Pastor Calls Out Trump’s Bible Blasphemy In EXPLOSIVE Sermon

[jc456]

The evidence is in Trump’s very own words;

This is what Trump said on J6.

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN

He doesn’t have free speech like you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Funny how you baby-killers suddenly get religion

Trump is a baby killer but his white Christian nationalist base excuse his baby killing policy. Normal Christians don’t regard a woman’s choice to have an abortion to be baby killing.

 

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Trump is a baby killer but his white Christian nationalist base excuse his baby killing policy. Normal Christians don’t regard a woman’s choice to have an abortion to be baby killing.

Your post could be more mindless I guess. But it’s hard to see how.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

He doesn’t have free speech like you?

Trump used his freedom of speech to tell the world he activated a criminal plan to overturn the election he lost.

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN

 

[jc456]

Trump used his freedom of speech to tell the world he activated a criminal plan to overturn the election he lost.

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN

What was wrong with what he said? He was factually correct

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your post could be more mindless I guess.​

I notice you do not have facts to discuss with me.

A new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute hints at what could be a major swing in Latino Catholic views on abortion. According to this poll, 75 percent of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in “most or all cases,” up from 51 percent in a P.R.R.I. poll in 2010.​

Are Latino Catholics really becoming more pro-choice?​

A new poll found that 75 percent of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in “most or all cases.” But interviews with community and faith leaders suggest more nuance, and more ambivalence, among Latinos.​

www.americamagazine.org​

P.R.R.I. conducted the latest survey from June 24 to 26, immediately after the Supreme Court announced its reversal of Roe v. Wade. Overall, 65 percent of U.S. adults said abortion should be legal in most or all cases, up from 55 percent in 2010. The pollster also reported a major swing in support for abortion among Black Protestants: 75 percent supported abortion in most or all cases, up from 56 percent in 2010.​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

What was wrong with what he said? He was factually correct

If Pence didn’t count the certified Biden votes on Jan6 from Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and New Mexico which were the targeted states included in Trump‘s criminal conspiracy to overturn the election, Pence would have been committing fraud for the conspiracy,

The fraud was the Republican certified electors who declared that Trump/Pence, was the certified winner of the state. Pence knew that was not true so he refused to send the certifications back to the states as Trump said he was supposed to do.

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN​

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There was no state that wanted to recertify their election.

Trump was lying to you. The evidence is clear, but apparently you still believe that the states wanted to recertify their elections.

 

[BackAgain]

I notice you do not have facts to discuss with me.

A new survey from the Public Religion Research Institute hints at what could be a major swing in Latino Catholic views on abortion. According to this poll, 75 percent of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in “most or all cases,” up from 51 percent in a P.R.R.I. poll in 2010.​

Are Latino Catholics really becoming more pro-choice?​

A new poll found that 75 percent of Hispanic Catholics say abortion should be legal in “most or all cases.” But interviews with community and faith leaders suggest more nuance, and more ambivalence, among Latinos.​

www.americamagazine.org​

P.R.R.I. conducted the latest survey from June 24 to 26, immediately after the Supreme Court announced its reversal of Roe v. Wade. Overall, 65 percent of U.S. adults said abortion should be legal in most or all cases, up from 55 percent in 2010. The pollster also reported a major swing in support for abortion among Black Protestants: 75 percent supported abortion in most or all cases, up from 56 percent in 2010.​

Nah. You merely “notice” that I don’t deign to waste too much time on you ignorant morons.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your post could be more mindless I guess. But it’s hard to see how.

There used to be mostly normal Christians being neutral or pro/choice on abortion.

Please read this because you have no facts.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/21/life-conception-christian-theology-00147804

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In fact, within the lifetimes of many of today’s evangelical Christian believers, their churches either supported abortion rights or were neutral on it. In the 1960s and 1970s, Southern Baptists and other historically conservative Protestant denominations held that abortion was not only permissible, but also should be left to individual choice. In 1968, a group of evangelical leaders from a variety of denominations wrote in a document titled “A Protestant Affirmation on the Control of Human Reproduction” that they could not agree whether or not abortion is sinful outright, but they could agree “about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances.” They even argued that “the preservation of fetal life ... may have to be abandoned to maintain full and secure family life.”​

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A few years later in 1971, the Southern Baptist Convention issued a joint resolution calling for Southern Baptists “to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.”​

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This resolution was in accord with Baptist views on abortion at the time. As the Baptist Press, a news service affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention, wrote in 2015:​

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“Between 1965-68, abortion was referenced at least 85 times in popular magazines and scholarly journals, but no Baptist state paper mentioned abortion and no Baptist body took action related to the subject. ... In 1970, a poll conducted by the Baptist Sunday School Board found that 70 percent of Southern Baptist pastors supported abortion to protect the mental or physical health of the mother, 64 percent supported abortion in cases of fetal deformity and 71 percent in cases of rape. Three years later, a poll conducted by the Baptist Standard news journal found that 90 percent of Texas Baptists believed their state’s abortion laws were too restrictive.”​

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The famed evangelical theologian Norman Geisler put it in the clearest terms in the 1971 and 1975 versions of his work Christian Ethics: “The embryo is not fully human — it is an undeveloped person.”​

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It’s not Protestants, but Catholics in the United States who, as a religious community, have opposed abortion forcefully going back to the 19th century, and it is in Catholicism that we find the view that life begins at conception. Starting with an 1869 document called Apostolicae Sedis, Pope Pius IX declared the penalty of excommunication for abortions at any stage of pregnancy.​

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I don’t deign to waste too much time on you

You have no facts.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your post could be more mindless.

More reading fir you if you become I ‘n retested in facts:

The famed evangelical theologian Norman Geisler put it in the clearest terms in the 1971 and 1975 versions of his work Christian Ethics: “The embryo is not fully human — it is an undeveloped person.”

How Evangelicals Decided That Life Begins At Conception

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, evangelical Christians widely believed the Bible says life begins at birth and supported looser abortion policies. Given current evangelical anti-abortion activism, the reality and significance of this history deserves fuller discussion.

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In 1968, Christianity Today and the Christian Medical Society hosted a gathering of evangelical leaders from across the country for a symposium on birth control. The purpose was to set forth "the conservative or evangelical position within Protestantism" from scholars who "shared a common acceptance of the Bible as the final authority on moral issues." The joint statement resulting from the conference, titled "A Protestant Affirmation on the Control of Human Reproduction," included the consensus of attendees on abortion.

"Whether the performance of an induced abortion is sinful we are not agreed," it declared, "but about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances we are in accord." Circumstances justifying abortion included "family welfare, and social responsibility." "When principles conflict," they affirmed, "the preservation of fetal life ... may have to be abandoned to maintain full and secure family life."

In 1971, the Southern Baptist Convention agreed, in a joint resolution: "We call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother."

Dallas Theological Seminary professors also supported the cause. Bruce Wakte, writing in Christianity Today, drew on Exodus 21:22-24 to argue that "God does not regard the fetus as a soul, no matter how far gestation has progressed." His colleague Norman Geisler concurred: "The embryo is not fully human -- it is an undeveloped person."

And Robert P. Meye, currently a professor emeritus at Fuller Theological Seminary, insisted in Christianity Today that evangelicals "must reckon with the fact that there are those within the Christian community who can see no final offense in abortion when entered into responsibly by a woman in consultation with a physician."

In its response to my CNN op-ed, Galli argued these positions bear little resemblance to pro-choice views. Bruce Watke, he points out, thought that while the Old Testament teaches life begins at birth, it also gives the fetus significant moral value. And in the same 1968 Christianity Today, Galli notes, we find the claim that "the Christian answer to the control of human reproduction must be found principally in the prevention of conception, rather than the prevention of birth."

Galli's counter-argument implies that pro-choice Americans believe abortion, rather than contraception, should be the principal answer to the control of human reproduction. Just as wrongly, it suggests that pro-choice voters don't think the fetus has any moral value.

Evangelical views on abortion diverged in response to Roe v. Wade. Christianity Today condemned the decision in 1973 as counter to "the moral teachings of Christianity." The Baptist Press lauded Roe, declaring that "religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision."

Some evangelical leaders advanced the anti-abortion cause throughout the 1970s, all of them, no doubt, out of moral convictions that were sincere, even if poorly reasoned (writer Francis Schaeffer, for example, argued that legalized abortion represented an abandonment of the Judeo-Christian founding of the nation, even though abortion was legal when the nation was founded). Galli and Mohler say these were "wide spread [sic] and deeply held moral convictions." But the evangelical leaders who did oppose abortion after Roe complained the opposite was true.

In 1975, the Christian Action Coalition formed to mobilize lay evangelicals against abortion. Its founders quickly discovered that lay evangelicals weren't interested: "We really thought it wouldn't take much to get the general Christian community in the United States really upset about this issue. ... We thought, 'Once people realize what's going on, there will be spontaneous upheaval.' That didn't happen." Moody Monthly, an evangelical magazine, complained as late as 1980 that "Evangelicalism as a whole has uttered no real outcry. We've organized no protest. ... The Catholics have called abortion 'The Silent Holocaust.' The deeper horror is the silence of the evangelical."

And the founders of the evangelical right at the time, speaking of their movement's emergence in the mid-1970s, lamented that the evangelical community was was stubbornly apathetic on abortion. Paul Weyrich, for example, noted that "what galvanized the Christian community was not abortion, school prayer, or the [equal rights amendment]. ... I was trying to get [evangelicals] interested in those issues and I utterly failed." Ed Dobson, the right-hand man of Jerry Falwell, agreed: "The Religious New Right did not start because of a concern about abortion. ... I frankly do not remember abortion ever being mentioned as a reason why we ought to do something."

In 1980, Falwell used his unparalleled platform to change all that. Declaring that "[t]he Bible clearly teaches that life begins at conception," he allied with like-minded evangelicals to disseminate that interpretation across America. Falwell's assertion that this position was the obvious one in Scripture necessarily implied that the host of intelligent, pious evangelicals who came before him just didn't read their Bibles closely enough. It also made the Bible say the same thing his Catholic political allies believed (though Catholics believed it for other reasons).

Although this was politically convenient, Falwell's interpretations were just as much a product of his time as those of his evangelical predecessors. Late 1960s evangelicals were reacting against Catholics; early 1980s evangelicals were joining them. And as evangelicals moved from one historical context to another, "the biblical view on abortion" followed suit.

Why does it matter that what evangelical leaders say is "the biblical view on abortion" was not a widespread interpretation until about 30 years ago? For one thing, it's harder to argue the Bible clearly teaches something when the overwhelming majority of its past interpreters didn't read the Bible that way. For another, it illustrates that evangelical leaders are happy to defend creative reinterpretations of the Bible when it fits with a socially conservative worldview -- even while objecting to new interpretations of the Bible on, say, homosexuality, precisely because they are new. And for another, by looking at the history of how today's "biblical view on abortion" arose, one can begin to see the worldview that made it possible. In the process, it becomes apparent it is that unacknowledged worldview, and not the Bible, that evangelical opponents of abortion are actually defending.

 

[jc456]

If Pence didn’t count the certified Biden votes on Jan6 from Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and New Mexico which were the targeted states included in Trump‘s criminal conspiracy to overturn the election, Pence would have been committing fraud for the conspiracy,

The fraud was the Republican certified electors who declared that Trump/Pence, was the certified winner of the state. Pence knew that was not true so he refused to send the certifications back to the states as Trump said he was supposed to do.

“All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.” 21JAN06-DJT-jEASTMAN​

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There was no state that wanted to recertify their election.

Trump was lying to you. The evidence is clear, but apparently you still believe that the states wanted to recertify their elections.

No law says he can’t refuse the votes

 

[BackAgain]

There used to be mostly normal Christians being neutral or pro/choice on abortion.

Please read this because you have no facts.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/21/life-conception-christian-theology-00147804

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In fact, within the lifetimes of many of today’s evangelical Christian believers, their churches either supported abortion rights or were neutral on it. In the 1960s and 1970s, Southern Baptists and other historically conservative Protestant denominations held that abortion was not only permissible, but also should be left to individual choice. In 1968, a group of evangelical leaders from a variety of denominations wrote in a document titled “A Protestant Affirmation on the Control of Human Reproduction” that they could not agree whether or not abortion is sinful outright, but they could agree “about the necessity of it and permissibility for it under certain circumstances.” They even argued that “the preservation of fetal life ... may have to be abandoned to maintain full and secure family life.”​

​

A few years later in 1971, the Southern Baptist Convention issued a joint resolution calling for Southern Baptists “to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother.”​

​

This resolution was in accord with Baptist views on abortion at the time. As the Baptist Press, a news service affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention, wrote in 2015:​

​

“Between 1965-68, abortion was referenced at least 85 times in popular magazines and scholarly journals, but no Baptist state paper mentioned abortion and no Baptist body took action related to the subject. ... In 1970, a poll conducted by the Baptist Sunday School Board found that 70 percent of Southern Baptist pastors supported abortion to protect the mental or physical health of the mother, 64 percent supported abortion in cases of fetal deformity and 71 percent in cases of rape. Three years later, a poll conducted by the Baptist Standard news journal found that 90 percent of Texas Baptists believed their state’s abortion laws were too restrictive.”​

​

The famed evangelical theologian Norman Geisler put it in the clearest terms in the 1971 and 1975 versions of his work Christian Ethics: “The embryo is not fully human — it is an undeveloped person.”​

​

It’s not Protestants, but Catholics in the United States who, as a religious community, have opposed abortion forcefully going back to the 19th century, and it is in Catholicism that we find the view that life begins at conception. Starting with an 1869 document called Apostolicae Sedis, Pope Pius IX declared the penalty of excommunication for abortions at any stage of pregnancy.​

Verbose. Not intelligent.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No law says he can’t refuse the votes

Pence knew on Jan6 that Joe Biden had won the elections that were certified in Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and New Mexico.


So if Mike Pence refused the votes based upon the lie that Trump and Pence had won those seven states knowing full well they were certified to Biden, then Pence is committing fraud as part of the criminal conspiracy.

There are laws against committing fraud. You must know that..

 

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Pence knew on Jan6 that Joe Biden had won the elections that were certified in Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and New Mexico.


So if Mike Pence refused the votes based upon the lie that Trump and Pence had won those seven states knowing full well they were certified to Biden, then Pence is committing fraud as part of the criminal conspiracy.

There are laws against committing fraud. You must know that..

Zzz

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Verbose. Not intelligent.

It’s the historical and political and religious reality that you cannot allow into your mind so you’re making excuses like that

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Zzz

You are mentally lazy.

 

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It’s the historical and political and religious reality that you cannot allow into your mind so you’re making excuses like that

Nah. I’m just mocking you for your dishonest and unintelligent hack troll efforts.

And you keep providing ammo.

 

[surada]

Islam and catholicism are loonbat doctrines. One follows a prophet who climbed out of a well and married his underage kin. The other worships mary and seeks confession in front of another imperfect person.

Boy, are you ignorant.

 

[BackAgain]

You are mentally lazy.

Nah. i am merely exposing you as being the dishonest hack troll you continue to always be.

You probably don’t grasp that nobody with a brain buys your constant flow of bullshit.