Paul Krugman "hits the nail on the head" in re: Obamacare

[itfitzme]

President Obama was elected twice because of the particular phenomenon Obama is -- a blank screen upon which people could project their hopes and dreams -- and because of how much better he was at assembling a campaign team than he is at governing -- and because Republicans shot themselves in the foot on social issues. The last election was won by slogans like "vote like your pussy depends on it" with the help of wackos like Akin, Mourdock and Santorum, not because Americans were unhappy with their health care options.

He wasn't well enough known for most people to see how dishonest he is. And for some reason I still do not understand, people didn't care about his inexperience. His inexperience allowed him an out. He didn't have a widely known record. People had to be very committed to learning more about him or they never would have seen the warning signs about the kind of man they were electing. The media sure wasn't circulating the facts and he was very good at keeping his jersey clean.

Now, finally, he has enough experience to actually have a track record and finally people know how dishonest he is, but it's too late.

Health care was a pretty hotly debated issue in the election. John McCain was talking about getting rid of or taxing "Cadillac Insurance" and Obama was talking about single payer.

And if you aren't up with that, Republicans made ObamaCare a huge issue in the second election.

Seriously..are we living in the same country?

Obama didn't run on his Obamacare, it was about women's rights to do what they want with their vagina, remember? The media wouldn't touch on Obamacare during the cycle, it was more with Romney's dog on the roof of the car and just how rich Romney was.....that's what the media played up, remember?

Dude, the only news media conspiracy is that they report the stories that their audience wants to hear. It's true of Fox, it's true of NPR, it's true of every news outlet.

Is is called market demand and is part of the free market system.

What don't you get about the free market? No one is in control of it? That you can't concieve of?

 

[GreenBean]

Democrats are wailing about unemployment benefits being cut as part of the budget deal. I thought the President said the economy is improving --after all the unemployment rate is 7%. So if we're in sunny happy land, why do we still need unemployment benefits at 99 weeks, and a further extension? Could it be the economy isn't actually improving? Could it be unemployment isn't really 7 percent? Aww, c'mon progressive socialists, say it ain't so -- but then again, we do have a president who was awarded with the Lie of the Year. ...Allen West

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Free market? Where?

 

[Amelia]

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President Obama didn't get elected twice because Americans were happy with our healthcare system.

President Obama was elected twice because of the particular phenomenon Obama is -- a blank screen upon which people could project their hopes and dreams -- and because of how much better he was at assembling a campaign team than he is at governing -- and because Republicans shot themselves in the foot on social issues. The last election was won by slogans like "vote like your pussy depends on it" with the help of wackos like Akin, Mourdock and Santorum, not because Americans were unhappy with their health care options.

He wasn't well enough known for most people to see how dishonest he is. And for some reason I still do not understand, people didn't care about his inexperience. His inexperience allowed him an out. He didn't have a widely known record. People had to be very committed to learning more about him or they never would have seen the warning signs about the kind of man they were electing. The media sure wasn't circulating the facts and he was very good at keeping his jersey clean.

Now, finally, he has enough experience to actually have a track record and finally people know how dishonest he is, but it's too late.

Is that data from exit polls?

Exit poll interviews with voters point to three big reasons for Obama’s victory:

•First, despite a slim majority of voters thinking the country is on the wrong track, 54 percent approve of the way Obama is doing his job, and the electorate was almost exactly split on whether Obama or Romney would be better at handling the economy.

•Among the four voters in 10 who said they think economic conditions in the country are getting better, a huge majority, nearly nine out of ten, said they voted for Obama.

•Finally, a slight majority of voters voiced an unfavorable view of Romney personally, while a slight majority had a favorable view of Obama. On the attribute of whether the president or his GOP rival was “a candidate who cares about people like me” Obama had a massive lead over Romney.

Voters back Obama despite economic concerns, exit polls show - NBC Politics

You would have thought, after one four year term, the news media and voters would have finally seen some evidence of "for most people to see how dishonest he is."

When was it that the media finally stated reporting your "truth" of things?

In 2013. Where have you been?

 

[Stephanie]

People weren't happy with our health care, so they go and vote for a man and Party who has SCREWED them even more

Hope they liked being DUPED by voting the Savior they thought Obama was...A man who never held a real job since a lemonade stand when he was a child...and someone else set that up for him

 

[Dot Com]

what the repub-voting hive mind keep glossing over is that 85% +/- people have HC already through their employer. Why do they keep glossing over that fact?

 

[HenryBHough]

Let's talk about the percentage enjoying employer coverage when existing policies expire and are not renewed.

 

[Amelia]

what the repub-voting hive mind keep glossing over is that 85% +/- people have HC already through their employer. Why do they keep glossing over that fact?

Republicans don't gloss over that. Democrats do when they talk about how unhappy the nation supposedly was with their healthcare.

Zombies like you act like there was a huge swath of the country which was in dire straits with regard to healthcare, and now pretend that the number of people who are suffering from the ACA is negligible.

The number is already significant and we still haven't seen the extent of the damage the ACA will do. So many more shoes to drop when we catch up with the employer mandate cans the lying slimewad in chief kicked down the road when he saw the chickens starting to return to roost.

 

[Stephanie]

what the repub-voting hive mind keep glossing over is that 85% +/- people have HC already through their employer. Why do they keep glossing over that fact?

Republicans don't gloss over that. Democrats do when they talk about how unhappy the nation supposedly was with their healthcare.

Zombies like you act like there was a huge swath of the country which was in dire straits with regard to healthcare, and now pretend that the number of people who are suffering from the ACA is negligible.

The number is already significant and we still haven't seen the extent of the damage the ACA will do. So many more shoes to drop when we catch up with the employer mandate cans the lying slimewad in chief kicked down the road when he saw the chickens starting to return to roost.

Low information and brainwashed citizens in this country is what got us in this mess with Obama and his OScamcare...not sure it's going to get better either with their voting in the future, they can fall for a inexperienced fruad like obama

 

[dblack]

Why would single payer be at odds with the constitution and safety nets such as Social Security and Medicare not.?

Single payer would certainly be taking over an entire industry, where SS and medicare aren't.
apples and oranges

Having said that, after this debacle with Obamacare, I think that the single payer system, because of Obamacare has had a major setback with the American people. We have seen firsthand what can happen with a government run industry.

If Medicare is accepted as constitutional, I don't see why single payer wouldn't be?

Fundamentally it's no different. That's why a lot of people opposed programs like Medicare in the first place. They wondered, "Where does it stop?" If government is to be responsible for providing old people with health care, what prevents it from assuming responsibIlity for health care for everyone, and if government is responsible for health care, why not food, housing, clothing or any of the other necessities of life?

These people were labelled "alarmists" and their concerns dismissed as slippery-slope paranoia. But here we are, moving right on down that slope. So, let's ask again, where does it stop? Clearly, the question is legitimate.

 

[Listening]

The US is not Libertarian.

Never was.

Thanks for admitting your original post was a strawman.

Making up shit is what you do.

So there's no point in getting angry at this.

You can deflect all you want.

You can't look any more stupid so I guess you've got nothing to loose by trying.

 

[Listening]

it proves that Repubs were for it BEFORE they were against it (A Democrat puts it forward) Obamacare = Romneycare = Heritagecare. If anything, you insurance co apologists should be angry at Heritage.

No, dumbass...

It proves that Heritage wrote a white paper and got their asses reamed for it.

Let me clue you in on something......Heritage<>Republican.

Got it.

If we wanted Obamacare, we had six years to pass it. I am sure the demodorks would not have gotten in the way.

you still not "man up" & start a new acct after losing your wager. You promised to leave the board if 44 won reelection, which he did. Stop wasting my time son

Suck on it.

 

[Listening]

Because you have no principles. Thats why you support it.

The type of "support" I provide is fixing technology.

That's it.

So they didn't ask for your help on the website ?

 

[oreo]

Humana has called me twice to confirm my current policy--at $238.00 that they refer to as plan A. Plan B is Obamacare at $716.00. So twice I have confirmed plan A.

Apparently our HEALTH Dictator and Chief has now given me a one year PARDON on the plan I like aka plan A, after promising me over 40 times that I would be able to keep plan A, without exceptions or deadlines.

Welcome to your hope and change

 

[Listening]

This reminds me of what liberals think of the free market system.
Despite that from the beginning of mankind and still true today - in every single society and nation on earth - to the degree that a society departs from a free market system - is the exact same degree of poverty in that society. And the nations that use the free system the most - have the best standards of living for the common man. Period.
Over the past 20 years, America is departing from the free market system into a corporate/oligarchy system...and guess what? The standard of living for the common man is in decline, and will continue to decline.
The same is true for healthcare - the further we depart from a free market system - the further the quality will decline.

Wait, what?

What the fuck are you talking about.

Most of man's history has been populated with conservative forms of governance such as Monarchies, Aristocracies and Theocracies. The "Free Market" was a Liberal idea that was formulated as a rejection to the notion that all things belong to the chosen few. And it was formulated by the Merchant class that believed they should be able to determine how best to use their skills.

That, of course, was subject to it's own form of repression once many of the wealthier corporations discovered that banding together instead of competing was much more profitable. Hence the government began to regulate to keep the market "Free".

What you have seen over the last 20 years is a dismantling of regulations and a rise of people that conservatives have supported in this endeavor.

We are not talking about most of history. And to say that a monarchy is a conservative form of government requires that you define what conservative means. So, pray tell, please do.

And nobody has done more for corporations than the democratic party.

 

[Listening]

Oh..here is a good working model.

Greece.

Analysis: What's next for Greece's economy?

Economy shrunk 25%.

Here is my favorite line......

Yannis Ioannides, an economics professor at Tufts University outside Boston, says yes but believes the changes required to restore competitiveness have only just begun. He faults the government for weak leadership and putting the burden of adjustment on the poor instead of the rich, who for example, "are the biggest tax evaders."

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Just like our government. Obama only continues to make the rich richer.

Ever been to Greece?

Heck..ever been out of Mom's basement?

That's your comeback ?

Really ?

Why don't you just run up the white flag ?

Please, Swallow....

Tell us about what a great place Greece is. After all...

 

[oreo]

Ever been to Greece?

Heck..ever been out of Mom's basement?

That's your comeback ?

Really ?

Why don't you just run up the white flag ?

Please, Swallow....

Tell us about what a great place Greece is. After all...

They can't right now. They see the LIES right before they're eyes--the wallet factor hasn't hit them as yet--but it most certainly will. The THOUGHT of insuring every American in this country sounds great.

Their mouths were sloppy watering over it--their eyes tearing up over the magnificently well pronounced speeches given by Obama--yet they never saw it coming. THE COST TO THEM.

The "Lil Einstein Liberals--have always believed that health care should be FREE. And or that some rich guy was going to pay for it--for them. They never once understood nor even cared to understand the economics of it. Insuring an additional 40 million uninsured people.

Now their wallets will understand.

The typical Obama voter mindset--"he's a rock star," and they do not accelerate him nor hold him accountable for being the POTUS. Obama gets a pass on that.

Welcome to your hope and change

 

[Dot Com]

I see opinions and pretty pictures from the rw'ers in the thread. When are you people going to learn how to debate.

 

[Listening]

I see opinions and pretty pictures from the rw'ers in the thread. When are you people going to learn how to debate.

Please point us to your contributions that you would define as debate.

Moron.

Or are you saying Greece's economy has not severely contracted (by about 25%) ?

Or that Spain's unemployment rate among young people isn't over 50% ?

Those are opinions...got it.

 

[Dot Com]

Suck on it.

warrior102 is that you???.

The cons/teapartiers must be soo happy that you welched on your wager and returned to the board.

As to the OP, STILL only opinions from you people. Better you concede now than get MORE egg on your face