Paul Krugman "hits the nail on the head" in re: Obamacare

[Stephanie]

Notice today, they have OScamcare belonging to everyone but The Dear Leader and his comrades in arms party, Democrat/Commies

can't blame them I guess, THE PEOPLE hate it

Too bad they are stuck with it, it has their Dear ones NAME on it....lol

 

[Listening]

Krugman is a puffed up ass hat who sits in his ivory tower pontificating what should be, yet has never produced a working model of anything he has advanced over the years, hence he is a hero of the political left. His head is what's been hit, several times I'm guessing.

Sorry?

What are you talking about?

Europe is filled with "working models" of what Krugman advocates for..

And to some extent, the US has "working models" as well. Medicare and SSI both work well.

Spain's unemployment rate is over 20% and has been for a long time.

Their youth unemployment rate is over 50%.

That model ain't working so well.

And of course...there is Sweden....the place that had the gaul to practice austerity and make it work.....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/the_swedish_model_government_austerity.html

Sallow, the dickweed....fails again.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

"I saw two people in a bar singing national songs. Spain is full of happy, healthy people! The NATO countries are in excellent mental and physical health!"

 

[Listening]

"I saw two people in a bar singing national songs. Spain is full of happy, healthy people! The NATO countries are in excellent mental and physical health!"

Yes,

And I know someone who has connections to Italy and they CLAIM that many Italians work three jobs just to make ends meet. They hate tourists because it reminds them of just how bad they have it.

But their quality of life is supposed to be great.

Do I trust my friends report ? Not sure.

 

[Sallow]

Krugman is a puffed up ass hat who sits in his ivory tower pontificating what should be, yet has never produced a working model of anything he has advanced over the years, hence he is a hero of the political left. His head is what's been hit, several times I'm guessing.

Sorry?

What are you talking about?

Europe is filled with "working models" of what Krugman advocates for..

And to some extent, the US has "working models" as well. Medicare and SSI both work well.

Spain's unemployment rate is over 20% and has been for a long time.

Their youth unemployment rate is over 50%.

That model ain't working so well.

And of course...there is Sweden....the place that had the gaul to practice austerity and make it work.....

Articles: The Swedish Model: Government Austerity

Sallow, the dickweed....fails again.

Fail what again, asswipe?

I've been to Europe. How'd you like it the last time you were there?

And Sweden's "austerity" is nothing like what you'd recognize.

Healthcare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unemployment benefits in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Welfare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you don't have in Sweden is a huge expensive military that conquers every country with oil underneath it.

 

[Listening]

Sorry?

What are you talking about?

Europe is filled with "working models" of what Krugman advocates for..

And to some extent, the US has "working models" as well. Medicare and SSI both work well.

Spain's unemployment rate is over 20% and has been for a long time.

Their youth unemployment rate is over 50%.

That model ain't working so well.

And of course...there is Sweden....the place that had the gaul to practice austerity and make it work.....

Articles: The Swedish Model: Government Austerity

Sallow, the dickweed....fails again.

Fail what again, asswipe?

I've been to Europe. How'd you like it the last time you were there?

And Sweden's "austerity" is nothing like what you'd recognize.

Healthcare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unemployment benefits in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Welfare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you don't have in Sweden is a huge expensive military that conquers every country with oil underneath it.

So you are saying Spain does not have the unemployment numbers I stated above ?

Or did you sidestep that on purpose ?

And Sweden has practiced austerity....sorry.

Making blanket claims against some unstated standard is what you do. Why don't you lay down your cards so we can show you what an idiot you really are.

All you need do is look around.

Here is another report from some unknown sources....

Italy has some bad problems, like the high cost of taxes, energies, houses, and a corrupted political class. A lot of family have economical problems and the situation is going worse. Also, the best graduated minds leave for US or other european countries, because Italy doesn't finance well research, and researchers and scientists are underpaid.

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Another great working model

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I've been to Europe plenty...and Asia....and Asia is in a much better trajectory.

But, I also work in a multi national company where we have Europeans who come over here to live and work. They love the idea of getting a house with a YARD and not being stuffed in an apartment with the rest of their countries population. They are in no hurry to go back.

 

[Sallow]

A typical disconnect between reality and perception there, of course.

"I saw two happy people sitting in an Irish Pub, four pints deep singing songs of their heritage. The NATO countries are full of happy, healthy people!"

It's the worst kind of pretzel logic one can possibly display. Krugman, of course, did the same thing as Shallow. He pontificates based on his own experience as if the entire world is viewing everything through his ignorant and short perception. Which, of course, makes him look like a fucking idiot. Not that this is a new revelation.

Feel free.

Show us one Libertarian country.

I'll give you all of history..

This is what I come up with:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi_wZMYY_PM]Irtokte Gun market in Mogadishu, Somalia - YouTube[/ame]

Totally Libertarian. An Ayn Rand paradise!

 

[Listening]

A typical disconnect between reality and perception there, of course.

"I saw two happy people sitting in an Irish Pub, four pints deep singing songs of their heritage. The NATO countries are full of happy, healthy people!"

It's the worst kind of pretzel logic one can possibly display. Krugman, of course, did the same thing as Shallow. He pontificates based on his own experience as if the entire world is viewing everything through his ignorant and short perception. Which, of course, makes him look like a fucking idiot. Not that this is a new revelation.

Feel free.

Show us one Libertarian country.

I'll give you all of history..

This is what I come up with:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi_wZMYY_PM]Irtokte Gun market in Mogadishu, Somalia - YouTube[/ame]

Totally Libertarian. An Ayn Rand paradise!

Yes, we've heard this little tidbit before.

No need to defend Ann.

The U.S. system works fine.

And Paul Krugman is an asshole. See the Youtube where he got his ass handed to him by some Canadians ?

Didn't think so.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

This reminds me of what liberals think of the free market system.
Despite that from the beginning of mankind and still true today - in every single society and nation on earth - to the degree that a society departs from a free market system - is the exact same degree of poverty in that society. And the nations that use the free system the most - have the best standards of living for the common man. Period.
Over the past 20 years, America is departing from the free market system into a corporate/oligarchy system...and guess what? The standard of living for the common man is in decline, and will continue to decline.
The same is true for healthcare - the further we depart from a free market system - the further the quality will decline.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Krugman is a very wise man:

Unacceptable Realities

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The hysteria over Obamacare is being well documented, of course; Sahil Kapur’s piece on “Obamacare McCarthyism” — the instant purging of any Republican who offers any hint of accommodation to the law of the land — is getting a lot of well-deserved attention. One thing Kapur doesn’t emphasize, however, is what I see a lot in my inbox (and in my reading): the furious insistence that nothing resembling a government guarantee of health insurance can possibly work.

That’s a curious belief to hold, given the fact that every other advanced country has such a guarantee, and that we ourselves have a 45-year-old single-payer system for seniors that has worked pretty well all this time. But nothing makes these people as angry as the suggestion that Obamacare might actually prove workable.

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That's an out and out lie.

everyday medicare declares people dead that aren't. And since it takes at least 3 months to prove you are not dead, they often end up dying anyway.

Thus proving he has no idea what he's talking about.

Not that you or any other liberal cares about the vast suffering you cause as long as you get the win.

 

[Listening]

This reminds me of what liberals think of the free market system.
Despite that from the beginning of mankind and still true today - in every single society and nation on earth - to the degree that a society departs from a free market system - is the exact same degree of poverty in that society. And the nations that use the free system the most - have the best standards of living for the common man. Period.
Over the past 20 years, America is departing from the free market system into a corporate/oligarchy system...and guess what? The standard of living for the common man is in decline, and will continue to decline.
The same is true for healthcare - the further we depart from a free market system - the further the quality will decline.

Not only that, but they cherry pick from the cycle.

America at it's worst and Europe at it's best.

Those wonderful European models.

I hope we don't bail them out of another war.

 

[Sallow]

Spain's unemployment rate is over 20% and has been for a long time.

Their youth unemployment rate is over 50%.

That model ain't working so well.

And of course...there is Sweden....the place that had the gaul to practice austerity and make it work.....

Articles: The Swedish Model: Government Austerity

Sallow, the dickweed....fails again.

Fail what again, asswipe?

I've been to Europe. How'd you like it the last time you were there?

And Sweden's "austerity" is nothing like what you'd recognize.

Healthcare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unemployment benefits in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Welfare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you don't have in Sweden is a huge expensive military that conquers every country with oil underneath it.

So you are saying Spain does not have the unemployment numbers I stated above ?

Or did you sidestep that on purpose ?

And Sweden has practiced austerity....sorry.

Side stepping what?

Spain fell into the same trap most of the world fell into..letting the bankers rule the roost.

That mortgage crisis was not local..it was world wide.

Sweden? STRICT REGULATIONS on banking.

About FI - Finansinspektionen
Swedish banks: Tips from an ageing model | The Economist

 

[Listening]

Fail what again, asswipe?

I've been to Europe. How'd you like it the last time you were there?

And Sweden's "austerity" is nothing like what you'd recognize.

Healthcare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unemployment benefits in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Welfare in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

What you don't have in Sweden is a huge expensive military that conquers every country with oil underneath it.

So you are saying Spain does not have the unemployment numbers I stated above ?

Or did you sidestep that on purpose ?

And Sweden has practiced austerity....sorry.

Side stepping what?

Spain fell into the same trap most of the world fell into..letting the bankers rule the roost.

That mortgage crisis was not local..it was world wide.

Sweden? STRICT REGULATIONS on banking.

About FI - Finansinspektionen
Swedish banks: Tips from an ageing model | The Economist

So this (Spain) isn't one your better working models I take it.

 

[Sallow]

A typical disconnect between reality and perception there, of course.

"I saw two happy people sitting in an Irish Pub, four pints deep singing songs of their heritage. The NATO countries are full of happy, healthy people!"

It's the worst kind of pretzel logic one can possibly display. Krugman, of course, did the same thing as Shallow. He pontificates based on his own experience as if the entire world is viewing everything through his ignorant and short perception. Which, of course, makes him look like a fucking idiot. Not that this is a new revelation.

Feel free.

Show us one Libertarian country.

I'll give you all of history..

This is what I come up with:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mi_wZMYY_PM]Irtokte Gun market in Mogadishu, Somalia - YouTube[/ame]

Totally Libertarian. An Ayn Rand paradise!

Yes, we've heard this little tidbit before.

No need to defend Ann.

The U.S. system works fine.

And Paul Krugman is an asshole. See the Youtube where he got his ass handed to him by some Canadians ?

Didn't think so.

The US is not Libertarian.

Never was.

 

[Listening]

Feel free.

Show us one Libertarian country.

I'll give you all of history..

This is what I come up with:

Irtokte Gun market in Mogadishu, Somalia - YouTube

Totally Libertarian. An Ayn Rand paradise!

Yes, we've heard this little tidbit before.

No need to defend Ann.

The U.S. system works fine.

And Paul Krugman is an asshole. See the Youtube where he got his ass handed to him by some Canadians ?

Didn't think so.

The US is not Libertarian.

Never was.

Thanks for admitting your original post was a strawman.

 

[Listening]

Oh..here is a good working model.

Greece.

Analysis: What's next for Greece's economy?

Economy shrunk 25%.

Here is my favorite line......

Yannis Ioannides, an economics professor at Tufts University outside Boston, says yes but believes the changes required to restore competitiveness have only just begun. He faults the government for weak leadership and putting the burden of adjustment on the poor instead of the rich, who for example, "are the biggest tax evaders."

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Just like our government. Obama only continues to make the rich richer.

 

[Sallow]

Yes, we've heard this little tidbit before.

No need to defend Ann.

The U.S. system works fine.

And Paul Krugman is an asshole. See the Youtube where he got his ass handed to him by some Canadians ?

Didn't think so.

The US is not Libertarian.

Never was.

Thanks for admitting your original post was a strawman.

Making up shit is what you do.

So there's no point in getting angry at this.

 

[Sallow]

Oh..here is a good working model.

Greece.

Analysis: What's next for Greece's economy?

Economy shrunk 25%.

Here is my favorite line......

Yannis Ioannides, an economics professor at Tufts University outside Boston, says yes but believes the changes required to restore competitiveness have only just begun. He faults the government for weak leadership and putting the burden of adjustment on the poor instead of the rich, who for example, "are the biggest tax evaders."

*******************

Just like our government. Obama only continues to make the rich richer.

Ever been to Greece?

Heck..ever been out of Mom's basement?

 

[Listening]

Oh..here is a good working model.

Greece.

Analysis: What's next for Greece's economy?

Economy shrunk 25%.

Here is my favorite line......

Yannis Ioannides, an economics professor at Tufts University outside Boston, says yes but believes the changes required to restore competitiveness have only just begun. He faults the government for weak leadership and putting the burden of adjustment on the poor instead of the rich, who for example, "are the biggest tax evaders."

*******************

Just like our government. Obama only continues to make the rich richer.

Ever been to Greece?

Heck..ever been out of Mom's basement?

That's your comeback ?

Really ?

Why don't you just run up the white flag ?

 

[tap4154]

One problem for you single-payer advocates: America is not socialist. Single-payer is fundamentally at odds with our Constitution and founding. Safety nets, yes, but not single-payer.

BTW the "Heritage Plan", which was only proposed as an alternative to Hillarycare, and ONLY urged folks to get catastrophic insurance. Not the comprehensive plans that the ACA mandates. It was actually designed to protect others from paying for your catastrophic illnesses, like states mandate minimum liability auto insurance to protect other drivers from accidents you cause.

It also wasn't a huge wealth-redistribution plan, as the ACA is. In fact, one quick fix for the ACA might be to change it to offer catastrophic plans, which it currently outlaws for most folks, and shift the subsidy mechanism for the poor to tax credits.

Don't blame Heritage for ObamaCare mandate ? USATODAY.com

But the version of the health insurance mandate Heritage and I supported in the 1990s had three critical features. First, it was not primarily intended to push people to obtain protection for their own good, but to protect others. Like auto damage liability insurance required in most states, our requirement focused on "catastrophic" costs — so hospitals and taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the expensive illness or accident of someone who did not buy insurance.

Second, we sought to induce people to buy coverage primarily through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher, financed in part by a fundamental reform of the tax treatment of health coverage, rather than by a stick.

And third, in the legislation we helped craft that ultimately became a preferred alternative to ClintonCare, the "mandate" was actually the loss of certain tax breaks for those not choosing to buy coverage, not a legal requirement.