberate. There is an audio of one of the Israeli fighter pilots telling his command it was an American ship.

 

[Billo_Really]

You and Tinmore have never been to Israel. They worship America and its culture over there. That's how I know they didn't do it deliberately.

That's because it wants that $3 billion in aid.

 

[Billo_Really]

Typical double standard of an . FUCK YOU !!

No. It's an attempt to hijack the thread and change the subject.

 

[Billo_Really]

My comment has nothing to do with religion. You are trying to deflect, as usual.

The point of my post, as it always is with you, is that you deliberately ignore and blatantly lie about the violence against Jews (which you label "Zionists") which is constantly vomiting out of Gaza and the "West Bank".

Zionism is not Judaism. One is a religion, the other is a political movement. Criticizing Israeli foreign policy has nothing to do with antisemitism. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Not all Jews support Israel. And the reason you keep pushing this bullshit mantra, is because you have no valid argument with which to defend Israeli atrocities against the Palestinian's.

You are forced by your own internal Jew-hatred to believe that only the Jews are behaving badly and are "evil" and that Arab Palestinians must therefore by innocent victims and only "unarmed and peaceful". Your bias is so glaring and ridiculous, you don't see rockets (smuggled in through Gaza waters), grenades, guns, IEDs, firebombs, tunnels, exploding people, knives and cars used as weapons AS VIOLENT acts against a sovereign nation which is absolutely obligated to protect her citizens.

I haven't said anything about Jews and you still can't tell me why I would hate them?

You foolishly demand that Arabs have "rights" to both sides of the coin: that Arab Palestinians are non-violent and peaceful and innocent victims, while also insisting that they have every right to arm themselves and attack Israel AND AT THE SAME TIME demand that Israel have "rights" to neither side of the coin: that Israeli Jews are exclusively violent and evil, while also insisting they have no rights to defend themselves.

Sorry, I didn't say that either. You're more interested in making up the opposing argument than you are addressing mine.

Gaza is easy to solve. Israel abandoned Gaza to the Arabs. Unilaterally and completely. The border is clear and without dispute. There are water and electricity and trade agreements in place. There is nothing left to argue over. There is no more reason for any sort of conflict between Gaza and Israel. There is an active, effective government in place in Gaza. And scads of resources both internally and through international aide. The people and the government of Gaza can choose to build a State or they can choose to continue to be violent.

If that was true, why do you shoot at their fishermen? Why do you make up this bullshit lie about smuggling? You can't even bring in humanitarian aid without the IDF attacking (and boarding) the ship. There is no smuggling going on, just fishing. Fishing you have no right to stop.

There have been 2000 violent, murderous attacks on Israel from Gaza. The idea that Israel has no right to defend herself from those attacks is abhorrent and disgusting. Of course, she does. She is obligated to protect her citizens from harm.

Since 2001, over 10,000 rockets have been launched, only 28 people killed. That's not a threat, that is a nuisance. And those rockets didn't start until 34 years after the occupation began. So yeah, you started it.

The falsehood that if Israel just had open borders with Gaza and permitted Gazans to fish, that the violence would cease can only be held by those who are so blind and deliberately ignorant that they can only imagine Arab Gazans as unarmed and peaceful, in absolute rejection of reality. And can only be held by those who are so blind with Jew-hate that they can only imagine Jews (sorry, Zionists the fake Jews) to be evil.

Gazan's fishing, is none of Israel's god-damn business!

The Great March of Return, by its very name, is not a call to end the blockade. Its a demand to flood Israel with Arabs and restore exclusive Arab sovereignty to all of the territory. Using violence to "rip the hearts out of Jews".

Israel absolutely must not allow that to happen. And it won't.

If you can come back after 3000 years, they can come back after 70.

 

[Mindful]

Attacks on Israel Condemned

ADL condemned rocket attacks from Gaza that struck Israeli civilian centers. ADL also condemned the terrorist attack on a soldier and civilians near Ariel, killing Sgt. Gal Keidan and Rabbi Ahiad Ettinger.

 

[Shusha]

Okay, let's dissect this piece by piece:

Piece one:

Zionism is not Judaism. One is a religion, the other is a political movement. Criticizing Israeli foreign policy has nothing to do with antisemitism. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Not all Jews support Israel.

1. Zionism is the expression of the Jewish peoples right to self-determination, sovereignty, and a homeland in, you know, their actual homeland. Sure. You want to call it a political movement, its a political movement. But it is a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) its ACTUAL EXISTENCE. In exactly the same way, the Arab Palestinian people (as distinct from the Jordanian people who already have these things) have a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) a WISH to have actual existence. You can't ask for the second without also granting the first. Unless you have special rules for Israel.

2. Thank you for admitting that Israel's actions with respect to Gaza are FOREIGN policy. I agree. The only policy which you seem to criticizing in this latest exchange between us is Israel's defending herself and her citizens against FOREIGN hostility and violence. Rejecting the idea that Israel has a right to defend herself from violence is. well, let's say ... problematic. Do you mean to say that Israel should be prevented from protecting her citizens from violence? Or that she should just permit it? Are you out of your mind?

3. True. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Just like all Gazans aren't Arabs. Oh....wait.

4. All PEOPLE, Jewish or not, support Israel's existence. Even you support Israel's existence, don't you? (As opposed to Tinmore and others). Not all people support Israel's government policies. I don't even support all of Israel's government policies. The policy of defending herself from violent, hostile people trying to cross the border and murder her citizens, though, I absolutely support. All decent people would.

Piece two:

If that was true, why do you shoot at their fishermen? Why do you make up this bullshit lie about smuggling? ... Since 2001, over 10,000 rockets have been launched, only 28 people killed. ...That's not a threat, that is a nuisance.

1. Ah, so we agree that there have been rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. (The number is closer to 20,000, btw). How do you think the people and government of Gaza obtained those rockets? I can think of only four ways: they were smuggled in through Israel; they were smuggled in through Egypt; they were smuggled in by sea; they were built on site from material imported. Where else would they get the rockets from? Do you disagree?

2. The POINT of the border controls and the sea blockade are to prevent Gaza's people and government from importing weapons or materials for weapons. Do you disagree?

3. What is the difference between a "threat" and a "nuisance"?. How many people does Israel have to allow to be murdered before it becomes a threat? How many have to die in Gaza before you consider Israel a threat? If your criteria is that "nuisances" do not warrant lethal force, even if peoples lives are taken, then how can the blockade and normal international border patrols, which have caused no deaths, be considered a cause for "self-defense" by the Gazans?

Piece three:

And those rockets didn't start until 34 years after the occupation began.

Those rockets started immediately after Israel ceded the territory to the Arab Gazans and ceased to have control over the territory. Indeed, self-determination and sovereignty was the CONDITION which permitted the foreign entity to begin attacking Israel.

If you can come back after 3000 years, they can come back after 70.

We agree on that point. The devil is in the details.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Okay, let's dissect this piece by piece:

Piece one:

Zionism is not Judaism. One is a religion, the other is a political movement. Criticizing Israeli foreign policy has nothing to do with antisemitism. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Not all Jews support Israel.

1. Zionism is the expression of the Jewish peoples right to self-determination, sovereignty, and a homeland in, you know, their actual homeland. Sure. You want to call it a political movement, its a political movement. But it is a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) its ACTUAL EXISTENCE. In exactly the same way, the Arab Palestinian people (as distinct from the Jordanian people who already have these things) have a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) a WISH to have actual existence. You can't ask for the second without also granting the first. Unless you have special rules for Israel.

2. Thank you for admitting that Israel's actions with respect to Gaza are FOREIGN policy. I agree. The only policy which you seem to criticizing in this latest exchange between us is Israel's defending herself and her citizens against FOREIGN hostility and violence. Rejecting the idea that Israel has a right to defend herself from violence is. well, let's say ... problematic. Do you mean to say that Israel should be prevented from protecting her citizens from violence? Or that she should just permit it? Are you out of your mind?

3. True. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Just like all Gazans aren't Arabs. Oh....wait.

4. All PEOPLE, Jewish or not, support Israel's existence. Even you support Israel's existence, don't you? (As opposed to Tinmore and others). Not all people support Israel's government policies. I don't even support all of Israel's government policies. The policy of defending herself from violent, hostile people trying to cross the border and murder her citizens, though, I absolutely support. All decent people would.

Piece two:

If that was true, why do you shoot at their fishermen? Why do you make up this bullshit lie about smuggling? ... Since 2001, over 10,000 rockets have been launched, only 28 people killed. ...That's not a threat, that is a nuisance.

1. Ah, so we agree that there have been rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. (The number is closer to 20,000, btw). How do you think the people and government of Gaza obtained those rockets? I can think of only four ways: they were smuggled in through Israel; they were smuggled in through Egypt; they were smuggled in by sea; they were built on site from material imported. Where else would they get the rockets from? Do you disagree?

2. The POINT of the border controls and the sea blockade are to prevent Gaza's people and government from importing weapons or materials for weapons. Do you disagree?

3. What is the difference between a "threat" and a "nuisance"?. How many people does Israel have to allow to be murdered before it becomes a threat? How many have to die in Gaza before you consider Israel a threat? If your criteria is that "nuisances" do not warrant lethal force, even if peoples lives are taken, then how can the blockade and normal international border patrols, which have caused no deaths, be considered a cause for "self-defense" by the Gazans?

Piece three:

And those rockets didn't start until 34 years after the occupation began.

Those rockets started immediately after Israel ceded the territory to the Arab Gazans and ceased to have control over the territory. Indeed, self-determination and sovereignty was the CONDITION which permitted the foreign entity to begin attacking Israel.

If you can come back after 3000 years, they can come back after 70.

We agree on that point. The devil is in the details.

So says Israel.

 

[Billo_Really]

Okay, let's dissect this piece by piece:

You really don't want to go down this road. For one thing, your mind is made up. You refuse to look at this objectively. Or humanely. Nothing I say, is going to bring humanity back to your soul.

However, since you asked, I will respond...

Piece one:

1. Zionism is the expression of the Jewish peoples right to self-determination, sovereignty, and a homeland in, you know, their actual homeland. Sure. You want to call it a political movement, its a political movement. But it is a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) its ACTUAL EXISTENCE. In exactly the same way, the Arab Palestinian people (as distinct from the Jordanian people who already have these things) have a political movement which is based on a) self-determination of a distinct peoples; b) liberation of peoples and sovereignty; c) a WISH to have actual existence. You can't ask for the second without also granting the first. Unless you have special rules for Israel.

Zionism is the political movement with the goal of creating the state of Israel. Judaism is a religion that has, among other things, the Three Oaths as one of its core beliefs. Zionism is in violation of these core beliefs, therefore, you cannot equate Zionism with Judaism. They are two completely different things. Just ask your own orthodox Jews.

2. Thank you for admitting that Israel's actions with respect to Gaza are FOREIGN policy. I agree. The only policy which you seem to criticizing in this latest exchange between us is Israel's defending herself and her citizens against FOREIGN hostility and violence. Rejecting the idea that Israel has a right to defend herself from violence is. well, let's say ... problematic. Do you mean to say that Israel should be prevented from protecting her citizens from violence? Or that she should just permit it? Are you out of your mind?

You cannot defend yourself when you are the one causing the violence. Can an assassin claim self defense if after breaking into the home of his target and the home owner puts up more resistance than anticipated?

3. True. Not all Israelis are Jewish. Just like all Gazans aren't Arabs. Oh....wait.

Then stop combining the two.

4. All PEOPLE, Jewish or not, support Israel's existence. Even you support Israel's existence, don't you? (As opposed to Tinmore and others). Not all people support Israel's government policies. I don't even support all of Israel's government policies. The policy of defending herself from violent, hostile people trying to cross the border and murder her citizens, though, I absolutely support. All decent people would.

I don't support Israel's existence. I think that point is moot and a really stupid issue to keep on arguing about. Israel exists. It's not going to not exist. Whether or not someone recognizes this, has nothing to do with anything. I will say this, you don't deserve a country.

Piece two:

1. Ah, so we agree that there have been rockets launched from Gaza into Israel. (The number is closer to 20,000, btw). How do you think the people and government of Gaza obtained those rockets? I can think of only four ways: they were smuggled in through Israel; they were smuggled in through Egypt; they were smuggled in by sea; they were built on site from material imported. Where else would they get the rockets from? Do you disagree?

I don't give a shit how they got them. They have every right in the world to defend themselves from foreign aggression. Israel is the aggressor. Not the defender.

Okay, so the number is over 20,000. So what. How many missiles and drone strikes have you launched into Gaza? You've killed thousands of them. They only killed 28 of you.

2. The POINT of the border controls and the sea blockade are to prevent Gaza's people and government from importing weapons or materials for weapons. Do you disagree?

You just can't stop peddling that bullshit. The blockade is because Israel didn't like the result of an election, but you make up this story to make it more palatable.

3. What is the difference between a "threat" and a "nuisance"?. How many people does Israel have to allow to be murdered before it becomes a threat? How many have to die in Gaza before you consider Israel a threat? If your criteria is that "nuisances" do not warrant lethal force, even if peoples lives are taken, then how can the blockade and normal international border patrols, which have caused no deaths, be considered a cause for "self-defense" by the Gazans?

Now you're just speaking gibberish.

Piece three:

Those rockets started immediately after Israel ceded the territory to the Arab Gazans and ceased to have control over the territory. Indeed, self-determination and sovereignty was the CONDITION which permitted the foreign entity to begin attacking Israel.

If Israel doesn't have control over that area, then why can't they leave? Why can't they fish and farm without getting shot at? Why can't a Gazan have a cigarette without being shot in the back of the head by an Israeli sniper?

Don't give me this crap about "ceased to have control"!

We agree on that point. The devil is in the details.

And you're the devil. Because God wouldn't say the shit you say.

 

[Linkiloo]

What's the slogan we hear from an identifiable few?

"Peaceful, unarmed protesters"


Three part harmony and pick up the chorus when it comes around.... here we go.....

Row, Row Row Your Boat....

The UN actually referred to it as poetry readings...lol